TCW Discussion Thread

[Hazemore]

Yeah it's what I am doing as well. I just don't like that they kind of make you book yourself in a corner both as a menacing tag team and as a singles monster.

 

After their program with Mighty Meat is done and they go over... then what? They are nowhere near ready to go higher in the card and also because there are plenty workers more deserving of that push. They don't offer much to lower pop face teams because their lacking in-ring ability means the matches won't score highly so the gained pop is limited.

Only thing left is recycle face tag teams to face them and lose. But this keeps your tag division in limbo.

 

Meh, just not a fan of them I guess. Massive respect for anyone who can make it work though! I will just wait out for Papa Swoll and Dreadnought to ripen up

 

I personally play TCW as between SWF and TCW, so work rate is more important then SWF, but ability to do well in angles is more important then TCW. This means that as long as 90% of by major stars/ stars are good workers, I can afford to have some monsters that aren't that good, but are great in angles

[Macca316]

How would you solve it?

 

Hey Hive mind,

 

run into a bit of an issue with my save and need advice;

So still in my first year and at Total Mayhem I had Sammy Bach won the World Title in what was supposed to be a "feel good" finally moment over Wolf Hawkins, and it was largely, he overcame the Syndicate and it graded pretty well (81).

 

However after the event and in his first match since winning the gold I noticed he is getting pinged for being in decline.

 

My question is how would you deal with the situation, I have a few scenarios however i'm open to ideas;

 

Idea 1: Simply Wolf wins the belt back at the next PPV, I wanted to avoid what will likely be Sammy's only World Title being a footnote reign but it may be the only solution to not tanking my grades.

 

Idea 2: I play it safe, knowing Sammy is potentially in the twilight of his career, and limit his 1vs1 matches to big events, with guys I know can carry the grades and follow through with my original plan which was Sammy retaining through the next few months before dropping to Chord towards the end of the year setting up my next big Total Mayhem event of Chord vs Bright.

 

As I said, I'm open to other ideas.

[Hazemore]

Hey Hive mind,

 

run into a bit of an issue with my save and need advice;

So still in my first year and at Total Mayhem I had Sammy Bach won the World Title in what was supposed to be a "feel good" finally moment over Wolf Hawkins, and it was largely, he overcame the Syndicate and it graded pretty well (81).

 

However after the event and in his first match since winning the gold I noticed he is getting pinged for being in decline.

 

My question is how would you deal with the situation, I have a few scenarios however i'm open to ideas;

 

Idea 1: Simply Wolf wins the belt back at the next PPV, I wanted to avoid what will likely be Sammy's only World Title being a footnote reign but it may be the only solution to not tanking my grades.

 

Idea 2: I play it safe, knowing Sammy is potentially in the twilight of his career, and limit his 1vs1 matches to big events, with guys I know can carry the grades and follow through with my original plan which was Sammy retaining through the next few months before dropping to Chord towards the end of the year setting up my next big Total Mayhem event of Chord vs Bright.

 

As I said, I'm open to other ideas.

 

idea 2. I think Bach can do well enough if he goes against Andrews, Chord, Hawkins etc, so I would keep it on him, and maybe lose it at December or something. The only time I go back on my plans is if someone completely flops, which has happened to me once

[Macca316]

idea 2. I think Bach can do well enough if he goes against Andrews, Chord, Hawkins etc, so I would keep it on him, and maybe lose it at December or something. The only time I go back on my plans is if someone completely flops, which has happened to me once

 

Thanks, I was thinking the same, basically saving what few big single matches he has left in the tank for the PPVs and potentially if i need him to wrestle on TV its in Tag matches.

[Kingster]

Hey Hive mind,

 

run into a bit of an issue with my save and need advice;

So still in my first year and at Total Mayhem I had Sammy Bach won the World Title in what was supposed to be a "feel good" finally moment over Wolf Hawkins, and it was largely, he overcame the Syndicate and it graded pretty well (81).

 

However after the event and in his first match since winning the gold I noticed he is getting pinged for being in decline.

 

My question is how would you deal with the situation, I have a few scenarios however i'm open to ideas;

 

Idea 1: Simply Wolf wins the belt back at the next PPV, I wanted to avoid what will likely be Sammy's only World Title being a footnote reign but it may be the only solution to not tanking my grades.

 

Idea 2: I play it safe, knowing Sammy is potentially in the twilight of his career, and limit his 1vs1 matches to big events, with guys I know can carry the grades and follow through with my original plan which was Sammy retaining through the next few months before dropping to Chord towards the end of the year setting up my next big Total Mayhem event of Chord vs Bright.

 

As I said, I'm open to other ideas.

