TEW2020 CornellVerse Discussion Thread

[Markw]

[Remianen]

* It seems like ex-CGC guys are dominating the title scenes, and most of the retained event names are from CGC.

 

All your points are valid but from what I recall, didn't CGC have the bulk of the "young talent" that could be pushed to the top (Aaron Knight, Christian Price, etc)? Both CGC and NOTBPW were really heavy on DeColt/Stone/McFly use, almost to the exclusion of all else. With a more Sports Entertainment product, those young turks become a lot more valuable because they don't need to have the levels of in-ring skill that NOTBPW's product required. You can have Robin DaLay as an upper midcarder and pushed strongly because he doesn't need to be protected as much. I think that was the key to the merger. NOTBPW's product made it difficult to replace the old hands (Jeremy, Dan Jr) because their replacements needed to be almost as good as the people they're replacing (and that's not realistic).

 

I think the event names may have been a result of the product change. CGC's events are more evocative of Sports Entertainment than NOTBPW's were. The tournament though is pretty dumb. Should've kept the Henson naming. Especially since both George and Dan Sr were friends with Ed.

[Satyr24]

<p>I find it weird DIW has been at war with APW and RAW in all the other games</p><p>

but in this one they are only hostile with APW which last about a week anyway before one of them declares WAR</p>

[Croquemitaine]

All your points are valid but from what I recall, didn't CGC have the bulk of the "young talent" that could be pushed to the top (Aaron Knight, Christian Price, etc)? Both CGC and NOTBPW were really heavy on DeColt/Stone/McFly use, almost to the exclusion of all else. With a more Sports Entertainment product, those young turks become a lot more valuable because they don't need to have the levels of in-ring skill that NOTBPW's product required. You can have Robin DaLay as an upper midcarder and pushed strongly because he doesn't need to be protected as much. I think that was the key to the merger. NOTBPW's product made it difficult to replace the old hands (Jeremy, Dan Jr) because their replacements needed to be almost as good as the people they're replacing (and that's not realistic).

 

I think the event names may have been a result of the product change. CGC's events are more evocative of Sports Entertainment than NOTBPW's were. The tournament though is pretty dumb. Should've kept the Henson naming. Especially since both George and Dan Sr were friends with Ed.

Your points are also valid.

 

Also, NOTBPW had some goofy event names.

 

I'm still baffled about the Ed Henson tournament, though. Presumably CWA owns all of both companies trademarks and titles. Why not continue the prestigious tournament?

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Croquemitaine" data-cite="Croquemitaine" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47579" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Your points are also valid. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Also, NOTBPW had some goofy event names. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I'm still baffled about the Ed Henson tournament, though. Presumably CWA owns all of both companies trademarks and titles. Why not continue the prestigious tournament?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, that seems like an oversight. Now that I look at it though, if you discount the gimmick PPVs (which are PURELY Sports Entertainment staples), more than half of CWA's events were formerly NOTBPW (Big City Brawl, Clash Classic, Super Slam, Summer Smash) as well as the TV show. Gimmick PPVs are Apocalypse (4v4 main event), Chaos in the Cage (which I assume features a cage match), Last Man Standing (Royal Rumble main event), Total Elimination (all trios matches), and Ultimate Showdown (Night of Champions, all titles defended on the show). I'd say that's more than fair. They basically did away with all of NOTBPW's shows that denoted when they took place (Jeopardy in June, Mid-Summer Madness, September Scramble, October Obliteration, Nirvana in November, Winter War) since, as we've seen in reality, Sports Entertainment companies love to move events around (WWE, TNA, etc). The tag team tournament is a major oversight though. Moving it is fine but replacing it doesn't make much sense.</p>

[Blackman]

Yeah CWA is a mess. Let's keep the names of the PPV's but treat it like it's something entirely new. Right... <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Matt_Black]

One thing I noticed, poking around the in-game editor. For "in canon" yet to debut wrestlers, there are nearly 5 times as many male wrestlers set to debut as there are women wrestlers. That's... Yeesh.

[awesomenessofme1]

One thing I noticed, poking around the in-game editor. For "in canon" yet to debut wrestlers, there are nearly 5 times as many male wrestlers set to debut as there are women wrestlers. That's... Yeesh.

 

That's pretty reasonable, actually. If you filter by "Already Debuted" and "Active Wrestler", it's more like a 9:1 ratio.

