Bonafide_Bluffa Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hey guys, I recently started a NOTB save and after 2 months I'm already steadily losing money. The only big signing I made was Kholkov to help with the Nat Battle. Am I just losing money because of the national battle? Anyone got advice for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a0161613 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 <p>It's easy to lose money with them, even with a good economy. I wouldn't be concerned right now, but its important to not be losing the same in six months.</p><p> </p><p> What else have you done, besides hire Marat? I hope it wasn't a long deal, he's far from good for the product.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 <p>Here's what you do- start a working agreement with TCW, then do a talent trade and get Rocky Golden. Set his push to main event, and then you can send him on vacation for the duration of the loan agreement (just remember to exempt him from autopush if you use that). Rocky and Khoklov SHOULD keep you alive in the National Battles for the first few months.</p><p> </p><p> Eventually, to really make money, you're going to need to expand in the US, so at some point put a show on that Free-to-Air British channel; the coverage in America isn't great, but it's also a start. After a year, you should be popular enough to get other network deals.</p><p> </p><p> I'd also recommend tweaking the product settings so you can decrease the Match Intensity. 80% is a meat grinder considering the age of some of the guys on the roster.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonafide_Bluffa Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Thanks for the advice guys. Ended up falling to cult after month 2 but I did get a working agreement with TCW to get Rocky Golden. Hopefully that helps once I manage to make it back to National. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Historian Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I would also be very careful to not overspend on talent when their contracts come up. I often see the AI target McFly, DeColt, Westybrook, and a few others from NOTBPW's upper echelon -- particularly USPW. It can be tempting to want to keep them all, but don't overspend to do so, particularly for those aging vets. I would lock up some good young talent to written deals who fit the NOTBPW work-rate style (Greg Gauge, Ernest Youngman, etc..) maybe even Findlay and Bulldozer so you can replenish your roster, because the NOTBPW roster, particularly main event, ages out very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Of course, that's not going to be an issue if you're playing as booker and Jeremy Stone is the owner. He's a tightwad with money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <p>Enough with gaming the system. Hiring Marat and just using TCW's talent is a super lame move. Marat has no place in the company, and you I know you feel dirty for doing that. </p><p> </p><p> Start the save over and play properly. You're going to lose National Battle. Who cares? You can put on good shows to keep up anyway. The key to playing NOTBPW is booking properly and making new stars. When I was playing the company, like all my stars left the company except for a select few. This will save you money in the long run. And then just by playing the game you'll gain popularity and eventually turn a profit. You have 10 million dollars to start. You're not going to go out of business. Stop hotshotting a bunch of dumb things and play the company how it is meant to be played, an old school traditional workrate company.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookerman Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <p>Marat isn’t gaming the system. Stone’s see the success bringing DeColt in and try again with a foreign heel. He runs through the mid card while the title is defended against stars from other promotions. Eventually he gets a shot at the title and loses then puts over some of the faces on the way out. In one game, I used Marat attacking Ricky DeColt and being saved by Steve as a way to turn Steve face and make him the figurehead. </p><p> </p><p> Marat, Ricky DeColt and Peter Michaels are your first 3 signings. Marat brings overness that can be bled off and can be used for talent trades. Ricky is young, a good worker, and over in Canada. Michaels improves your announcing. Your next in line guys are probably Vessey, SSD, and Cavanaugh along with Ricky. Depending on tag chemistry, you could turn Cavanaugh on Westybrook and have some solid matches. </p><p> </p><p> Also grab Ross Henry when he shows up in February.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigINMoldova Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <p>You could just turn off national battles? They're kind of broken in TEW 2016 to be honest. I don't understand how one company cat put on 98 rated A events but lose to a company putting on 86 B Events just because their wrestlers are more popular.</p><p> </p><p> Popularity is great and important but so is proper roster management. You can have all the stars in the world but if you book them like crap, people are going to sour on the product. Look at 1998/1999 WCW for example or 2006/2007 TNA or WWE for the last decade.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I don't know. That's just my take on it and I know it's an unpopular one but whatever.