21CW Discussion Thread

[Dave E Mac]

<p>Can I just say 21cw is an absolutely brilliant place to start with TEW. It’s a fantastic size for getting to grips with a bigger fed but without bad many pressures. Honestly had the time of my life booking the Cornell’s in 16. They ran the place until Tommy’s ego being the greatest of all time drove everyone close away from him and turning Ed face for them to feud.</p><p> </p><p>

I also had Mike Adonis run a great Brexit gimmick with a stable of British ‘n’ Powerful where basically he’d call out foreign wrestlers for coming to this country and stealing the beating he planned on giving from British wrestlers. That was great fun. I suppose being a Brit I found quite a lot of tongue in cheek comedy from running it. But at the same time you can experiment without the pressure of other feds on your shoulders. And with tommy he’s basically your ace in the hole making sure you get decent ratings if all else fails! My only critic of 21cw is the sheer number of big guys to push. My preference is to have one or two monsters on the roster but they are blessed with a few.</p>

[Dave E Mac]

Also mega cheating for some. But my gm was a user created character. Cindy Smitten. An English wrestling mega fan. She came to fame on the hit reality show “Made in Essex”. Seen by many as just another ditzy blonde, it became clear she was much more than just sex on legs. With a fine business head on her shoulders she was intelligent enough to realise she could use her good looks to get where she wanted to go quicker in life. Jeff Nova used his media contacts to bring her in to try and bring a few more mainstream eyes on the product. Deliberately pretending to be ignorant of who many of the heels are drove them mad and won her many fans. Eventually she rose to the role of GM antagonising the Cornell’s or “Timmy and the other one” as she’d often refer to them as, much to their displeasure.

[consortium11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SWF Fan" data-cite="SWF Fan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48006" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Good ol Dunton is always my first point of call for 21 do that's not a bad shout and you've given me some really good options there as well.<p> </p><p> I'll see if there's a decent Colin Chalke re render about. </p><p> </p><p> I feel like 21 is the type of place being a Producer could work as an on seen but rarely seen role as well as off. Nova puts his trust in those working backstage since Cornell stepped down as Commish to make sure people have matches and issues are resolved. Splitting the somewhat large number of road agents and guys who would be slowing down and doing this kinda role a little more themselves would make sense especially as a lot of them would have been on screen. </p><p> </p><p> There's a lot of possibilities.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think who you pick for the role depends on what you want out of it. If you're looking for an authority figure who's referenced more than they're seen and on-camera basically just makes important announcements in short segments and/or videos (a sort of WWF Jack Tunny role or Tod Gordon from ECW) then someone like Chalke works; his backstory of being a respected, retired wrestler fits and he's not going to tank any ratings. If you want someone more actively involved then the likes of DJ Reason, Lee, Jones or even Nova himself fits better. If you are setting up a B-show then using one of Nova or Reason also frees up space at the commentators desk allowing Greeves and/or Rowly to start working.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dave E Mac" data-cite="Dave E Mac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48006" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My only critic of 21cw is the sheer number of big guys to push. My preference is to have one or two monsters on the roster but they are blessed with a few.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As much as USPW tends to get described as the "land of the giants" in the fluff, 21CW's right behind them at worst... even with the Ivanoff's leaving and Patterson retiring you've still got seven guys classed as "big heavyweights" on your starting roster (six of whom have menace 85+ and so firmly fit into the monster role) while you have seven other heavyweights with a menace over 80. Literally 25% of your active roster are heavyweights or higher with high menace scores.</p>

[Dave E Mac]

As much as USPW tends to get described as the "land of the giants" in the fluff, 21CW's right behind them at worst... even with the Ivanoff's leaving and Patterson retiring you've still got seven guys classed as "big heavyweights" on your starting roster (six of whom have menace 85+ and so firmly fit into the monster role) while you have seven other heavyweights with a menace over 80. Literally 25% of your active roster are heavyweights or higher with high menace scores.

