The All Elite Wrestling Discussion Thread

[redwalrus]

All Out thoughts:

 

Britt Baker vs Big Swole: I thought the match was terrible. I wish AEW would stop doing the cinema gimmick matches.

 

Jurassic Express vs Young Bucks: this match was very good. It had a good back and forth pace. The Young Bucks had to win. You can’t keep talking about how great they are if they never win a big match.

 

Casino Battle Royal: Over all it was enjoyable. I liked the Darby/Cage/Starks interaction. Sonny Kiss taking out Hagar was a huge surprise. Even the little push they gave Will Hobbs was nice By having him last so long. I thought Lance Archer or the mystery person was going to win. Matt Sydal did not impress. My wife and I are finding ourselves rooting for Archer even though he is a heel. Look forward to seeing Moxley vs Archer.

 

Hardy vs Guevara: Another terrible gimmick match. The whole stop restart was lame. The worst part is they keep trying to clarify it later on in the show.

 

Shida vs Rosa: the match was awesome. The best women’s match so far.

 

Dark Order vs Natural Nightmares, Sky, Cardona: the match was awesome. Really happy (and surprised) at the finish. I thought the Dark Order was going to turn on Colt Cabana. Looking forward to Brodie vs Dustin.

 

Omega & Page vs FTR: I was not surprised at the outcome. Only surprise was I thought Tully would have interfered for the finish. Really enjoyed the match but I hope Omega doesn’t turn heel.

 

Jericho vs Cassidy: This gimmick match I actually enjoyed. After Cassidy gets this huge push I’m curious to see where it goes.

 

Moxley vs MJF: This match was awesome. I agree that MJF has the potential to be a World Champ but not right now. He reminds of a current Ric Flair with a lot more whine. The Moxley hurt arm gave the match a little more credibility that MJF could over come the size difference and win. Looking forward to Moxley vs Archer.

 

Overall I enjoyed the show I just wish they stop or rethink the gimmick matches. They don’t seem to work for a product that wants you to think the wins/loses matter.

[milamber]

Janela vs Serpentico and Silver & Reynolds vs Private Party - Both solid matches.

Swole vs Dr. Britt - Fun but limited match with a creative finish. There's only so much you can do in a small office.

Jurassic Express vs Young Bucks - Great match. It's incredible how smooth these guys are wrestling at such a quick pace.

Casino Battle Royale - Solid match but should have been better with the talent involved. Archer was a deserving winner. I was expecting Rusev. Shame Sydal botched.

Hardy vs Sammy - No rating for this car crash of a match. I couldn't tell if Matt was legit concussed or they were trying to sell it as a shoot fight until they rushed the finish. They should have set up that table better to avoid the concrete. Probably best just to end the feud.

Thunder Rosa vs Shida © - Great match. Shida's best in AEW. They need to sign Rosa to whatever deal they can.

Dark Order vs New Nightmare Family - Good match. Colt is on thin ice after the loss.

FTR vs Page & Omega © - 2nd best match. I hope the Omega/Bucks heel turn takes place on Dynamite.

Jericho vs OC - Good match.

MJF vs Moxley © - MOTN and a MOTY Contender. It totally overdelivered and I loved the finish.

 

Verdict: Good PPV overall. The big matches delivered but most of the gimmick matches were underwhelming. Red Carpet show was good. The Buy-In was a struggle to watch on Youtube because the bitrate was choppy and the audio out of sync.

[Questlove]

Joey Janela vs. Serpentico - kinda boring and extremely sloppy, very poor match

 

Private Party vs. 3 & 4 - really enjoyed this, John Silver is awesome

 

Britt Baker vs. Big Swole - thought this was really fun and don't understand the hate towards it at all. Neither of them are gonna have a classic match so this let them show off their strengths which is charisma and character work. Reba was absolute gold

 

Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express - probably the match I enjoyed the most live in the end, I thought it was fantastic. Jungle Boy continues to be great and Luchasaurus looked better than usual

 

Casino Battle Royale - just your basic battle royal really, I'm so glad Sydal is fine because I laughed hard at that SSP botch being his very first involvement in the company. I wanted Kingston to win but Texas Death 2 will be good

 

Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara - this was probably one of the worst matches I've ever seen and it affected the entire rest of the show. I can't even fathom why this was allowed to continue after that bump, that doctor has some serious questions to answer.