[Blackman]

That's pretty reasonable, actually. If you filter by "Already Debuted" and "Active Wrestler", it's more like a 9:1 ratio.

 

I agree this is rather reasonable. Besides... where are they going to work anyway? The roster is stacked as it is.

[Matt_Black]

It's fine if the game world stays absolutely the same as it does at the start, with no players adding women's divisions or companies or new companies debuting later.

 

Now, admittedly, this is less of a big deal. The unemployed list for women's wrestlers is much smaller this time around, but between performance centers and "Talk To Worker", that's something to work around.

 

However, if you like playing women's companies or divisions, there's really not a lot to get excited about in regards to new workers showing up later, and many of those were "Yet To Debut" in 2016, too.

[Sylver]

I auto-filled 15 more women just to give me more options. Chojiro now has a younger sister Reiko, thanx to the auto-naming.

 

 

It's fine if the game world stays absolutely the same as it does at the start, with no players adding women's divisions or companies or new companies debuting later.

 

Now, admittedly, this is less of a big deal. The unemployed list for women's wrestlers is much smaller this time around, but between performance centers and "Talk To Worker", that's something to work around.

 

However, if you like playing women's companies or divisions, there's really not a lot to get excited about in regards to new workers showing up later, and many of those were "Yet To Debut" in 2016, too.

[Remianen]

I agree this is rather reasonable. Besides... where are they going to work anyway? The roster is stacked as it is.

 

Yeah but what about the future? With all of the new features we have that help workers develop outside of established companies, what happens when the free agent pool dries up. There are already a lot of workers at or over retirement age (for women, that's typically 30). Also, keep in mind that most women have an "injury" that can happen seemingly at any time and put a worker out of action for a full year (pregnancy). But, I'm almost positive we're not working with the 'final' database and there will be more new workers added for full release. This is one of those pieces of content that can wait until the last minute because with a two month limit, you're not going to see any of those future workers anyway.

 

However, if you like playing women's companies or divisions, there's really not a lot to get excited about in regards to new workers showing up later, and many of those were "Yet To Debut" in 2016, too.

 

I'm working on something in this area. I noticed a lot of people who have left the business have done so for 'raising a family' purposes. Heck, Tracy Brendon's bio just about handed me all the info I'd need to create her daughter. I've also had some ideas that are holdovers from previous years. For example, it wouldn't be uncommon for an unmarried Japanese woman to hide a pregnancy so who's to say Kanako (Sakakibara) Hyobanshi doesn't exist?

[spiffyone]

I went to start a new game and it took me a half an hour to choose who I was going to use instead... RIP...

 

Yep. Huge loss.

 

My initial gut choice to take over the booking duties for IPW, as it were, was Karen Killer (in my 2016 save I had her as manager and part of a stable consisting of Aldous Blackfriar and The Night Terrors). But then I took a look at her new profile pic and...wow my darkness cougar did not age very well in four years. Still, it would make sense as she does have booking experience.

[Captain97G]

So overall how do you guys feel about this game database and what changes do you feel like you want to make to the game world? I feel like I need to renamed the CWA Tag Tournment back to the NOTBPW Ed Henson tournment, bring back TCW International Championship, and add some people to India(a refree, a booker, and a couple of wrestlers. But I don't know how much I want to change the database before I do too much. How are you guys feeling?

[Matt_Black]

Personally, I feel like at least one Japanese company should have stuck to their guns with the Modern Japan philosophy.

[BHK1978]

I am running RIPW and I was looking at the face/heel divide. There are six more heels (IIRC, I don't have the game opened at the very moment) than there are faces. Now I have to have it even, even if it cost the company more money.

 

Therefore, I went looking to hire six new face workers to even out the company. Every single low-level guy wants either a percentage of merch or more money. The problem is Jerry Eisen will not allow me to give anyone a contract over thirty dollars. But, and this is the odd part, Jerry has no problems with me paying Ryan Turner and Stan Manna ninety-five dollars per show. I am trying to save the guy money and he's all like, "Nah man I'm good. I won't pay a penny over thirty dollars but I will gladly pay ninety-five dollars plus."