 

I personally like one or two monsters to push on a roster. The issue with 21CW is with so many some of them have to lose. Which I guess is wrestling. But it’s hard as what makes some of those big guys who lose any different to the monsters I am pushing. I normally end up making those big guys who are losing bumbling idiots as how else could you be that big and lose?

[The Lloyd]

Also mega cheating for some. But my gm was a user created character. Cindy Smitten. An English wrestling mega fan. She came to fame on the hit reality show “Made in Essex”. Seen by many as just another ditzy blonde, it became clear she was much more than just sex on legs. With a fine business head on her shoulders she was intelligent enough to realise she could use her good looks to get where she wanted to go quicker in life. Jeff Nova used his media contacts to bring her in to try and bring a few more mainstream eyes on the product. Deliberately pretending to be ignorant of who many of the heels are drove them mad and won her many fans. Eventually she rose to the role of GM antagonising the Cornell’s or “Timmy and the other one” as she’d often refer to them as, much to their displeasure.

"Timmy and the other one!" :D This made me laugh. Great work!

 

I personally like one or two monsters to push on a roster. The issue with 21CW is with so many some of them have to lose. Which I guess is wrestling. But it’s hard as what makes some of those big guys who lose any different to the monsters I am pushing. I normally end up making those big guys who are losing bumbling idiots as how else could you be that big and lose?

Yeah, think WWF/WWE for how to make a big monster lose. Viscera, Mark Henry, Rikishi etc. They still know how to do it now. Bumbling idiots, comedy workers, that kind of thing. They will almost always be seen as mid card rather than enhancement, because they're so big!

 

My one small problem with 21CW is very aesthetic and such a small issue, but no one has hair!! Alfonso D'Angelo, Assassin, Beau Boulder (Balder?!), Bedlam, Blackheart, Brickhouse Balder (balder and balder!?), Doomsday, Edison Silva, Gorilla Lee, Grave Digger, you get the idea. They're all bald Do they get shaved/waxed in NSW? Haha!

[consortium11]

But it’s hard as what makes some of those big guys who lose any different to the monsters I am pushing?

 

Age, stats and position on the card are the obvious differences.

 

Nightmare has high menace but otherwise is pretty lacking in skills, at 33 he's not really someone you develop long term and his overness is pretty firmly at midcarder level. He's a pretty prototypical example of someone you don't push but instead use to get beaten by the guys you are pushing as they move up the card; in 2016 for me he had a reliable role as someone who (ab)used how easy it was to increase popularity with menace as a way to "transfer" that overness to other workers. Brickhouse Balder isn't that much better stats wise and only slightly more over but considering he's 28 he's someone I protect and develop far more; I may not necessarily push him but I don't have him lose regularly. War Machine is better than both (although with a lower menace score) and more over and at 27 has even more room to grow; he's someone I tend to give a "development push" to where I keep him strong and pair him with a more experienced veteran (either as an ally or opponent) to keep those skills growing etc etc.

 

I've always used a stable led by Faust as my sort of "dumping ground" for monster heels who I don't really have any direct plans to do much with individually which is now semi-official with the HellBound stable. It normally works pretty well; Faust is a solid enough worker to develop their skills in multi-man matches while he can do a lot to boost their performance skills by cutting interviews with them while his presence means that it makes sense both in gameplay and story terms for them to mix with people higher up on the card who can conceivably beat these monsters (and help train them even more). In my longer term saves Grave Digger in particular really benefited from getting to work with the likes of the Cornells, Matravers, Burton and Orson early on which meant by the time he was ready for a solo monster (no pun intended) push his skills were at the point where they didn't let him down.

[tormyb]

My one small problem with 21CW is very aesthetic and such a small issue, but no one has hair!! Alfonso D'Angelo, Assassin, Beau Boulder (Balder?!), Bedlam, Blackheart, Brickhouse Balder (balder and balder!?), Doomsday, Edison Silva, Gorilla Lee, Grave Digger, you get the idea. They're all bald Do they get shaved/waxed in NSW? Haha!