 

Hikaru Shida vs. Thunder Rosa - I had to rewatch this because I was completely distracted by the Matt Hardy incident, but this was excellent. I'd love to see Rosa stick around

 

8-man tag - thought this was totally forgettable, but I enjoyed the finish and Dustin is better than ever as usual

 

Hangman & Kenny vs. FTR - not quite as great as I hoped, but still fantastic. Very happy about this signalling the return of The Cleaner because that feud with Hangman could be an all-time great. This entire storyline has been A+

 

Orange Cassidy vs. Chris Jericho - this never really got going and was incredibly dull to me. Glad OC won.

 

Jon Moxley vs. MJF - I wasn't into this early on but it turned into a very good match by the end. Very impressed with MJF but it's not quite his time yet.

 

Solid show overall. The Hardy bump completely sucked the life out of the show watching live and the dead crowd detracted from basically everything, but given the humidity that wasn't really their fault. They have to make absolutely sure nothing like what happened to Matt happens again, that was awful.

[Self]

Where's the demand for all of these ridiculous bumps coming from? Matt playing with tables and chairs every week. Darby doing something dumb every time he's cleared to return from the last one. I didn't think AEW had the same bloodthirsty blood & guts fans as ECW did. I thought it was a more modern inclusive/it's just a show crowd.

[redwalrus]

Where's the demand for all of these ridiculous bumps coming from? Matt playing with tables and chairs every week. Darby doing something dumb every time he's cleared to return from the last one. I didn't think AEW had the same bloodthirsty blood & guts fans as ECW did. I thought it was a more modern inclusive/it's just a show crowd.

 

AEW product is all over the map. Originally it was the s as alternative to sports entertainment but at times there now SE. Originally there was no hardcore matches (they were only lights out) now I think every match is at least semi hardcore. They spend so much time outside the ring. They are not ECW but they like to flirt with it. The win/lose record is the best concept they got. I’m not always sure what there product really is. I wonder at times if they know what it is. I love AEW (it hit back to watching wrestling) I just wish it was less gimmicky & sports entertainment.

[CQI13]

And what was the big surprise promised? I read the results online and none of them made a reference to anything.

[Jaysin]

And what was the big surprise promised? I read the results online and none of them made a reference to anything.

 

Matt Sydal was the wild card entrant in the Casino Battle Royale and they announced Full Gear as their next ppv.

[Bestia Negra]

I loved FTR vs Hangman/Omega, also the aftermath. I'm not familiar with Omega's "cleaner"-gimmick, was he hinting at that after the match?

 

Moxley vs MJF was good too. Good finish. MJF as a heel is pure gold.

 

Rest of the card was meh to me.

- imo Ref Aubrey should've counted Hardy out when he was legit injured. Restarting the whole match was the worst thing they could do. If that's not the finish they want (which was obvious later) she should've told Sammy to stay down too so that the match ends with a draw and they can resolve this later.

 

- Random Joe McDoe is the last entrance of the Battle Royal and botches his very first move. Can't make this up. Archer winning was the only thing that made sense in this imo. Who's the black guy? The short bits of him I saw looked pretty good, can't remember seeing him on Dynamite before.

 

- Swole vs Britt was beyond terrible.

 

- Same goes for Jericho vs OC: stupid gimmick match, WWE would be (rightfully) bashed for sh!t like that. I don't like OC and his style of wrestling but if their goal was to get him over: yeah, at least they got that done.

 

- Rosa vs Shida was okay, Young Bucks vs Jurassic Express too. Nothing special but not bad. They really should look into signing Rosa if they haven't already, she'd be a great addition to the women's division.

 

- 8-man tag was pretty boring, the only good thing was the fantastic old school promo by Dustin afterwards.

 

 

I don't regret buying the PPV, FTR vs Hangman/Omega alone easily was worth it and - as I said - I liked the main event too.

[CQI13]

I loved FTR vs Hangman/Omega, also the aftermath. I'm not familiar with Omega's "cleaner"-gimmick, was he hinting at that after the match?

 

Moxley vs MJF was good too. Good finish. MJF as a heel is pure gold.