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Enough with gaming the system. Hiring Marat and just using TCW's talent is a super lame move. Marat has no place in the company, and you I know you feel dirty for doing that. <p> </p><p> Start the save over and play properly. You're going to lose National Battle. Who cares? You can put on good shows to keep up anyway. The key to playing NOTBPW is booking properly and making new stars. When I was playing the company, like all my stars left the company except for a select few. This will save you money in the long run. And then just by playing the game you'll gain popularity and eventually turn a profit. You have 10 million dollars to start. You're not going to go out of business. Stop hotshotting a bunch of dumb things and play the company how it is meant to be played, an old school traditional workrate company.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But there is no true way to game the system. That is what is fun about the game, the player decides how they want to approach the game. I never get when people act like a purist and say there is only one way to play the game and that is it. </p><p> </p><p> If there was only one way we were meant to play, then Adam would not give us all of these options. I personally play a near sadbox game because I despise a lot of the features. That is the way I enjoy playing. </p><p> </p><p> Am I wrong for playing that way? No. </p><p> </p><p> Do I feel guilt in playing that way? Not a tinge. </p><p> </p><p> As far as NOTBPW is concerned, I am very much like the op. Every time I play as them I lose money hand over fist. In fact anytime I play as any of the bigger companies in the game (TCW, USPW, BHOTWG, CGC) I always lose a ton of money ever month. The only big promotion I ever make a profit on is SWF. </p><p> </p><p> That factor is one of the reason I tend to play as smaller companies for this version of the game.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But there is no true way to game the system. That is what is fun about the game, the player decides how they want to approach the game. I never get when people act like a purist and say there is only one way to play the game and that is it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But the guy hired Marat simply to take advantage of a game mechanic that most people would argue doesn't properly represent reality and is kind of a miss of a feature in the game. This argument would work if every single promotion specific thread on the forum didn't say "Just hire Marat to win the National Battle..." The guy clearly didn't hire him because he had some vision for his game and wanted the challenge of putting a talentless hoss in a workrate company. He hired him because it's common knowledge to hire Marat to win National battles. </p><p> </p><p> He also didn't partner with TCW because he wanted a game where he could book a bunch of dream matches. He did it because he was told to in this thread. </p><p> </p><p> If he would just book his actual vision of the promotion, he would have a lot more fun.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But the guy hired Marat simply to take advantage of a game mechanic that most people would argue doesn't properly represent reality and is kind of a miss of a feature in the game. This argument would work if every single promotion specific thread on the forum didn't say "Just hire Marat to win the National Battle..." The guy clearly didn't hire him because he had some vision for his game and wanted the challenge of putting a talentless hoss in a workrate company. He hired him because it's common knowledge to hire Marat to win National battles. <p> </p><p> He also didn't partner with TCW because he wanted a game where he could book a bunch of dream matches. He did it because he was told to in this thread. </p><p> </p><p> If he would just book his actual vision of the promotion, he would have a lot more fun.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I get what you are saying but these are fictional characters we are dealing with here so none of it represents reality. Even if it did mirror reality, there have been plenty of times when wrestlers have shown up in promotions and they did not fit said promotion's product (Necro Butcher in ROH comes to mind).</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This argument would work if every single promotion specific thread on the forum didn't say "Just hire Marat to win the National Battle..." <p> </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Except that's not true. I've never seen such a thing suggested for SOTBPW or SWF.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookerman Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 From a money perspective, check your backstage settings. You may be able to uncheck some of the travel/hotel settings to save money. Just make sure it doesn’t tank your backstage morale. You could also rework contracts to not include paying for travel. This would be similar to a new owner taking over a company and imposing some cost saving measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Hiring Marat isn't "gaming the system". But it's a bad move playing as NOTBPW. What are you going to do? Use him in menace angles? The crowd doesn't care about that too much and you'll bleed money. The Rocky Golden "advice" is just moronic. Why would you ever do that? Just turn off the feature instead of gaming it if you think it's unfair? It does highlight the fact the mechanic is flawed though. Honestly, playing as NOTBPW, you want to just hit the sweet spot where you don't lose money and just do your thing and try to hit those A* matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LloydCross Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But there is no true way to game the system. That is what is fun about the game, the player decides how they want to approach the game. I never get when people act like a purist and say there is only one way to play the game and that is it. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In general I'd argue that the line between playing it straight and gaming the system if where you start doing things the AI can't do.</p><p> </p><p> Hiring Marat seems to certainly be uninspired, but there's no reason the AI couldn't also do that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hiring Marat isn't "gaming the system". But it's a bad move playing as NOTBPW. What are you going to do? Use him in menace angles? The crowd doesn't care about that too much and you'll bleed money.<p> </p><p> The Rocky Golden "advice" is just moronic. Why would you ever do that? Just turn off the feature instead of gaming it if you think it's unfair? It does highlight the fact the mechanic is flawed though.</p><p> </p><p> Honestly, playing as NOTBPW, you want to just hit the sweet spot where you don't lose money and just do your thing and try to hit those A* matches.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And this is why I don't like playing them. You get handed a roster that will print A* matches and events, but you know you'll never stop the Champagne Lover storm that will sweep you away in a few years unless you expand, and change the product as everybody retires.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codey_v2 Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 Marat definitely has a place in the company. They're performance heavy, but they also have guys Frost, Haynes, and Cavanagh as long time employees that hardly set the ring on fire. The Stones know that having a roster of just elite performers is not the way to succeed, they need a variety of wrestlers and Marat fits that niche well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Black Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Heck, one time I was playing a game, and the first women wrestler that NOTBPW hired from AAA was... Ellie May Walton?!? Go home, AI, you're drunk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Heck, one time I was playing a game, and the first women wrestler that NOTBPW hired from AAA was... Ellie May Walton?!? Go home, AI, you're drunk. Watch it bring back the McWades in a manager role as farmboys to boost her cred. Nah, that never happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poputt Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Can we at least all agree that the star quality/popularity system for national battles was a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrokenCycle Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Can we at least all agree that the star quality/popularity system for national battles was a mistake? I don't blame Adam for doing it because it SOUNDS like a good idea in the mechanics of TEW, but it just made every game feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkn20 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poputt" data-cite="Poputt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can we at least all agree that the star quality/popularity system for national battles was a mistake? <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How would you do it then? I feel is an excellent way to represent the most popular and known wrestlers.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poputt" data-cite="Poputt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can we at least all agree that the star quality/popularity system for national battles was a mistake? <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BrokenCycle" data-cite="BrokenCycle" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47051" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't blame Adam for doing it because it SOUNDS like a good idea in the mechanics of TEW, but it just made every game feel the same.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I mean.... the whole point of a National Battle is that it takes really good shows to get up to a size good enough to take part (like, at least an 8/10 rated show) so any companies fighting in one are already guaranteed to be putitng on good shows. At that point it's a case of finding a way to break what is going to generally be a tie.... which is the stars involved. In any entertainment based industry, stars draw fans and money.... and star quality is the key to that.</p><p> </p><p> Obviously we've made improvements for TEW20, but the TEW16 system is good for simlating how important stars are in pushing one critically acclaimed company ahead of another. And some people just come across as stars more than others, so of course there is going to be an element of sameness.... mods are set up with some people to be more of a star than others, and if you play the same datasets repeatedly there is always going to be elements that will be the same. You'd have the same issue with Football Manager games as the same players become the best ones in each game so if you play a few games you can learn those stars ahead of time.</p><p> </p><p> But yeah... as I said, TEW20 has made improvements. From being able to choose how battles are determined to the little star quality changes that every worker can experience over time.... the battles in TEW20 are going to be more dynamic and the game world will evolve in different ways each time. But even then, there is a limit on how different it can be each time and tehre are likely to be similar results each time. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poputt Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I mean intent is nice, especially when you're designing a system, but once we see how the features are being used I don't consider it as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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