 

As a rapidly balding man in his twenties, there will be an negative correlation between the booking you get and the amount of hair you have.

 

I'm not saying that I'm wildly jealous and bitter, but you can have luscious locks or a good push, not both.

[Jaded]

As I've done for a few other big feds, I thought I'd play about booking/rebooking a 1st card in case it helped new players get ideas.

 

For your product, you're looking for around 35% angles on TV shows. Remember that can vary by 15% either way so anywhere between 20% and 50% is okay. Angles seem more variable this time around but pack enough in using your top guys and you should get at least 2 very good ones. (Regular focus, so best angle counts 70%, second best counts 20%.) It's the same product as SWF in most ways BUT the big difference is the 'regular focus' for matches, meaning as in old TEW games, the main counts for 70%, second best match 20%, and average of the rest 10%. This is huge, and good for you because depending on time decline stuff, Tommy and Eddie should be able to carry your mains. (Famous last words...)

 

Big issue is that you need 5 storylines at 65 heat or above, and you only have 2. (Edward vs Tommy with BW Eddie and Doomsday as backup for Edward, Three Man Army vs Roly Muckletruck/Sifu/Storm, with Leigh Burton/Luke Cool on 63 and Apollo Prince vs Daniel Black Francis on 56. I add in the usually-reliable Adam Matravers vs Rolling Johnny Stones, along with Matravers's manager Phoebe Plumridge, for another storyline, and The Red Devils - stable-mates of Edward Cornell's - and Absolutely Flawless as another. The teams have incredible experience, which can often count for a lot.

 

Major Stars

 

Edward Cornell (Red Hot) - incredibly, ahead of his cousin in the roster list, and just as popular as the legend in the UK. Very good psychology, decent charisma. Giving performer which means he should make lesser opponents look good. Legendary gimmick, as well.

 

Tommy Cornell. (Red Hot) - the man, for so many years, but surely starting to lose a step? Superb technician with phenomenal psychology and outstanding charisma/mic skills. Another giving performer, and very creative, making him more likely to come up with cool spots.

 

Adam Matravers (Very Warm) - outstanding psychology, decent charisma, very good technician/aerial wrestler. Multi-time champion in 21CW. Only a shade below the Cornells at popularity. However his aerial style has NOT been kind to his body.

 

 

Stars

 

Leigh Burton (Hot) - Your only Star, apart from road agent Clifford Wilson. Stuck in a heel vs heel feud.

 

 

Best of the Rest

 

Beast Bantom is a monster with actual psychology. Hot Stuff start with Cooled momentum but have 100 experience and a tag specialist bonus, alongside good psych. Martin Brothers, again, combined psychology/experiece/tag specialist bonus. Sebastian Koller has decent entertainment and superb psychology. The big bust at the moment is probably Jonathan Faust, a mainstay for years, whose dodgy knee makes him a real risk now. (Edit after running the show - ignore me, I don't know what I'm talking about!)

 

 

Okay, so, booking.

 

Main event is going to be Edward Cornell vs Adam Matravers. I don't particuarly want to give away a clean finish to a match between two of our top three wrestlers, and I need to get Stones vs Matravers going, so I'll have Stones distract Matravers by hitting on Phoebe, causing the loss. I WILL make it for the title; I generally don't like doing title fights on TV but let's get the year off to a hot start. We'll add a hype video, and a post-match section in which Stones has disappeared and Phoebe consoles Adam, only for Edward to taunt him. I'm going to add Tommy on guest commentary for this one, as well. Open, slow build, call in ring.

 

For a semi-main, I'm going to add The Red Devils and BW Eddie vs Absolutely Flawless and Tommy, adding some allies to Tommy's cause and hopefully getting the tag feud going with a bang. No need to build to this, but after Tommy gets the pinfall victory, I'll add in him calling out his cousin, then taking DJ Reason's place at the commentary table, which DJ may eventually not be too happy about...