 

Rest of the card was meh to me.

- imo Ref Aubrey should've counted Hardy out when he was legit injured. Restarting the whole match was the worst thing they could do. If that's not the finish they want (which was obvious later) she should've told Sammy to stay down too so that the match ends with a draw and they can resolve this later.

 

- Random Joe McDoe is the last entrance of the Battle Royal and botches his very first move. Can't make this up. Archer winning was the only thing that made sense in this imo. Who's the black guy? The short bits of him I saw looked pretty good, can't remember seeing him on Dynamite before.

 

- Swole vs Britt was beyond terrible.

 

- Same goes for Jericho vs OC: stupid gimmick match, WWE would be (rightfully) bashed for sh!t like that. I don't like OC and his style of wrestling but if their goal was to get him over: yeah, at least they got that done.

 

- Rosa vs Shida was okay, Young Bucks vs Jurassic Express too. Nothing special but not bad. They really should look into signing Rosa if they haven't already, she'd be a great addition to the women's division.

 

- 8-man tag was pretty boring, the only good thing was the fantastic old school promo by Dustin afterwards.

 

 

I don't regret buying the PPV, FTR vs Hangman/Omega alone easily was worth it and - as I said - I liked the main event too.

 

On the Hardy situation, the only reason the match didn't end there is because of the stipulation. Agreed that when the ref went to check on Sammy she could have told him to stay down.

 

Omega was in fact hinting at The Cleaner gimmick. Not familiar with it, but apparently hinted at it during Being The Elite leading up to the PPV as well.

 

The mimosa match doesn't get (rightfully) crucified because people like the participants. Remember Sami's RAW debut against Cena in the open challenge? He hurt his shoulder during the entrance doing those goofy arm gyrations he does. Someone else would have had their debut marred by that. Sami? "Oh he's so tough...he wrestled a pretty good match having just injured himself." Maybe, but getting hurt during your entrance should still be kicked.

[BlueStar]

<p>Great event....still can't be bothered with watching the (old) Bucks or Omega. Spot after spot...it's the same all over. Matt Hardy is going the same way. (So is Jeff in WWE, can't understand that he's being pushed there). </p><p> </p><p>

A year ago I said Jericho was overweight en probably out of date (Manic Street Preacher quote)....Jericho has done more re-invention (again) than Bucks, Omega, Hardy, Brody Lee....anyone still caring a bit about the Hangman (I'm not)? Oh, Moxley is still the champ...almost forgotten him.</p>

[Jaysin]

<p>Brodie Lee is a completely different character than Luke Harper ever was. So not sure how he didn't reinvent himself.</p><p> </p><p>

Young Bucks and Omega have been slowly changing their characters for months.</p><p> </p><p>

Sounds like you just don't enjoy the show and in that case why do you even watch it? I'll never understand people who continue watching things they don't like</p>

[CQI13]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Sounds like you just don't enjoy the show and in that case why do you even watch it? I'll never understand people who continue watching things they don't like</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The majority of the internet?!?!</p><p> </p><p> I know it wasn't aimed at me, just found that funny.</p><p> </p><p> In fact, I agree with the sentiment. I would give AEW a chance but I don't have cable, and not dropping money on a PPV. I will watch clips, follow results, and reviews. From the sounds of it, people are digging Hangman.</p>

[BHK1978]

Brodie Lee is a completely different character than Luke Harper ever was. So not sure how he didn't reinvent himself.

 

Young Bucks and Omega have been slowly changing their characters for months.

 

Sounds like you just don't enjoy the show and in that case why do you even watch it? I'll never understand people who continue watching things they don't like

 

I cannot speak for anyone else but I will check the show out from time to time to see if anything has improved. There are elements that I like about the show and there are elements that I do not like. Personally, I will never like Kenny Omega and the Bucks. Orange Cassidy is a novelty act to me.

 

What I do find interesting is that AEW fans (Not all obviously, I am not trying to paint with a broad brush here) get very offended over even the slightest criticism of the product. I am not sure why that is the case but I am not the only one to point that out. On another site that I frequent, there are a lot of people who have brought that up.