[The Nickman]

So overall how do you guys feel about this game database and what changes do you feel like you want to make to the game world? I feel like I need to renamed the CWA Tag Tournment back to the NOTBPW Ed Henson tournment, bring back TCW International Championship, and add some people to India(a refree, a booker, and a couple of wrestlers. But I don't know how much I want to change the database before I do too much. How are you guys feeling?

I really like the evolution of RAW except one minor issue... much the same as in TEW2016, there's not really any relationships!

 

Have these guys really all worked together for the better part of a decade and not developed SOME friendships or rivalries??

[Matt_Black]

Thinking about it more, while I'm okay with the current state of women's wrestling in North America (aside from my aforementioned not being crazy about no one special really set to debut), I will say I think women's wrestling in Mexico has stagnated. Certainly, the women's division in OLLIE and CILL have gotten bigger, but the actual women available to wrestle in Mexico is pretty much the same as it was in 2016. No new workers, no one on excursion...

 

Also, Canada's largest company has a women's division, the United States' largest company has a women's division, and Mexico's largest company... does not. That doesn't feel right, somehow.

[Jack Avatar Fan]

<p>Portlandia Integrity Grappling</p><p> </p><p>

With the loss of AAA, I feel like the time is right for the newly retired Damian "The Natural" Carvill to open up a small, extremely quirky wrestling company in his backyard of the Northwest USA.</p><p> </p><p>

Portlandia Integrity Grappling. </p><p> </p><p>

Naturally, Damian will be the Mayor of PIG and he'll have to mediate between my two major factions: The Fair Trade Brigade and Seattle Sucks.</p><p> </p><p>

...I've been binging Portlandia.</p>

[Remianen]

Also, Canada's largest company has a women's division, the United States' largest company has a women's division, and Mexico's largest company... does not. That doesn't feel right, somehow.

 

Ah, I was once where you are.

 

Short answer is, because not every area needs to have a women's division.

 

Long answer is, EILL adding a women's division might water down its existing product and for what? Neither CWA nor USPW use their divisions as draws (how many times do they main event PPVs with women's matches when the women's match rates higher than some of the prior main events)? It would also change Mexico as an area because OLLIE and CILL do use their divisions as draws. I guess it's possible to create 11 luchadoras and moving some of the talent from CILL and OLLIE to EILL and replacing them with the new additions. I just don't like the idea of adding a division just to add a division. If that's the case, UEW should add a women's division because EWA has one. I like there being a narrative reason for these additions. EILL has enough upheaval going on. Losing two of your biggest stars (Lover and Pablo) would mean you doubling down on bringing up more draws to try to replace them (or at least mitigate the losses). That would probably preclude them from adding another bit onto the product, unless there was a flashpoint. Say, a big star moves to Mexico and EILL builds a division around her (Alicia Strong is the only name big enough to fit). Or a homegrown worker(s) catches fire enough to where they can build a division around them (maybe Celeste Moon vs Electric Dreamer as an impetus).

[Blackman]

<p>I agree. Imo it's way better to have division in a smaller company where it gets the attention it deserves (depending of course on the talent present), rather than have a 2009-style WWE division (again: makes sense in regards to talent).</p><p> </p><p>

If you like diversity you must also like diversity in scope and scale. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Those that aren't finding work will drift towards other regions and can potentially enrich the division there.</p>

[Rhysrob]

<p>I'm not sure liking diversity in scope and scale works here. I think what people are feeling is we live in a world where women's divisions are almost default in any name promotion (with wildly varying levels of success!) so what's the hold up in the C-Verse?</p><p> </p><p>

It is a made up world so why wouldn't every area have the ability to sustain a women's wrestling scene? Some can be successful, some can be a challenge, but at least the option is there. So, on the flip side EILL has a potential narrative reason to add a division-- USPW/CWA are it's nearest 'big' geographical rivals and have one. The region has 2 divisions as a feeder (and probably QAW)... That makes sense and is symmetrical.</p>

[Matt_Black]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rhysrob" data-cite="Rhysrob" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47579" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> It is a made up world so why wouldn't every area have the ability to sustain a women's wrestling scene? </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Because there aren't enough active female workers, and features like performance centers and Quick Fill are ridiculously unbalanced in favor of generating male workers.</p><p> </p><p> Or were you speaking rhetorically?</p>

[Rhysrob]

Rhetorically!

[Matt_Black]

Rhetorically!

 

I know, I just needed to vent after my disappointment with trying the quick fill feature for women wrestlers last night.