 

I'm actually only going to put in one more match for now, a massive one. Hot Stuff, Luke Cool, Leigh Barton and Apollo Prince vs Daniel Black Francis, Roly Muckletruck, Sifu/Storm and Sebastian Koller. Muckletruck to win, pinning Barton after miscommunication between the uneasy teammates of him and Luke Cool. This is my storytelling match, there mainly to get across the issues between Barton and Cool.

 

Angles needed to fill the time out. Wade Orson's going to come out and challenge Bedlam for next week; the UK champion won't respond. We'll open with Edward taunting Tommy, because in general, opening with a big angle gets the crowd hot. After the big tag match, we'll throw in a 4 minute hype vid for the Cornells feud. I'll then cut to Cliff King directing traffic as the Three Man Army attack Roly Muckletruck as he heads backstage after the match.

 

What else? Okay, Faust doesn't have much going on. HelBound, his stable, are feuding with the rising stars. Let's give him an angle in which he mysteriously talks about HellBound expanding, and figure out exactly what that means next week. (I love that you can now use road agent notes to move storylines forward, by the way!)

 

Screw it, let's go for one more match. Antithesis (the former Harry Wilson) and Joe Simpson have little to do and are on very warm momentum. I'm going to kick things off with the two of them in an all out clash with Joe getting a roll-up for something of an upset to kick off a feud. Because we definitely don't have enough of THEM.

 

 

For dark matches, I'm going with Three Man Army vs Flynn/Alpass/Vigilante, Andrew Lee/Assassin/Beau Boulder over Mark Misery/Philip Cooper/Smiling John Smithie, and Faust over Welsh Dragon all out to open things up.

 

 

Here we go.

 

Faust win is 48. (JF 59, WD 22.) Faust bonuses for gimmick/star quality/charisma/all out. Dragon penalised for inexperienced/trying to go all out. Usual announcers/road agents bonuses which I won't say any more. Poor chem between them.

 

Lee's team winning gets 39. (Lee 56, Asssassin 35, Boulder 33, Cooper 68, Misery 51, Smithie 50.) Lee and Cooper get charisma bonuses, Cooper/Lee/Assassin bonuses for SQ and for gimmicks, Misery for managerial help. Smithie/Boulder get penalties for being inexperienced, plus Boulder for being inconsistent. Reason and Smith clash horribly, and the segment rating is also penalised because "Not everyone was following the script."

 

Okay, checking that out back in the office, Assassin is scatterbrained so doesn't do well in scripted matches. Speaking of which, I hadn't noticed we WERE automatically scripting. I take DJ out of the rest of the matches tonight, which means I also have to take him out of the angle with the Cornells. Time later to figure out what to do with him.

 

Three Man Army six-man gets 55. (War Machine 67, Adonis 58, Hulk 50, Vinny 26, Evan 30, Darin 39.) Three Man Army all get bonuses for star quality, Adonis and War Machine for great gimmicks, Adonis/Hulk for charisma, Adonis for momentum and War Machine for managerial help. Faces all get penalised for being inexperienced and Alpass for inconsistency, as well as Hulk for poor psychology.

 

Edward Cornell kicks things off with a 99 promo. Wow. Bonuses for improvising well, a legendary gimmick, good momentum. Penalised for low storyline heat!

 

Antithesis vs Joe gets 52. (Anti 64, Joe 60, but Anti breaks his jaw which screws things up. Both momentum bonuses but stamina penalties. Anti gets bonuses for selling and good momentum, Anti gets penalised for trying to go all out. Lack of associated storyline is another penalty. (Which is weird, because I started a storyline here, although it may just mean that it's not hot enough.) Bonus for being done to a hot crowd, though.