 

I used to love TNA but I never got triggered when people talked trash about it because at the end of the day there was a lot of crappy stuff that went on in TNA. Hell, I bashed TNA as well, I used to fast forward any time I would see any segment with Hogan in it.

 

The same goes for WCW. I was loyal to the end but even I knew a good portion of what was going on was just not very good.

 

If you look at this thread or any thread regarding AEW on the internet, you would think AEW is the best promotion that was ever around. Anyone who has even the mildest form of criticism of the promotion is shouted down by the AEW drones.

 

One of my friends is exactly like this when it comes to AEW. I will say I liked this about the show, that about the show, but you know I could use a less of x on the show. My buddy will flip out, "How could you not like X? He is so innovating, you're just stuck in the past."

[milamber]

Shorter Dark this week. Jay, Starks, Hobbs and Angelico all looked good. Garrison did some nice selling. Ben Carter from GCW had an impressive debut.

[Jaysin]

Rusev!!!!!!!

[milamber]

- LOL at the cold open with Jericho and MJF.

- Lucha Bros vs Jurassic Express was good. Incredible chokeslam from Luchasaurus. Didn't expect Lucha Bros to lose. Kingston dissing PAC and Allie lol.

- I like Archer but I hope he doesn't beat Mox. Thank goodness the Hardy/Sammy feud has ended and Matt isn't rushing back to wrestle.

- Angelico vs Cassidy was good but a bit short. Nice to see Angelico finally get to show off his skills.

- Heel Bucks. Handsome Miro!!! After the 2 fakeouts I thought it would be something stupid like Kip's dog LOL.

- Kiss & Janela vs was Jericho & Hager (No DQ) was good. Kiss impressed the most.

- MJF handles Wardlow's contract? I guess that's one way to hold off on the turn. Also explains why he hardly wrestles.

- Say yeah! Strong diss game from FTR. Ricky on both shows every week!

- Conti vs Nyla was good. Shida out but no Anna Jay... Poor Hangman thinks he and Kenny are still a tag team.

- Dustin vs Brodie © was great. Only having Silver out there was a creative way of showing how little Brodie thinks of Dustin. Colt's still in the doghouse.

 

Good show. The crowd sounded more lively.

[cappyboy]

- LOL at the cold open with Jericho and MJF.

 

Oh no doubt. Two masters of the game playing off each other. Hard to argue with that as an opening.

 

- Lucha Bros vs Jurassic Express was good. Incredible chokeslam from Luchasaurus. Didn't expect Lucha Bros to lose.

 

Very much enjoyed this match. That chokeslam was a mindblower and the outcome a legit surprise. Not to mention the brotherly strife between Penta and Rey. But such a great showcase for what makes Kingston the addition he is. Being able to be the badass tough guy and still respect the value of family is not a blend you see too many people even attempt. Kingston makes it feel natural.

 

Kingston dissing PAC and Allie lol.

 

Oh indeed. I especially liked the barb directed at Allie. I have yet to understand the in-character logic of why she is no longer with Butcher & Blade. Some of the Nightmare Sisters stuff has been good but the Robin Green/Rick Steiner style romance with QT Marshall should have paid off ages ago if it were going to. Really feels like that should have been done with someone else. Anna Jay breaking QT's heart being her entree into The Dark Order for example.

 

- I like Archer but I hope he doesn't beat Mox.

 

I get the feeling that's not the plan. Love Archer and his intensity but that promo gave me the feeling he's so convinced of his own dominance he can't respect another's. Moxley may not have Archer's size and power. But his attitude and approach are so similiar to Archer's that I can see failing to recognize that being the Murderhawk's downfall.

 

Thank goodness the Hardy/Sammy feud has ended and Matt isn't rushing back to wrestle.

 

Indeed. Even just hearing about what happened second hand was enough to make one fearful for Matt's well-being. Only smart to let the guy take care of himself and reload when he's good to go. You don't want an asset like him being lost to you forever because you lead him to a career ending, potentially paralyzing injury. We don't need any more Dynamite Kids in the 21st century.

 

- Angelico vs Cassidy was good but a bit short. Nice to see Angelico finally get to show off his skills.

 

Indeed. Being on Dark is one thing but The Hybrid 2 are both guys you would think would be on Dynamite more often if you looked at this roster on paper.

