Not Gaining Popularity

[Eastshire]

<p>I've run around 5 test games now where I've started a new federation in the Great Lakes. I start out as a 10 in Great Lakes. I've run anywhere from 4 to 10 shows in each of those games. In only one case was the show rated less than 25 and usually in the high 20s low 30s.</p><p> </p><p>

The only one of these shows which gave a report of "this show increased popularity" was in a deathmatch company with the show autobooked without enough deathmatches. That show was the only show rated below 20.</p><p> </p><p>

So I put it to you: is there a bug in gaining popularity or does it just take more than two months to warm up the crowd?</p>

[Blackman]

I had the same thing with CWW. I had a 30 to 38 show I think (I know I suck ) and my pop, which is a whoppin' 12, did not go up.

 

You shouldn't need to warm up to the crowd when you're already years in business. I figured you might need a minimum of attendance (I had 88), but how are you supposed to get any pop if that's the requirement? Then I thought I might've gained .8 and it's not enough to increase to 13, but then I read this.

 

This can't be a bug, can it, or someone would've long seen it. What are we missing?

[D-Lyrium]

Check the wrestling industry. If it's in the toilet, gains will be pretty hard.

[Blackman]

Check the wrestling industry. If it's in the toilet, gains will be pretty hard.

 

Thanks for your reply, but "pretty hard" as in "you gotta have 40 points higher to get it up" seems a bit ridiculous. You might as well take half a year off then.

 

So I can basically book a show where The Minor Annoyance main events CWW. As nobody seems to give a hoot anyway. Cheaper too.

[Eastshire]

Check the wrestling industry. If it's in the toilet, gains will be pretty hard.

 

My test games have been all over from a low of 19 to a higher of 80. I think being 20+ over in an 80 industry would increase your popularity but no dice.

[D-Lyrium]

My test games have been all over from a low of 19 to a higher of 80. I think being 20+ over in an 80 industry would increase your popularity but no dice.

 

Hmmm, that does seem weird...

[LucasLutkus]

Same issue here.

[Capelli King]

This could be an error.

[Powerful_Fox]

My Industry is average and rising, I have 12 pop in my region, had 4 shows all above mid 30's, still at 12.

[Blackman]

I haven't had a chance to play much yet, but what size is CWW? 88 seems SO small.

 

And to think it's been patched to increase attendance. I did screw up as I advertised someone to appear and he didn't, but THE FANS DIDN'T KNOW THAT, at least not until after the show , so it shouldn't have impacted attendance (according to the manual). The road agent notes didn't tell me I got a penalty though, which is strange, as the post-show report did in TEW16.

 

CWW is the smallest promotion in the game, so it does make sense. I also prebooked some attractive matches so I hate to see what the default value is.

[TOTKingNothing]

A couple of things:

 

Firstly I do think they made it inherently harder. But there is also a few other things to consider.

 

First the wrestling industry if in decline makes growth harder

 

Second, your company has a momentum score and if it’s low, I think pop grows slower too.

 

I made a custom promotion in British Columbia and it starts at 20 pop, and I’ve had some saves where after 8 weekly (very successfully rated) events, my pop has grown to 22 or 23, but my pop in spillover areas has grown more than 8 points. I’ve also had one or two of these saves (same company, doing multiple tests and edits) where i gained like five pop after a month.

 

So there’s clearly a lot at play.

[Powerful_Fox]

Admittedly my prestige levels in mine are shocking so that might well be a factor.

[Falcon21]

Here's my experience:

 

Ran 4 shows in Ontario with a company of 17 pop. 4 shows were rated 41, 42, 44 and 45 to audiences of 120-150. Economy in Canada is 23 and the Wrestling industry is at 80.

 

Feels like I should have gained at least 1 pop for running 4 shows that were more than 20 rating over my company size to a crowd of 100+ people.

 

This seems like a bug or certainly something that can be adjusted. If not it's going to be dang hard to gain popularity!

[awesomenessofme1]

This is something I mentioned in a different thread, but the inability to see decimals in the in-game editor is really annoying in situations like this. If that was there, you guys would be able to easily and accurately check to see if you'd gained any popularity.

[SirMichaelJordan]

A couple of things:

 

Firstly I do think they made it inherently harder. But there is also a few other things to consider.

 

First the wrestling industry if in decline makes growth harder

 

Second, your company has a momentum score and if it’s low, I think pop grows slower too.

 

I made a custom promotion in British Columbia and it starts at 20 pop, and I’ve had some saves where after 8 weekly (very successfully rated) events, my pop has grown to 22 or 23, but my pop in spillover areas has grown more than 8 points. I’ve also had one or two of these saves (same company, doing multiple tests and edits) where i gained like five pop after a month.