 

Orson gets 64, with a bonus for improvising well, and another for being done to a hot crowd.

 

5 vs 5 gets 70, advancing and gaining heat for both storylines involved. (Sifu/Storm 68 each, Koller 69, Rory 60, DBF 65, Apollo 62, Cool 65, Burton 73, Cash 72, Buff 73.) Charisma/star quality bonuses for everyone except Sifu and Cash, momentum for Prince, Burton, and all faces except DBF. Gimmicks for Roly, Ricky, Buff, Cool and Prince, Koller for being an amazing babyface, Prince for being an amazing heel, and Cash for selling. Oh, and Buff for managerial help. Cool, Cash, Roly, Ricky and DBF for inconsistency, but a very hot crowd bonus.

 

Cornells music vid gets 83, limited for being short.

 

Takeover attacking Roly gets 61, everyone getting gimmick bonuses, plus Mark and Adonis for momentum, and a very hot crowd bonus again.

 

Six-man gets 82. (Tommy 90, Lance 66, Kelly 65, Viktor 68, Yuri 61, Eddie 58.) As well as very hot crowd bonus, both teams get experience bonuses, Viktor and Tommy for good momentum, star quality for all 3 faces and Viktor, great gimmicks for Viktor and Eddie, charisma for Tommy. Only penalty is Yuri inconsistency.

 

Faust gets an incredible 92 which is outstanding for someone with lousy momentum; he did a masterful job interacting with the crowd. Great gimmick bonus, too.

 

Back to the ring, and Tommy Cornell's promo gets 87, limited at 5 minutes for being short. (Faust's was 6, for reference.)

 

Matravers vs Eddie gets a phenomenal 94 with an incendiary crowd, selling/star quality/charisma/momentum bonuses for both guys, Edward for slow build and legendary gimmick, and segment for very hot crowd and title prestige.

 

Post-match Phoebe/Edward/Adam segment gets 86, boosted by the crowd and by momentum/improvising/gimmick bonuses.

 

82 overall, increasing pop in 33 regions but dragged down by our storylines not being hot enough.

 

 

Okay, great card but ouch at those storylines. I'm going to try it again with just two changes - have Three Man Army attack a jobber rather than Roly, leaving their storyline where it is. And adding in a storyline between Koller, Buff and Cash, which should start with the tag match and hopefully get above 65.

 

Wow, Edward gets 100! Main event 91 this time.

 

89, increasing pop in 39 regions. Nice.

 

So, what did we learn there?

 

Momentum is, as always, incredibly important.

 

Storylines are huge, and too many of yours suck. Start new ones and make sure they're kicking things off in high rated matches or angles.

 

Both Cornells and Faust are ridiculously good.

 

Skewing towards the high end of the angle ratio seems more likely to be reliable than matches. (Remember, you can go 50% angles with the way it's currently set up.)

[The Nickman]

Skewing towards the high end of the angle ratio seems more likely to be reliable than matches. (Remember, you can go 50% angles with the way it's currently set up.)

Bloody brilliant work as always, mate. Just on this last note, I only ever play as sports entertainment style fed (WWF/WCW late 90s/early 00s, or RAW in the C’Verse) and I’ve found a a tried and true formula for booking is ALWAYS push your angle ratio to the extreme.

 

You simply need two high rated 100 angles (either Rock, Austin, Hogan, Swoop McCarthy entertainment angles) per show with a close to 50% angle rating and you’re immediately looking at a 80-90 show provided you have a solid main event (70 plus).

 

Then you’re basically free to do whatever you want with the undercard.

 

I love the way you do these writeups, so much detail. I should really do one for RAW, but I probably won’t.

[The Nickman]

Also on the “momentum being important” comment, I’ve noticed a HUGE difference starting a new game booking RAW between patch #6 and #7 after the short term momentum issue has been fixed.

 

It really does make a big difference.

[Jaded]

I love the way you do these writeups, so much detail. I should really do one for RAW, but I probably won’t.

