Killing the Business BETA Release

[CloudStrife888]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gazwefc83" data-cite="gazwefc83" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>All stables have different types for example:<p> </p><p> Brotherhood - New Day, The Elite, The Rascalz</p><p> Cult - The Dark Order, OVE</p><p> Alliance - Inner Circle, Undisputed Era, Villain Enterprises, Lucha House Party</p><p> Factions - CHAOS, Bullet Club, Suzuki Gun</p><p> </p><p> The likes of The Allure are set to female only and the Desi Hit Squad has no new members set</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right, but I think what's happening is that the game is disbanding the Cults, Brotherhoods, Factions, etc. and for some reason, it leaves the Alliances alone.</p>

[OTTAPPS]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CloudStrife888" data-cite="CloudStrife888" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Right, but I think what's happening is that the game is disbanding the Cults, Brotherhoods, Factions, etc. and for some reason, it leaves the Alliances alone.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do we know if this is a game bug? Seems odd for it to do this for certain stables.</p>

[CloudStrife888]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="OTTAPPS" data-cite="OTTAPPS" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do we know if this is a game bug? Seems odd for it to do this for certain stables.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It seems like maybe it's working as intended? A few people have said it happens in C-Verse games too. </p><p> </p><p> The quickest fix for it is to just set all stables to be "Alliance". It seems like the game doesn't disband them with the quickness then, but they do tend to alter them a lot.</p>

[gazwefc83]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CloudStrife888" data-cite="CloudStrife888" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It seems like maybe it's working as intended? A few people have said it happens in C-Verse games too. <p> </p><p> The quickest fix for it is to just set all stables to be "Alliance". It seems like the game doesn't disband them with the quickness then, but they do tend to alter them a lot.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Im not willing to use a work around and have incorrect data in the mod just to allow the game to run as it should. Adam will get everything fixed, we just need to wait it out.</p><p> </p><p> On the subject of waiting it out...</p><p> </p><p> BETA V11</p><p> </p><p> Just received a run time error 3077 on the loading screen, "Syntax error (missing operator) in expression."</p><p> </p><p> Just loaded up the game again and it happened again, I seem to be stuck at Week 2 January 2021 <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[gazwefc83]

Updated pic pack - 04/05/20 - <a href="https://www.mediafire.com/file/wfdaej1z6z9i9ky/KTB2020.rar/file" rel="external nofollow">https://www.mediafire.com/file/wfdaej1z6z9i9ky/KTB2020.rar/file</a>

[NowThenMates]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gazwefc83" data-cite="gazwefc83" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Im not willing to use a work around and have incorrect data in the mod just to allow the game to run as it should. Adam will get everything fixed, we just need to wait it out.<p> </p><p> On the subject of waiting it out...</p><p> </p><p> BETA V11</p><p> </p><p> Just received a run time error 3077 on the loading screen, "Syntax error (missing operator) in expression."</p><p> </p><p> Just loaded up the game again and it happened again, I seem to be stuck at Week 2 January 2021 <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Very strange I was having the issue where I couldn't get past week 2 jan 2021 in Patch 10 but Patch 11 seems to have fixed it for me. Hopefully 12 fixes it for you!</p><p> </p><p> On the mod itself it's as great as always IMO. The skin, pic pack and database are just unbelievable.</p>

[gazwefc83]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="NowThenMates" data-cite="NowThenMates" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="48694" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Very strange I was having the issue where I couldn't get past week 2 jan 2021 in Patch 10 but Patch 11 seems to have fixed it for me. Hopefully 12 fixes it for you!<p> </p><p> On the mod itself it's as great as always IMO. The skin, pic pack and database are just unbelievable.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks bud, the data is is still being worked on massively.</p><p> </p><p> Today i have add:</p><p> </p><p> Starting morale to the workers released by WWE (Only average but WWE were signing alot of them back)</p><p> </p><p> All roster sizes are now in line with what the owner expects</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Iv done alot more other tweaks but regardless of how the mod is playing, ill release an update this afternoon as its 100% better than the V1 release</p>

[Bonafide_Bluffa]

WWE should be set to "Classic Sports Entertainment" instead of "PG Sports Entertainment", imo. PG Sports Ent doesn't allow for long angles (which I found odd, I got dinged for having a 5 minute beat down angle) while WWE has 10-15 minute angles regularly. tho classic sports ent has its issues too, as a steel cell match is too risky of a set up for the fans. im realizing while typing this out that theres no product that fits wwe 100%, and i would wait for adam to either adjust the existing products, or add a new product that will fit it better.

[SilkySlimer]

Well WWE have went on a major hiring spree poaching so many wrestlers and have yet to fire one. Half my roster is about to be called up and not one wrestler signed to be sent to me at NXT. However NXT UK has had developmental talent signed for them.

 

This save is going to be toooughh

[gazwefc83]

BETA V2 - https://www.mediafire.com/file/null/KTB2020.rar/file

[vladjarca]

BETA V2 - https://www.mediafire.com/file/null/KTB2020.rar/file

 

This link isn't working

[gazwefc83]

This link isn't working

 

Not sure what happened there - http://www.mediafire.com/file/wfdaej1z6z9i9ky/KTB2020.rar/file

[MLamm]

All of the links on the OP are for the database, none for the pics / skin

[KazeNiNarePT]

Love the mod, but don't really understand why Warrior Wrestling is included instead of, say, Black Label Pro.