 

How does he perform? If he's still able to deliver main event performances, why not keep the belt on him?

[Macca316]

How does he perform? If he's still able to deliver main event performances, why not keep the belt on him?

 

In the two matches since winning the belt and noticing the RA note he has had 2 matches, one against Doc Henderson at 69 (not going to blame Sammy fully for this as Doc was penalized for low moral and has been for a while due to botched injury of Darryl Devine) and a 6 man tag with him and Mighty Meat vs The Syndicate of The Elite and Hawkins at 76.

 

I think given the right opposition he can still deliver in the ring, Segments he absolutely delivers, I have also played a few weeks since I posted the above message and I think i initially jumped the gun, I'm going to continue to roll with him as champ and as i said keep his 1vs1 for mainly PPVs but he's still a reasonable champ.

[TheOtherJamesCameron]

I posted earlier about my starting feud:

 

I had Aaron Andrews defend his title against different opponents: Sammy Bach and Jay Chord at Malice in Wonderland, Jay Chord at The War, Freddy Huggins at Battleground, and finally Doc Hammond at WAFTT as Wolf Hawkins' last resort heading into Total Mayhem in May. Felt like natural progression, really: Jay and Sammy start off in a feud, so having them draw for the first contendership and having Aaron face them both at Malice makes sense, as does having Jay asking for a 1 on 1 rematch at The War. Battleground is kind of a throwaway in the road to Total Mayhem so having him face Freddy Huggins who has the pop necessary there also makes sense. And then coming WAFTT, Doc Hammond as the Syndicate's last resort to getting the belt off of Aaron before Mayhem also makes sense - provided he has the pop to main event

 

And that's how I used Wolf Hawkins during the buildup - to give Doc Hammond enough pop to be a credible occasional main eventer and second in command to Wolf. So at Malice I had Wolf tag with Doc against OMA and Human Arsenal, with Doc pinning OMA. The War, had them beat Mighty Meaty who has high pop. Battleground has AI notes for 4v4 matches, so I used that to my advantage and booked a 5v5 match between The Syndicate and Rock Gods (Sammy Bach's stable), and April was just maintenance, you can have him beat Edd Stone, Sammy Bach, or OMA for example to keep his momentum high going into Mayhem.

 

Oh, that also made me realize that Total Mayhem is held in May.

 

Thank you! This definitely helped me out, especially with Wolf and Doc having great chemistry for me. I did Andrews/Huggins at Malice, with Wolf/Doc vs OMA/Arsenal (another chemistry match!) on the undercard and Bach/Chord going to a 30 minute draw to set up the 3 way in February. I will likely do a two month Wolf/Doc vs the Meat Boys ending in a cage match at Battleground and Mo going heel (and becoming "Primetime" Mohammad Barrett) on his partner after the loss to set up a match between them at Total Mayhem. The potential top faces are a little hard to find, but I have a much better feel for Mo as a heel. T-Bone should be ready pretty quick with everyone and their mother offering to put him over, plus I have another plan.

 

I think I will have Andrews retain at Total Mayhem and then have him lose it to Chord right after. Tommy Cornell's contract is coming up around then, and having him return as a babyface makes a ton of sense to me. I will throw as much money at him as I have to in order to bring him in.

 

The tag scene in TCW definitely needs a shot in the arm. I've brought in the Samoan Pitbulls and they will win the titles from the Behemoths right away. I'm thinking about bringing in a few teams (Rich & Famous, American Cobras, anyone else?) and doing a Tag Team invitational to debut them.

 

Greg Gauge is going to beat people for the TV title on every episode of Total Wrestling through at least Total Mayhem. May have him drop it to T-Bone not long after that, but maybe not. I wish the International belt wasn't scrapped, and I may bring it back in a tournament of some kind (I love tournaments). I'm trying to not have the TV title defended at all on PPVs, and I would like a second belt for PPV.

 

I'm thinking about running Saturday Night Showcase as a 4-5 times a year TV event in the mold of "Saturday Night's Main Event" or "Clash Of The Champions". A little worried the TV companies will want me to run it monthly though, so we will see.

 

An idea for the incoming excursions from PGHW, I have signed Yuta Isono and put him in MAW, but when he is ready I plan to bring him up and have him managed by Kammy Ling (who speaks Japanese and English), with a revolving stable of excursion guys running interference and acting as tag fodder.

[Hazemore]

The tag scene in TCW definitely needs a shot in the arm. I've brought in the Samoan Pitbulls and they will win the titles from the Behemoths right away. I'm thinking about bringing in a few teams (Rich & Famous, American Cobras, anyone else?) and doing a Tag Team invitational to debut them.