 

At some point I'll do one for RAW too but I would LOVE to see your version because your cards look fabulous!

[The Nickman]

At some point I'll do one for RAW too but I would LOVE to see your version because your cards look fabulous!

Hmmm, ok, let’s see what I can do. It’s a long weekend here, so I may as well pop into the office to type it out on my work computer with two monitors. Give me a couple of hours.

 

Hope you don’t mind if I shamelessly steal your format!

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Nickman" data-cite="The Nickman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48006" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hmmm, ok, let’s see what I can do. It’s a long weekend here, so I may as well pop into the office to type it out on my work computer with two monitors. Give me a couple of hours.<p> </p><p> Hope you don’t mind if I shamelessly steal your format!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'd be honoured. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Just planning my card now with them. Wow, there is a LOT of segments needed!!</p>

[consortium11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48006" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The big bust at the moment is probably<strong> Jonathan Faust</strong>, a mainstay for years, whose dodgy knee makes him a real risk now. (Edit after running the show - ignore me, I don't know what I'm talking about!)</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I note you've already said to ignore this but just to make it clear for everyone, while his bio talks about him noticeably slowing down since 2016 the only significant differences are a drop in resilience (putting him down to the low 60's) and the "troublesome knee" attribute which means he'll take more wear-and-tear to his legs. Outside of that his skills are fundamentally what they were last edition; marginally higher brawling vs marginally lower aerial and flashiness (not that they were impressive to begin with), slightly improved fundamental skills against a slight drop in athleticism etc etc all of which are basically within variance if you play with that on.</p><p> </p><p> Is the drop in resilience an issue? Somewhat. Faust is often a guy it's easy to build storylines around both because of his mechnical combination of great performance skills, good enough wrestling and overness and because he's just a fun character to think up plots for. You can slot him almost anywhere in the card to do almost anything you want; with a stable of development monsters you can have him in a storyline like his existing one taking lower-carders but he's just as comfortable targeting people near the top of the card. More frequent injuries are clearly not a good thing in such circumstances. That said we'll have to see just <em>how</em> injury prone a low 60's resilience actually makes someone and in my games over the years I've actually kept him out of the ring a fair amount anyway with his matches either being at the PPV's or in multi-mans. The fact Stevie Stoat has left means that you can't hide him in the Faust and the Furious (although if you are truly desperate you can always hire Stoat back) but I rarely did that anyway and there's enough ways to get most of the benefits of having him while protecting his knee.</p>

[The Nickman]

I'd be honoured.

 

Just planning my card now with them. Wow, there is a LOT of segments needed!!

Haha yeah, I’ve done mine now and posted it in the RAW thread, check it out... twenty-two segments!

[Dave E Mac]

Can I just say a bit thank you to consortium11 and jaded for some amazing input here on my favourite company. I’m no 21CW but would say as far as c verse goes I know then the best. But your input on these threads even for someone like me who has a bit of a clue about them is fantastic. Keep up the good work!

[AceCodey]

<p>As Consortium has mentioned, not a lot has changed with 21CW and I think it can be quite difficult to find something really interesting to do with the roster - it's very samey to how they were in 2016. This makes enough sense and I wouldn't even say it's an objectively negative thing, but it makes things tough for people who have played plenty of 21CW. </p><p> </p><p>

That being said, where there's a will, there's a way. Here's some ideas I've been playing with:</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Youth Movement</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

21CW has an extremely youthful roster, but the pre-set National School of Wrestling graduates are beginning to dry out now. The British Isles have a lot of great talent, but if you want to really kick things up a notch, splurge money into improving the NSoW. You can easily get it up to 100% in both Training Level and Facilities and still have a decent amount of money left over. </p><p> </p><p>

Why would you do this? Well, a big complaint people have with 21CW is that their roster has been stagnant. By maxing out your Dojo, you'll receive around 12 (likely) high-quality graduates every single year. Who knows what sort of gems you could uncover? </p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Big Boy Division</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

