TEW2020 CornellVerse Discussion Thread

[Remianen]

She’s not the only one, Shiori Jippensha has softened up quite a bit too

 

Paige Croft has basically gotten amnesia and turned into a completely different person.

[Jaded]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my comment, you have all gave me some sense of clarity, especially the comment below

 

I think I will create a mini spreadsheet to keep some info handy for the wrestlers and then it should become second nature soon. Loving the game too!!

 

Hey Ninja, this thread may be of interest - hope you enjoy discovering the Cornellverse! http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545583

[1PWfan]

Hey Ninja, this thread may be of interest - hope you enjoy discovering the Cornellverse! http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=545583

 

 

See, this is why Jaded is awesome.

[Poputt]

I'm definitely getting deja vu with some of the same excellent wrestlers from 2013 and 2016 stuck in the midcard with no explanation other than "they have been stuck in the midcard."

[Historian]

I'm definitely getting deja vu with some of the same excellent wrestlers from 2013 and 2016 stuck in the midcard with no explanation other than "they have been stuck in the midcard."

 

Isn't that reflective of real life? Rusev was stuck in the midcard forever despite being both talented and getting over (with two separate gimmicks/presentations). He got a grand total of one World Title opportunity. Same with Cesaro. He's been stuck in the midcard his whole run despite being an excellent wrestler...

[lr10540]

Isn't that reflective of real life? Rusev was stuck in the midcard forever despite being both talented and getting over (with two separate gimmicks/presentations). He got a grand total of one World Title opportunity. Same with Cesaro. He's been stuck in the midcard his whole run despite being an excellent wrestler...

 

My thoughts exactly. With only so many main event spots to go around, it's hard for everyone to get their opportunity.

[Matt_Black]

Paige Croft has basically gotten amnesia and turned into a completely different person.

 

Honestly, Paige was never that bad in 2016, at least in my experience. She was fairly easy to knock into neutral backstage or better. The only negative influence I had an easier time with was Cosmic Rider in OLLIE, who I managed on several playthroughs to turn from negative into positive.

[demondragonking]

Personally I adore the 'talk to worker' option in 2020. In my startup company I've managed to talk several Aussie workers and others around the globe into giving the USA a chance. I'm not always successful in it, but it's a great touch. 10/10 for this feature. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Matt_Black]

Yeah, I'm going to need to try that. I'm a softie and I don't like to see talented workers not work, so it always pained me to see someone like Jeri Behr have absolutely nothing to do in Europe because EWA is the only company that employs women and Byron would have nothing to do with her.

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt_Black" data-cite="Matt_Black" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47579" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, I'm going to need to try that. I'm a softie and I don't like to see talented workers not work, so it always pained me to see someone like Jeri Behr have absolutely nothing to do in Europe because EWA is the only company that employs women and Byron would have nothing to do with her.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I'm the same way. I've been using the heck out of that feature. Though I'm tempted to ask Golden Delicious to work in the British Isles. Her and Mark Carnie are a match made in heaven (or hell, depending on your perspective).</p><p> </p><p> In the last game, I flat out refused to hire negative personalities because changing them to neutral or positive took too much effort. I've always had a 'You do you, boo' mentality so trying to 'fix' workers wasn't something I wanted to do. Now since I've effectively lost my Randy Orton (Melbourne Surprise = RKO in my head canon), I may have to rethink that.</p><p> </p><p> Oh and I absolutely LOVE Adam's justification for keeping Kitty Katz in SNP long-term. In 16, she was usually the first of the girls to leave but now, I can see her staying for a while. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Chikbot]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47579" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, I'm the same way. I've been using the heck out of that feature. Though I'm tempted to ask Golden Delicious to work in the British Isles. Her and Mark Carnie are a match made in heaven (or hell, depending on your perspective).<p> </p><p> In the last game, I flat out refused to hire negative personalities because changing them to neutral or positive took too much effort. I've always had a 'You do you, boo' mentality so trying to 'fix' workers wasn't something I wanted to do. Now since I've effectively lost my Randy Orton (Melbourne Surprise = RKO in my head canon), I may have to rethink that.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Oh and I absolutely LOVE Adam's justification for keeping Kitty Katz in SNP long-term. In 16, she was usually the first of the girls to leave but now, I can see her staying for a while. </strong><img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> As someone who loved Kitty last year, I'm happy she has backup in SNP's biggest star incase Mark decides to try shit with her. We may have a future relationship on our hands there.</p>

[consortium11]

Isn't that reflective of real life? Rusev was stuck in the midcard forever despite being both talented and getting over (with two separate gimmicks/presentations). He got a grand total of one World Title opportunity. Same with Cesaro. He's been stuck in the midcard his whole run despite being an excellent wrestler...