 

- Heel Bucks.

 

Should be interesting. Been ages since the last time I saw them heel and IIRC they were more cocky heels than angry ones back then.

 

Handsome Miro!!! After the 2 fakeouts I thought it would be something stupid like Kip's dog LOL.

 

Man did this segment kill itself off quickly for me. The first fakeout was kind of fun. But what idiot thought that Brian Pillman Jr should be the second one? They had the chance to spark a new feud and give a very talented performer his basic cable coming out party to a wider more average bear audience and they threw it away. When I look at the guys who've come here from MLW and look at how Pillman's been used, something just feels terribly out of whack. The rocket already on MJF's back has been upgraded and given higher grade fuel. Sammy's been saved from the shuffle and rocketed in his own right. The Lucha Bros have hyped as serious assets since Day 1. And then there's Pillman. I think of all the story Pillman got with mega stars of the sport in ML Dub. Kevin Sullivan. Low Ki. The next gen Hart Foundation with Teddy and Bulldog Jr. Story opportunities Sammy couldn't even sniff and Pillman's the one made to look this weak? Terrible, horrible miscue in my mind.

 

Feels like what should have happened is Pillman attacks Sabian and scuttles the announcement. Kip reloads next week saying that Pillman's assault just re-affirms his choice in best man. Then not only are you debuting this dude, you have reason for Sabian to have muscle as backup. Maybe if I knew this Miro dude from some zero who picks things up and puts them down. But the guy I know, the guy I've seen and know anything about got made to look like a worthless buffoon. Not happy.

 

- Kiss & Janela vs was Jericho & Hager (No DQ) was good. Kiss impressed the most.

 

Oh indeed. The chemistry with Kiss & Janela is such an in character surprise. Most Bad Boys would hate a guy like Sonny on sight. Always great to see that Joey sees how well he and Sonny mesh and has the smarts to just go with it.

 

- MJF handles Wardlow's contract? I guess that's one way to hold off on the turn. Also explains why he hardly wrestles.

 

And really why not? Aren't too many other ways a slimy weasal like MJF are going to keep an angry beast like Wardlow in check. Heck, aren't too many other reasons for a beast like Wardlow to even associate with a punk like MJF to begin.

 

- Say yeah! Strong diss game from FTR. Ricky on both shows every week!

 

Oh indeed. And I am so happy for the baker. All too often when these segments feature cake someone ends up with it all over them. The fact it survived long enough to be eaten was a refreshing change. Was time that old trope was subverted so we don't all just reflexively brace for the smashing.

 

- Conti vs Nyla was good. Shida out but no Anna Jay...

 

Meh. Nyla always makes me wish somebody else were in her spot. She's not bad as such but she' just never resonated for me. I always find myself thinking of folks like Awesome Kong, Bull Nakano, Bertha Faye and wishing someone else in that vein could have Nyla's spot instead. Storyline for this match was good though. I like that they played to the fact Nyla's last defeat had involved Conti and teased her doing it again before Nyla countered into the pinfall. Well-written match. Just a pity who had to be in it.

 

Poor Hangman thinks he and Kenny are still a tag team.

 

And so many ways they could take Hangman after this. This frustration could either be the fuel that turns Page bad. Or it could be impetus for Kenny to turn and break Adam down to the point he has to dig and find inner strength the young Virginian either doesn't know he has or drowned in the booze. Lots of material to build on those story points regardless of which you choose

 

Dustin vs Brodie © was great. Only having Silver out there was a creative way of showing how little Brodie thinks of Dustin. Colt's still in the doghouse.

 

Excellent finish to the show. Like your analysis of how Lee treated Dustin. Also really loved Dustin getting the symbolic revenge on Lee by hitting the Cross Rhodes for Cody and Lee overcoming it anyway. Thereby highlighting your point.

 

As for Colt, I didn't much like the story of him joining up with The Dark Order in the first place. Never saw what a veteran of Colt's caliber was supposed to get out of such a partnership. Has always felt more like a vehicle for young guys who hadn't learned to deal with wrestling's rocky road yet and get them some notice. So really looking forward to seeing the relationship fall apart and hopefully the big fight that springs from it.