21CW has a lot of bald monster heels. It's honestly the worst part about the roster for me to be honest. But why not use all this beef to your advantage? </p><p> </p><p>

Set up a Super-Heavyweight Division (or whatever name you like the best) with its own title, and essentially have it be a clash of the titans between all of your hardest hitting 400 pounders. The ratings probably won't be excellent, but hey, a lot of these big lads are good brawlers, so that's something to work with. And you'll never have a problem with storyline heat thanks to the ludicrous menace stats.</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Women's Division</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

This is if you want a real project. There's a very decent amount of good female talent in the British Isles and Europe, and with the new Talk To Worker feature you're also gonna be able to convince international wrestlers to become active in the UK. 21CW being 21CW, I also wouldn't put it past them to just hire some girls with high SA and throw them in there as wrestlers, so you've got a lot of options. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Wrestling World Cup </span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

Thanks again to the Talk To Worker feature, there has never been a better time to acquire international talent on at least a part-time basis. You've also got working agreements and such, but 21CW are known for being quite isolationist so if you'd prefer not to do that for roleplay reasons that's understandable. </p><p> </p><p>

Either way you should have NO problem getting talent from a wide variety of nations, so why not host a World Cup? It could operate as a singles/tag/six man/etc tournament. Also, taking advantage of the new brand product feature, you could probably set it up with a more work-rate based product so that you're not bombing Best of British Wrestling with the occasional low-pop guy. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Tommy Loses</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

The Cornell vs. Cornell feud has been finally set up, and there's a lot of directions you can take it, but with heel Edward needing to be dethroned, I feel like the story lends itself to Tommy defeating his brother. </p><p> </p><p>

But I don't think that's how the story needs to go. </p><p> </p><p>

This is Edward's company, after all. He's the one who helped 21CW on their rise to the top, not Tommy. He's the one who had to work hard and make a name for himself, instead of being born gifted like Tommy. Edward is probably second only to Adam Matravers in terms of being the quintessential 21CW figure, why should he lose? </p><p> </p><p>

This also gives you the chance to hand that huge dethroning Edward moment to someone else - maybe a rising talent?</p><p> </p><p>

<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Faction Warfare</span></strong></p><p> </p><p>

21CW's roster is bloody huge, one of the largest in the world, in fact. There's a good mix of wrestling styles, a fair amount of charismatic figures, and, as has been established, a LOT of muscle. The roster honestly seems perfect for stable-warfare, and you've already got three established at the start of the game.</p>

[Dave E Mac]

I think the roster, for a 2016 player, feels very much like a comfortable pair of shoes. Which actually suits me as I had a great time booking them in 2016. The only thing that I regret was not doing a dynasty. But now I think for 2020 I will as nothing has drastically changed from what I’d done anyway with 16!

[Jaded]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dave E Mac" data-cite="Dave E Mac" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48006" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can I just say a bit thank you to consortium11 and jaded for some amazing input here on my favourite company. I’m no 21CW but would say as far as c verse goes I know then the best. But your input on these threads even for someone like me who has a bit of a clue about them is fantastic. Keep up the good work!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks Dave!</p><p> </p><p> Codey, LOVE that post - amazing stuff. Super heavyweight division is something I'd never considered but which would be great for 21CW.</p>

[Dave E Mac]

Thanks Dave!

 

Codey, LOVE that post - amazing stuff. Super heavyweight division is something I'd never considered but which would be great for 21CW.

 

There’s a good chance I’ll steal that heavy weight division idea!!

[SWF Fan]

That Super Heavyweight division is genius.

 

It's almost marketable as a B Show completely. Put it on late Saturday night for the Dads who remember when wrestling was wrestling and probably know about the likes of Christian Faith, Sam Strong and co from the Wrestling glory days and just have an hour of hosses beating each other senseless, looking to be the best big man in the company. Eventually you really could just bring them up to the "main show" again, once they realise there's more fame and infamy there.