 

I think the difference here is that in real life there's only been one real show in town for going on 15 years and it's only extremely recently that AEW (and to an extent NJPW) have really offered an alternative. Yes, I guess there was TNA which would pay well if you already had significant name value but they were infamously cheap with their contracts for anyone who wasn't already a big name. Put simply, if you wanted to get paid (and get paid reliably) you needed to be in the WWE.

 

In contrast the C-Verse has three major US based promotions (even if TCW have been struggling for money in the build up to 2020), a powerhouse in Mexico, a now combined Canadian organisation, a wealthy UK based promotion, the Japanese market (although they're probably not going to be spending much) and a major Australian company. While real world wrestlers basically had to choose between good (and just as importantly, stable) pay combined with the platform that WWE provides even if they're stuck in the midcard vs personal satisfaction and glory of being a headliner on a much (much...) smaller promotion with very limited exposure, C-verse workers have more options. Honestly it's hard to think of any time wrestlers in the real world have had as many opportunities or options as the C-verse ones do, at least post-territory days... I guess the closest you could come is the 1990's where wrestlers could (and did) regularly move between the major US and Japanese promotions.

[Remianen]

I think the difference here is that in real life there's only been one real show in town for going on 15 years and it's only extremely recently that AEW (and to an extent NJPW) have really offered an alternative. Yes, I guess there was TNA which would pay well if you already had significant name value but they were infamously cheap with their contracts for anyone who wasn't already a big name. Put simply, if you wanted to get paid (and get paid reliably) you needed to be in the WWE.

 

In contrast the C-Verse has three major US based promotions (even if TCW have been struggling for money in the build up to 2020), a powerhouse in Mexico, a now combined Canadian organisation, a wealthy UK based promotion, the Japanese market (although they're probably not going to be spending much) and a major Australian company. While real world wrestlers basically had to choose between good (and just as importantly, stable) pay combined with the platform that WWE provides even if they're stuck in the midcard vs personal satisfaction and glory of being a headliner on a much (much...) smaller promotion with very limited exposure, C-verse workers have more options. Honestly it's hard to think of any time wrestlers in the real world have had as many opportunities or options as the C-verse ones do, at least post-territory days... I guess the closest you could come is the 1990's where wrestlers could (and did) regularly move between the major US and Japanese promotions.

 

Who are these workers you're referring to? What are their deficiencies? There are "stats" that are universally desired in all types of promotions. If a worker is significantly deficient in those stats, they won't progress and nowhere in the world will be different. Black holes of charisma aren't desirable to any promotion, as an example. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. Ask Drew McIntyre (and Cody, to a lesser extent).

 

I just don't think it's realistic to have a bunch of 'midcard for life' types turn into superstars in a 5 year period. And going to a 'smaller' company isn't necessarily a bad thing if it allows you to reinvent yourself. It's happened in the C-Verse (Umeko Karube, Marc DuBois, Rich Money, Rick Law, Steve Frehley, Duane Stone as Black Cobra, etc) and in reality. Also, realize that some areas are closed gardens. You're not going to see tons of movement INTO Australia, for example.

 

Oh and NJPW has been an alternative for almost 20 years now. It's just recently, the casual wrestling fan has become aware of them. Ask Matt Bloom/Albert. Heck, ask Brock Lesnar.

 

EDIT: Basically what I'm saying is, if a worker finds themselves as a smallish fish in a big pond, the only way to become (or to appear to be) a bigger fish, is to move to a smaller pond. Company visibility is meaningless if you're not being seen as it is!

[Justin]

Is there a fed in the Cverse that fits the "studio wrestling" mold, like current day NWA?

 

I'm reading through as fast as I can but I'm taking my first deep dive into the data and it's a lot to take in...

[miz468]

Is there a fed in the Cverse that fits the "studio wrestling" mold, like current day NWA?

 

I'm reading through as fast as I can but I'm taking my first deep dive into the data and it's a lot to take in...

 

Take a look at MAW and NYCW.

