RyanR93WKU Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Anybody have guide that would convert number grades for matches to something similar to Melzer Star Ratings. I'm open for suggestions as I want it to be hard to get 5 stars. I'm running Impact for the save so most of my matches are around 20 to 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Only 100’s should be true 5 star matches. No real conversions needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Only 100’s should be true 5 star matches. No real conversions needed. I mean if you’re Kenny Omega anything over 85 seems to round up to 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave E Mac Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Christ imagine trying to calculate that whereby any match taking place in the Tokyo Dome has the potential to be 10 stars yet everything else is only rated up 5 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 <p>On topic... </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538585&highlight=star+rating+grades" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=538585&highlight=star+rating+grades</a></p><p> </p><p> That thread has links to some mods that should do the trick. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 ... When the news feed talks about a 5 star match, why not just see what that match's number/ letter grade was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecold Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Imagine how many random Raw matches with double dq or no contest finishes would get 5 stars in TEW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemicode Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Icecold" data-cite="Icecold" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46011" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Imagine how many random Raw matches with double dq or no contest finishes would get 5 stars in TEW...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> SOTBPW usually do this and that's why they constantly beat him in the National Battles. Why does this happen?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker1976 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Meltzers star rating in my mind has nothing to do with how matches are being rated in TEW. A 5 star match for Meltzer is always more about the match itself and not so much about the build up, heat, star rating etc. A good example is Hulk Hogan vs Andre at Wrestlemania III. Meltzer gave the match a -**** (minus four stars!) rating, whereas in TEW the match would definately get a 90+ rating with the equivalent build up and Hogans and Andres star power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icecold Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 SOTBPW usually do this and that's why they constantly beat him in the National Battles. Why does this happen? Should legit be a penalty for any non finish outside of a time limit draw... But in my 01 save that's now in 2010, perfect matches randomly happen on Raw all the time... Random ones like Scott Steiner Vs. Test of all people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LloydCross Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Some product settings do have such a penalty. This is where the two systems differ. The rating in TEW is how good the match is for your audience. Meltzer's star rating is how good the match is to that one guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Skywalker1976" data-cite="Skywalker1976" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46011" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Meltzers star rating in my mind has nothing to do with how matches are being rated in TEW. A 5 star match for Meltzer is always more about the match itself and not so much about the build up, heat, star rating etc.<p> </p><p> A good example is Hulk Hogan vs Andre at Wrestlemania III. Meltzer gave the match a -**** (minus four stars!) rating, whereas in TEW the match would definately get a 90+ rating with the equivalent build up and Hogans and Andres star power.</p></div></blockquote><p> This actually isn't true. Meltzer has said he takes build-up and story into account when rating a match. The buildup is the reason Cena and Punk got five stars in 2011 for that Money in the Bank match.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LloydCross" data-cite="LloydCross" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46011" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The rating in TEW is how good the match is for <em>your</em> audience. Meltzer's star rating is how good the match is to that one guy.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This really sums it all up. There's really no correct rating system simply because there's no objective way of determining what should constitute a perfect match. Everyone's definition of perfection is different and subjective.</p><p> </p><p> TEW's system isn't perfect, but I think it probably does a better job than any individual critic can possibly do. 100 points = 5 star or (A* = 5 star if you want to be lenient) in TEW is at least as good a criteria as any other existing system.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46011" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This actually isn't true. Meltzer has said he takes build-up and story into account when rating a match. The buildup is the reason Cena and Punk got five stars in 2011 for that Money in the Bank match.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't seen his take on this, but I find that really hard to believe. He may have meant that he takes the build into account <em>in relation to the psychology of the match</em>.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DutchMagpie Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I don't take Dave Meltzer serious at all. Wrestling is not only about the matches or how many flip flops some guy could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 <p>For the record, this is apparently Meltzer's rationale for assigning star ratings:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46011" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Briefly, a dud match is one without any redeeming social value. Five stars is for something stupendous. I may see eight or nine five star matches per year. A negative rating means not only was the match worthless, but obnoxiously bad. 0.5 is for a terrible match, but at least there was a high spot or something. 1 is a bad match, 1.5 is below average but tolerable; 2 average, 2.5 kind of good; 3 Quite good; 3.5 almost great; 4 excellent; 4.5 better than you can ask for. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He has also recently said that older 5* matches are likely to be a 4-4.5* now, just because the business moves on.</p><p> </p><p> -* is for an "obnoxiously bad" match, so anything between two workers who can't work and are probably unsafe, too. Those are going to be the single digit matches.</p><p> </p><p> 0-1.5* are terrible, bad, below average, so I guess 10-45% or so</p><p> </p><p> He says that 2* is average, so around the 50% mark, let's say with about a 5% margin either way.</p><p> </p><p> 2.5* is kind of good - say mid 50s-mid 60s</p><p> </p><p> 3* is quite good, so mid 60s-mid 70s kind of range</p><p> </p><p> 4* is excellent, high 70s-high 80s</p><p> </p><p> 4.5* is better than you can ask for, high 80s-high 90s.</p><p> </p><p> So a 5* match in TEW is a perfect 100. No disputing that, I feel; It's the only match grade that scores an A* if you're playing with the letter grades.</p><p> </p><p> But Meltzer's grades are based largely on match quality, and don't take worker overness into account. In WWE/SWF, for example, a decently over worker could never have a sub 50% match, but as we all know Meltzer doesn't grade matches on <em>product</em> - just in comparison to other matches he's seen.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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