 

Even if you interject it with some hype videos and stuff for the main rivalries, you can have a decent little show there.

 

Women's wrestling wise, part of me feels like someone like Cliff Wilson (or even Pit Bull or DJ) would find post retirement a want and need to train not just guys, especially someone like Cliff who's not the biggest, and potentially would get Nova to invest in a secondary smaller school specifically for women's wrestling.

 

It'd give you some serious newgens every year that could maybe stand up to the quality of a women's division, alongside some International/European talent. It could seriously open up the company and country to being a hotbed for women's wrestling.

[The Nickman]

I think the roster, for a 2016 player, feels very much like a comfortable pair of shoes. Which actually suits me as I had a great time booking them in 2016. The only thing that I regret was not doing a dynasty. But now I think for 2020 I will as nothing has drastically changed from what I’d done anyway with 16!

 

Please do! I think with the C’Verse I really need a good dynasty to get me familiar with the characters so I want to play!!

[AceCodey]

<p>Thanks to everyone complimenting the Super Heavyweight Division idea! I thought I'd expand on it a little and share what my plans are for it. </p><p> </p><p>

I'm thinking the 21CW Titans Division has a neat ring to it, and also means I don't necessarily have to restrict myself to just Super Heavyweights. I'm thinking around 300lbs is the cut-off point. </p><p> </p><p>

My planned initial roster of the division will include <strong>Beast Bantom</strong>, who will pretty much be carrying our matches. <strong>Blackheart, Brickhouse Balder, Doomsday, Gorilla Lee, Grave Digger, Kelvin Badberry, Langton Herring, Mass Hulk</strong> (when he's not on tag duty), <strong>Nightmare, Roly Muckletruck</strong> (another key man to build this whole scene around), <strong>Ruin,</strong> and finally <strong>War Machine</strong> will all also be involved. </p><p> </p><p>

Bedlam is a notable exclusion, and that's pretty much because I don't plan on having him lose the 21CW United Kingdom title for quite some time. </p><p> </p><p>

At the moment I'm operating under the idea that this is going to be something of a fluid division, but honestly there's enough people here that I think SWFFan's idea of making it its own separate show would work very well. Much to think about.</p>

[Dave E Mac]

Thanks to everyone complimenting the Super Heavyweight Division idea! I thought I'd expand on it a little and share what my plans are for it.

 

I'm thinking the 21CW Titans Division has a neat ring to it, and also means I don't necessarily have to restrict myself to just Super Heavyweights. I'm thinking around 300lbs is the cut-off point.

 

My planned initial roster of the division will include Beast Bantom, who will pretty much be carrying our matches. Blackheart, Brickhouse Balder, Doomsday, Gorilla Lee, Grave Digger, Kelvin Badberry, Langton Herring, Mass Hulk (when he's not on tag duty), Nightmare, Roly Muckletruck (another key man to build this whole scene around), Ruin, and finally War Machine will all also be involved.

 

Bedlam is a notable exclusion, and that's pretty much because I don't plan on having him lose the 21CW United Kingdom title for quite some time.

 

At the moment I'm operating under the idea that this is going to be something of a fluid division, but honestly there's enough people here that I think SWFFan's idea of making it its own separate show would work very well. Much to think about.

 

Honestly this is such a good idea hats off to you!

 

I’d also like to say a titans division is essentially Vince McMahons wet dream! Obviously he hates the idea of 205 live but a show of just giants is everything he would love! 🤣

[Dave E Mac]

Please do! I think with the C’Verse I really need a good dynasty to get me familiar with the characters so I want to play!!

 

I think I’m going to start the planning of it today. I don’t book particularly quickly. So I won’t need to worry about it only being a demo at the moment. I also need to get my head around then new game a bit more so I don’t totally tank the ratings!