 

Ring Generals, Flex & Pecs, Dead Men Walking, Canadian Blondes and DeMarcus & Gray are all good shouts for tag teams

[Frank_Vest]

I've renamed Chance Fortune to Chance the Wrestler and it delights me to no end.

[BrokenCycle]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Frank_Vest" data-cite="Frank_Vest" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47616" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've renamed Chance Fortune to Chance the Wrestler and it delights me to no end.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> *Chance the Sports Entertainer</p>

[Teh_Showtime]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hazemore" data-cite="Hazemore" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47616" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ring Generals, Flex & Pecs, Dead Men Walking, Canadian Blondes and DeMarcus & Gray are all good shouts for tag teams</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Wild Cats are my pick </p><p> </p><p> They can easily carry the division as faces for the next 5-10 years. It’s much needed since The New Wave broke up.</p>

[Macca316]

https://imgur.com/RRjSj9O

 

Well damn it.... looks like my dilemma from a few posts back resolved itself...

[Kingster]

https://imgur.com/RRjSj9O

 

Well damn it.... looks like my dilemma from a few posts back resolved itself...

 

Well, there goes that Excessive Force main event.

[Hashasheen]

Does anyone here use vanity championships in TCW TEW20? One of the things I used to like about having the Cruiserweight, Hardcore and International titles in TCW (or the National and Television Titles in USPW) is that you didn't necessarily need to keep a division going to make them interesting. You could just sort of push guys who happened to have those titles around, making title defenses incidental or supplementary. I'd even pattern it to specific 'programming blocks', where an hour of television once a week could be 'presented' by a specific manager whose involved with that specific champion.

 

Now in 2020 you've only got the Television Title going which simplifies things a lot as the booking and pop systems get more complex, but I figured I'd ask if people were doing anything like that.

[Makhai]

Does anyone here use vanity championships in TCW TEW20? One of the things I used to like about having the Cruiserweight, Hardcore and International titles in TCW (or the National and Television Titles in USPW) is that you didn't necessarily need to keep a division going to make them interesting. You could just sort of push guys who happened to have those titles around, making title defenses incidental or supplementary. I'd even pattern it to specific 'programming blocks', where an hour of television once a week could be 'presented' by a specific manager whose involved with that specific champion.

 

Now in 2020 you've only got the Television Title going which simplifies things a lot as the booking and pop systems get more complex, but I figured I'd ask if people were doing anything like that.

 

TCW isn't the product to be using vanity titles. They toyed with concepts like Juniors divisions, to diversify their cards, but I don't consider secondary belts like this "vanity". The 24/7 title is a vanity belt. The Million Dollar Belt is a vanity belt, etc. Products like their's have to keep their belt over to make stars, and they've started shrinking, so a simplification makes a lot of sense.

[Macca316]

Well, there goes that Excessive Force main event.

 

That was at Excessive force, audible was called and for now Wolf is champ again.

[Hashasheen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Makhai" data-cite="Makhai" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="47616" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TCW isn't the product to be using vanity titles. They toyed with concepts like Juniors divisions, to diversify their cards, but I don't consider secondary belts like this "vanity". The 24/7 title is a vanity belt. The Million Dollar Belt is a vanity belt, etc. Products like their's have to keep their belt over to make stars, and they've started shrinking, so a simplification makes a lot of sense.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For me, the titles that make the stars are the TCW World Heavyweight and TCW World Tag Team titles, but even then a star has more leeway to get to those titles than otherwise. The other titles in TCW I use a little bit more akin to the multitude of titles in boxing across 4 worldwide governing bodies and across multiple promoters, which are a little bit more politically contested and fraught? </p><p> </p><p> So for example, maybe Floyd Goldworthy has a lock on the Hardcore Championship title scene, and occasionally he gets an hour block on TCW SNS where he's the third man in the booth and he's 'presenting' a title defense and so on. That said, 'his' Hardcore Champion obviously wants the top title, and a champion vs. champion match getting inked where his guy puts over a Tommy Cornell or whoever is perfectly fine in the 'business of TCW'.</p><p> </p><p> Another guy might be involved in the International scene, bringing over talents from Europe or Japan. Maybe a Koshiro Ino has room to play here as an outsider looking in on the World Title scene, or maybe an Eddie Cornell is holding this title to complement cousin Tommy as the World champion. </p><p> </p><p> To me, I do it like this with a national promotion because I don't like the sports entertainment model an SWF or WWE necessarily has, the model that WCW helped pioneered. If TCW is Wrestling the Sport, where the '10 Pounds of Gold' really matter and make the stars, then just like in real sports, there's gonna be developmental leagues, there's going to be farm leagues, there's going to be sports managers who aren't throwing a pair of brasses knuckles into the ring but instead making the major plays for their talents and shaping how the on-screen product is actually being produced. </p><p> </p><p> A part of that for me is always the lesser championships. Perhaps I have a different identifier for 'vanity' (to me, a Million Dollar Championship is a 'prop' title and a 24/7 title is a 'crash tv title'), but I do think there's merit to my madness within the confines of a TCW. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Lo-Drew]

Recently I ascribe to the idea that you would want all your titles to make money.