[consortium11]

Who are these workers you're referring to? What are their deficiencies? There are "stats" that are universally desired in all types of promotions. If a worker is significantly deficient in those stats, they won't progress and nowhere in the world will be different. Black holes of charisma aren't desirable to any promotion, as an example. Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. Ask Drew McIntyre (and Cody, to a lesser extent).

 

I'm not the poster who originally brought up workers stuck in the midcard; I simply pointed out that using real world examples of workers who are seemingly being held back and not getting the opportunities they deserve in the WWE isn't the best comparison to the C-verse due the vastly higher number of major companies there.

 

That said, to give some examples I am familiar with, guys like Beast Bantom, Grave Digger, Leigh Burton and Wade Orson haven't progressed as much as I'd probably expect in either skills, popularity or place on the card considering the time gap and the lack of biography based explanation (unlike say Andrew Lee where his lack of skill development can be explained by his biography mentioning injuries.

 

I just don't think it's realistic to have a bunch of 'midcard for life' types turn into superstars in a 5 year period. And going to a 'smaller' company isn't necessarily a bad thing if it allows you to reinvent yourself. It's happened in the C-Verse (Umeko Karube, Marc DuBois, Rich Money, Rick Law, Steve Frehley, Duane Stone as Black Cobra, etc) and in reality.

 

That's actually my point; in the real world (until recently) workers in a "midcard for life" position in the WWE didn't really have any other options available to them which would pay as well (and as reliably) and give them any sort of visibility/platform. As such you can understand why they choose to remain "stuck" rather than go somewhere else. In the C-verse that's not the case; there are enough alternative companies who pay well (enough) and are big (enough) that workers are less likely to simply stay if they don't feel they're being used to their full potential or given a chance.

 

Also, realize that some areas are closed gardens. You're not going to see tons of movement INTO Australia, for example.

 

Not as much as between companies in one area or even the more traditional places for workers to go (and the UK can be seen in a somewhat similar but less dramatic way) but looking at this from a lore rather than gameplay perspective in seems unrealistic that workers who think they can be more than midcarders (or lower) but no real chance of progressing in one of the big US promotions wouldn't think about having a go with RAW... or that RAW wouldn't be interested in the more charismatic and good looking in turn.

 

Oh and NJPW has been an alternative for almost 20 years now. It's just recently, the casual wrestling fan has become aware of them. Ask Matt Bloom/Albert. Heck, ask Brock Lesnar.

 

Matt Bloom only ended up with NJPW after the WWE released him because they didn't want him any more (and after a brief stay in AJPW). When the WWE wanted him back he signed pretty much immediately. Brock Lesnar had a grand total of 7 matches in a year for NJPW largely because he needed a payday and something to do when his attempt at getting into football didn't quite work out and before he'd decided to take up MMA. Nakamura's talked about how during his match with Brock he got the sense that Brock really didn't care, didn't like pro-wrestling and was purely there for the payday and nothing else. He's also not an example of someone who was stuck in the midcard and went out to find new opportunities for themselves; he was someone at the top who was burned out and needed a break.

 

NJPW has been an alternative at various times; I mentioned the 90's as one example. But NJPW also spent about a decade from the mid 2000's either in the grip in or recovering from Inokism with plummeting attendances, ratings and revenue; it wasn't a real alternative and frankly at times even looked like it might not survive (at least in a meaningful way).

 

EDIT: Basically what I'm saying is, if a worker finds themselves as a smallish fish in a big pond, the only way to become (or to appear to be) a bigger fish, is to move to a smaller pond. Company visibility is meaningless if you're not being seen as it is!

 

Again, that's basically my point. In the real world until recently the smaller ponds available were so much smaller that it simply wasn't a realistic option for someone making WWE money (even as a mid or lower card guy) to give that up to go to them. In contrast in the C-verse the ponds might be somewhat smaller and a bit more distant but they're close enough in size and monetary reward that it's a reasonable choice to bet on yourself and try to go to one if it isn't working where you currently are.

 

You mention Drew McIntyre and he's a perfect example of someone who was going nowhere but down in the biggest promotion, left, rediscovered his fire, improved himself, built an aura and returned in a much better position. But McIntyre didn't leave the WWE by choice. He didn't say "I'm better than being part of a comedy job squad, I'm going to go somewhere else and prove it". He was perfectly content to be part of 3MB, lose every match (when he even got one) and collect his pay. If the WWE hadn't released him then he likely wouldn't have ever changed and would be in a similar role today. In contrast if there was a USPW equivalent, a TCW equivalent, a 21CW equivalent back in the UK etc then I think that back in 2011 when it was apparent that the WWE had lost interest in him and weren't going to really push him any more he'd have been a lot more tempted to leave and try his luck with one of them.