 

So there’s clearly a lot at play.

 

This have been my experience. Seem like there is more factors at play but I am gaining popularity. Either way 2 months is a small sample size especially since you could be gaining in decimals but the game only showing you whole numbers.

[D-Lyrium]

It feels like we're talking about two different issues in this thread.

 

The original issue, as I understood it, was that the user was putting on a show 20-30 points over his company's popularity and getting the "No popularity changes" note on the final show results screen. This is weird, as surely you should be gaining *something* if you're outperforming your popularity by that much, even in a fairly weak industry?

 

The second issue is that people are running a few shows and noticing that their popularity score hasn't increased yet. This is perfectly normal and could be due to any number of factors.

 

They're different things though. I can see why being told that your show literally had no effect on your popularity even though its rating was double your popularity would be disheartening. On the other hand, not gaining a pop point after a two-month demo could be, under certain circumstances, perfectly normal.

[Eastshire]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="D-Lyrium" data-cite="D-Lyrium" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It feels like we're talking about two different issues in this thread.<p> </p><p> The original issue, as I understood it, was that the user was putting on a show 20-30 points over his company's popularity and getting the "No popularity changes" note on the final show results screen. This is weird, as surely you should be gaining *something* if you're outperforming your popularity by that much, even in a fairly weak industry?</p><p> </p><p> The second issue is that people are running a few shows and noticing that their popularity score hasn't increased yet. This is perfectly normal and could be due to any number of factors.</p><p> </p><p> They're different things though. I can see why being told that your show literally had no effect on your popularity even though its rating was double your popularity would be disheartening. On the other hand, not gaining a pop point after a two-month demo could be, under certain circumstances, perfectly normal.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That’s correct. I’m specifically being told I gained no popularity. Maybe it says that unless you actually roll a number up or down but in my USPW tests every show gets something.</p>

[Eastshire]

Just to add it may be you need to actually roll a pop number. That would explain why the worst show in all my new fed tests is the only one which increased popularity.

[D-Lyrium]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eastshire" data-cite="Eastshire" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That’s correct. I’m specifically being told I gained no popularity. Maybe it says that unless you actually roll a number up or down but in my USPW tests every show gets something.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah, in my test game (created Tiny UK company) I'm gaining in every show, but haven't increased a whole point yet. The not gaining a point yet part is normal and expected (poor industry, low momentum to start with) but I'm being told on every show that I've gained in popularity (except the one where I main evented with Bali Daljit vs. Jermaine Granger by accident but let's never mention that again - and it still didn't LOSE pop <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).</p>

[TOTKingNothing]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eastshire" data-cite="Eastshire" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48260" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That’s correct. I’m specifically being told I gained no popularity. Maybe it says that unless you actually roll a number up or down but in my USPW tests every show gets something.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh then that seems like a bug.</p>

[Blackman]

Yeah we're definitely getting the "no increase" note on the first show, but the second one did give me the note.

 

The weird thing is that the show was worse. I didn't pre-book two awesome matches this time. More people showed up (120) because I made it free. Wow, I guess we know how many people care.

 

Weird that you also can't see the decimals in the Access file.

 

I went from 60 to 64 prestige, but I didn't keep track of the output of the first show.

[Cyhort]

For the people who are getting slow pop gain, what coverage do you have? If you don't have TV, or have TV with tiny or small coverage, pop gains are naturally going to be slow, since not a lot of people are seeing your product. I'm using an owned broadcaster with huge coverage in the US with my medium promotion, and I've jumped 2 pop points (60-62) with just two shows, one with a 65 rating and one with a 73.

[Blackman]

The slow pop gain is understandable and is not a problem. It might be a balance change because it was indeed too easy to climb in TEW16 (imo).

 

The problem is the absence of any pop gain, even though the conditions listed in the manual were met.

 

I (and I assume Fox) are playing CWW, which is insignificant. I must add that my world settings are 24/21, so it's quite atrocious. I guess that makes sense.

 

I'm just fooling around atm, but for a new player that might've spend half an hour finetuning his show, it must be very motivating to keep playing when the game says: "yeah, well, you've basically booked this for nothing".

[awesomenessofme1]

Turns out that the exact numbers are laid out in the handbook. I'd recommend checking out the section "Growing Your Company" under "Running Your Company". It says you should only need to beat your popularity by 5 points, and beating it by 12.5 points should be enough for maximum gains. Not sure what's going on here. The events you're looking at are Normal intent, right?

[Blackman]

We've checked the handbook, dude, which is what you should do to before you play this game. We know we should gain, and we don't. That's the problem.

 

It might be the low attendance, but 5SSW managed to grow 3% during the course of the demo and they've only gotten one televised event in.