 

It was one of the reasons after Total Mayhem I gave the Tag titles to Doc and Wolf. I don't want to burn through World title matches every PPV and the Tag Team titles are a good way to cycle my top guys out of the World title picture while giving them something to do.

 

With the TV title, as I mentioned previously, I've used it as the T-Bone belt and he's risen in popularity. 18 combined defenses and was champion for nine of the twelve months. I actually like the idea of the TV title. For me, it's defended on TV every two weeks. 20 minute time limit. Can be defended on PPVs depending on feuds. Can cycle through lower end, mid card or even top tier guys depending on the champion.

 

I also don't have an authority figure but a "competition committee." Which is really TCW management but they determine who gets title shots, explain why certain people got title shots. Having Jason Azaria be the person who relays information and what not (it's a good use for him as he has good microphone skills and if he's getting phased out of announcing, he still has a use being an interviewer, etc).

[Hashasheen]

I've never dug the idea of a committee because it creates too many moving parts along with the above managerial system. I prefer a Dana White, a likeable douche who blatantly has favorites among the managers and wrestlers based on who he thinks is a star or less trouble to deal with. Most of the older guys get to be analysts as a result. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Jomosensual]

My personal way of doing an authority figure is to have a face run the show(usually it's been RDJ) who handles things like contract signings and the like and can be used to cut promos for segments.

[Jon The GOAT]

I like to have a GM of some sort handy but I havent used one much in my TCW game. Theres not enough space for segments and the matches have been relatively logical to book so I havent really needed it. I dont think its a bad idea to trot out a guy like RDJ to give the TCW's Booking Committee a voice but Dana White strat would work much the same.

 

EDIT: Actually the kayfabe idea of a Dana White type who is only concerned about money & booking big matches makes a ton of sense tbh and gives you a lot of booking excuses.

[Jomosensual]

Hit my first Total Mayhem. Might as well play a game of rate my card:

Jay Chord vs. Aaron Andrews© vs. Wolf Hawkins - TCW World Title

Sammy Bach vs. Joshua Taylor - 2/3 Falls

Greg Gauge© vs. Bryan Vessey - TCW TV Title

The Syndicate(Doc Hammond and Chris Flynn) vs. Dan Stone Jr and Edd Stone

Mighty Meaty vs. Sinner Society(Eddie Peak and Hijo Del Mephisto)

Benny Benson vs. Bret Starr

Pablo Rodriguez vs. Troy Tornado

Balconi Promotions(Matt Hocking and Maverick) vs. One Man Arsenal(Human Arsenal and One Man Army) vs. Devine Fortune vs. The Syndicate©(Freddy Huggins and Ernest Youngman) - TCW Tag Titles

 

Everyone else is in a 20 man battle royal on the preshow

[Ruthian23]

For some reason I've had the hardest time getting Wolf Hawkins really over in TCW. I don't seem to have any problem getting anyone else I want over, but Hawkins topped out at 80 and then after a loss to Andrews sat at 75 for like a year and a half despite doing a ton of winning, and is now down to 73. He's in very highly rated angles and matches all the time, but just doesn't seem to bump up like other guys have. Anyone else seen this at all?

[Jomosensual]

Oooooooh boy. Since I forgot to set contracts to random when I coverted my save for mod additions I just had Taylor, Bach, Angry Gilmore, Casey Valentine, Multimillionaro, Sara Marie York, and Jamie Quinne all have their contracts come up. Gonna be a wild few days in my save

[WCGreyghost]

For some reason I've had the hardest time getting Wolf Hawkins really over in TCW. I don't seem to have any problem getting anyone else I want over, but Hawkins topped out at 80 and then after a loss to Andrews sat at 75 for like a year and a half despite doing a ton of winning, and is now down to 73. He's in very highly rated angles and matches all the time, but just doesn't seem to bump up like other guys have. Anyone else seen this at all?

 

I'm having the same problem. Wolf is in all 5 of my top 5 highest rated matches, has only lost twice in 5 months, first in a triangle math where he did not take the pin, and then in the main event at Total Mayhem. He's got white hot momentum. And he's been stuck at 80-81 pop the whole time.