[Texas_Forever]

That Matt Sydal debut was shockmaster level Bad

[milamber]

Impressive numbers this week with no competition from NXT.

 

1.016 million (#7 on Cable). 0.37 Key Demo, 0.51 (Males 18-49) and 0.40 (Persons 50+).

 

Equal 3rd best viewership ever and 7th best key demo ever.

 

[Jaysin]

<p>I'm glad Eddie Kingston is bringing up that he was never actually eliminated. It annoyed me to no end that he got screwed. He never went over the top rope! </p><p> </p><p>

I'd rather see Eddie vs Mox, but that's only because I've seen Mox and Archer already.</p>

[soxfan93]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="46243" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm glad Eddie Kingston is bringing up that he was never actually eliminated. It annoyed me to no end that he got screwed. He never went over the top rope! <p> </p><p> I'd rather see Eddie vs Mox, but that's only because I've seen Mox and Archer already.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I couldn't agree more. The fact that he went under the bottom rope bothered the hell out of me. If its a storyline to get Kingston over more, fine, but that was awful.</p><p> </p><p> I did enjoy Mox vs. Archer from the Tokyo Dome, and Mox vs. Roberts on the mic should be outstanding, but Kingston would be equally as entertaining.</p>

[Bestia Negra]

I'm surprised that people are surprised that rules don't matter in AEW. You people are just out of touch, nobody cares about rules these days

[Mootinie]

Man did this segment kill itself off quickly for me. The first fakeout was kind of fun. But what idiot thought that Brian Pillman Jr should be the second one? They had the chance to spark a new feud and give a very talented performer his basic cable coming out party to a wider more average bear audience and they threw it away. When I look at the guys who've come here from MLW and look at how Pillman's been used, something just feels terribly out of whack. The rocket already on MJF's back has been upgraded and given higher grade fuel. Sammy's been saved from the shuffle and rocketed in his own right. The Lucha Bros have hyped as serious assets since Day 1. And then there's Pillman. I think of all the story Pillman got with mega stars of the sport in ML Dub. Kevin Sullivan. Low Ki. The next gen Hart Foundation with Teddy and Bulldog Jr. Story opportunities Sammy couldn't even sniff and Pillman's the one made to look this weak? Terrible, horrible miscue in my mind.

Brian Pillman Jr is tied down to a contract with MLW - apparently he wants his release but they're saying no. He can't sign for AEW full-time so he's being booked just as any indie wrestler would be, hence why AEW are in no rush to make him look threatening. I think the point behind the fakeout was to set up a first match for Miro that makes some story sense in that Pillman Jr can be mad he was upstaged.

 

What I'm most curious to see from AEW in the coming weeks is what they do with Orange Cassidy. Two wins over Jericho, now what?

[cappyboy]

Brian Pillman Jr is tied down to a contract with MLW - apparently he wants his release but they're saying no. He can't sign for AEW full-time so he's being booked just as any indie wrestler would be, hence why AEW are in no rush to make him look threatening. I think the point behind the fakeout was to set up a first match for Miro that makes some story sense in that Pillman Jr can be mad he was upstaged.

 

 

I have no doubt you're right but knowing that doesn't make things sit any better. They could have done that bit with anybody. And I know I'm probably in a very deep minority to see Pillman Jr as a bigger star than Miro. But Pillman's the one I've watched regularly and whose path I've followed. Having not watched the E in years and only being able to get it in Spanish when I've tried checking back in, Miro's second hand news. He certainly wasn't the guy I wanted to see in that moment. Had Pillman's slot gone to a jobber I hadn't known pre-AEW all's good. Would have felt perfectly logical. Or had the best man been someone with an equal profile to Pillman in Cappy Land like a Rocco Bellagio or a Shane Taylor, okay. I'm good with that too. The fact Pillman got made to look silly for someone who's a stranger to me is what's galling.

 

Now hopefully Miro can sell himself to me going forward. I'd like to think the fact he was able to sell himself to fans I trust while in the E is a good sign. But in this house, he's a completely new face and reputation guarantees nothing. Brian Cage also came in with one and he's been a dud in these walls. So time will tell. For now, I can't help feeling what I feel.

[Bestia Negra]

Wasn't Cage's reputation that he lost his title against a woman?