[Remianen]

Ah I see. My fault, I misunderstood. Probably the best real world example is Zack Ryder. He would've stayed there forever if they hadn't cut bait with him. As far as the narrative goes, there's probably no limit to the changes that could've been made. You could've had Philippe LaGrenier turn up in RAW running a Snobby Frenchman gimmick and eventually feuding with Swoop. But maybe there was enough upheaval with the Canadian merger, failure of 4C and GCG and WEXXV, and all the ripples from that.

[Captain97G]

So first off loving the changes to the interface of TEW 2020. It looks so clean and fresh. While I loved the old interface for TEW 2016 I think this one is even better.

 

Having said that I am slightly disappointed with the number of different companies that have been forced to close there doors like AAA, GCG 4C. Japan being where it is because of a natural event is somewhat ironic considering what we are currently dealing with around the world. It kind of makes the game world feel a bit emptier and lacking despite the influx of new wrestlers. This is especially true considering we have a new game area in India but no wrestling company in India(I also noticed that there is no Referees or Road Agents in India so I made a random referee up with a generic render and basically have Kashmir Singh as a Wrestler, Road Agent, and Booker of my India Fed.)

 

However this does provide opportunity to build your own company from scratch and in areas where these is a gap in wrestling companies(North West Seattle Area looks very promising with AAA gone and the ability to go right in and build it up).

 

Overall I like the latest installment of the C-verse although I was hoping more would be put into it. Maybe future Patches or DLC could add to the game

[dbritton987]

I'm like a lot of other people here, the new game and format is a lot to get used to. I feel like I find myself just staring at my computer screen and drooling sometimes. There's even some moments I just want to run back to TEW2016 like its my precious, warm blankie.

 

It has definitely killed my rhythm with how I'm used to doing things. I keep on trying to do the same ol' things that I usually do, and it's just not possible anymore.

 

But, rather than be pessimistic, I'm excited to see it where all takes me. I spent what seemed like hours scrolling and reading bios. My first booked show took what seemed like an eternity. Yet, I'm excited to keep going and improve.

[Matt_Black]

I've been playing QAW a lot since the demo came out, and I've only just now realized that the Storm Front stable is called that because they're lead by Juana Huracan. *face palm*

[Remianen]

I've been playing QAW a lot since the demo came out, and I've only just now realized that the Storm Front stable is called that because they're lead by Juana Huracan. *face palm*

 

You have to remember, Adam LOVES him some puns. But tsk tsk, and he even changed her name to HURRICANE to make it more obvious. Did you at least get Air Raid Syren?

[Matt_Black]

You have to remember, Adam LOVES him some puns. But tsk tsk, and he even changed her name to HURRICANE to make it more obvious. Did you at least get Air Raid Syren?

 

It's hard to NOT get that one.

 

The one that probably took me the longest was Wanda Fish, which shouldn't have, but I blame that "The Dish" nickname threw me off.

 

"Wanda Fish. Wanda. Fish. Fish named- oh dagnabbit!"

[Jaded]

It's hard to NOT get that one.

 

The one that probably took me the longest was Wanda Fish, which shouldn't have, but I blame that "The Dish" nickname threw me off.

 

"Wanda Fish. Wanda. Fish. Fish named- oh dagnabbit!"

 

I JUST got that from reading your last line, wow I feel dumb now!

[consortium11]

Probably the best real world example is Zack Ryder. He would've stayed there forever if they hadn't cut bait with him.

 

From what people have said about Ryder's mindset he may not be the best example because his ambition was never to be a wrestling star but a WWE star; he loves the WWE so much that it's all he cares about in the business, regardless of how he's used; he'd rather be a jobber in the WWE then a player somewhere else. Things may have been different if he was in the C-verse simply because there'd be more major promotions around during his formative years and still around when he broke into the business but he's exactly the sort of person who would be happy stuck in the midcard or lower of whatever promotion he fell in love with.

[radiationlevel]

Just curious if anyone else is making FireProWorld edits for cverse characters?