 

Is promotions included up for discussion?

[gazwefc83]

All of the links on the OP are for the database, none for the pics / skin

 

Damn mediafire replaced the files because they had the same name, re-uploading now

[gazwefc83]

Love the mod, but don't really understand why Warrior Wrestling is included instead of, say, Black Label Pro.

 

Is promotions included up for discussion?

 

I have only added workers and companies I have a good deal of knowledge about to prevent inaccurate stats.

 

I've never heard of Black Label Pro, WW uses workers from most of the promotions already in the mod and only run a handful of shows a year so they were an easy addition

[Powerful_Fox]

Data and Pic links ae both still just the data mate and the Skin link isn't working at all for me.

[gazwefc83]

Data and Pic links ae both still just the data mate and the Skin link isn't working at all for me.

 

They have just finished uploading, here you go

 

Data (04/05/20) BETA V2 - http://www.mediafire.com/file/wfdaej1z6z9i9ky/KTB2020.rar/file

 

Pic Pack (04/05/20) - https://www.mediafire.com/file/n4kuu8rkbvxf691/KTB_Pics.rar/file

 

Skin (03/05/20) - https://www.mediafire.com/file/oerypahmubfpk11/KTB.rar/file

[BREdit]

Hey man, I just finished 2 months playing with ROH, I will post somethings that came to my attention, as I'm not a hardcore player, I don't know if must of it has to do with the mod or with the game itself, but just to give you some feedback:

 

My promotion was heavily raided by the bigger promotions, as most of my top stars were signed to written exclusive contracts by them, listing below:

 

Flip Gordon was signed by WWE.

Marty Scurll was signed by WWE.

Jay Briscoe was signed by WWE.

Jay Lethal was signed by WWE.

Dragon Lee was signed by WWE.

Dalton Castle was signed by WWE.

Kenny King was signed by WWE.

Shane Taylor was signed by WWE.

Jonathan Gresham was signed by AEW.

Rush was signed by CMLL.

 

Also WWE hired LOTS (over 50 guys) of talent from the indies and some that were PPA deals with AEW as well.

 

At Sat Week 2, Feb 2021 I got the "Big Trouble in Little WWE" report, which would indicate that the company would fire some people, but so far that didn't happen.

 

Triple H was crowned the NXT Champion.

 

RevPro and NJPW had a beef, and RevPro left their Alliance.

PROGRESS and WWE had a beed, and PROGRESS left their Alliance.

 

AJPW and NOAH are sharing lots of workers.

 

I guess these are the most notable things, I'm not complaining or anything, as some of these happenings I see as realistic anyway,

 

Thanks for the mod, I really liked it, the graphics are awesome and very fitting, keep the good work!

[Thane of Fife]

Couple of thoughts (take them or leave them as you like):

 

WWE is set to have a small women's division, but they're eight women over the recommended roster size. You might consider changing them to a Medium division so that they'd fall into the recommended range.

 

For Impact, I think Madison Rayne should be playing a heel.

 

Also for Impact, I think the popularity values are a bit all over the place. The numbers for the top workers may be reasonable, but some people whom I would have considered to be midcard types have pop values close to the major stars, and the bottom tier seems like it might be a bit too far below everybody else. I think a lot of the people at the top and the bottom need to be squashed into the middle.

 

The ones that most stand out to me are Havok and Madison Rayne. The last time they wrestled, Havok pretty much squashed Madison. I'm not saying that Havok should necessarily be as over as Madison (though honestly I think that would be reasonable), but she should probably at least be close enough that Madison wouldn't be furious at putting her over. Meanwhile, I feel like Taya and Rosemary are more over than Madison is, though you could argue that they just have more momentum.

 

Or, looking at the Figurehead page where it lists the Major Stars, I feel like many of the people on the list should not be on it. If I was going to name who I feel are Major Stars for Impact (or at least who they book that way), it might be:

Brian Cage (if he still works for Impact), Eddie Edwards, Michael Elgin, Sami Callahan, Taya Valkyrie, and Tessa Blanchard.

Moose, Rhino, Rich Swann, Rob Van Dam, and Rosemary are people I could go either way on.

But I have a hard time seeing people like Dave Crist, Madison Rayne, or Willie Mack (among others) as qualifying as Major Stars.

[gazwefc83]

Hey man, I just finished 2 months playing with ROH, I will post somethings that came to my attention, as I'm not a hardcore player, I don't know if must of it has to do with the mod or with the game itself, but just to give you some feedback:

 

My promotion was heavily raided by the bigger promotions, as most of my top stars were signed to written exclusive contracts by them, listing below:

 

Flip Gordon was signed by WWE.

Marty Scurll was signed by WWE.

Jay Briscoe was signed by WWE.

Jay Lethal was signed by WWE.

Dragon Lee was signed by WWE.

Dalton Castle was signed by WWE.

Kenny King was signed by WWE.

Shane Taylor was signed by WWE.

Jonathan Gresham was signed by AEW.

Rush was signed by CMLL.

 

Also WWE hired LOTS (over 50 guys) of talent from the indies and some that were PPA deals with AEW as well.

 

At Sat Week 2, Feb 2021 I got the "Big Trouble in Little WWE" report, which would indicate that the company would fire some people, but so far that didn't happen.

 

Triple H was crowned the NXT Champion.

 

RevPro and NJPW had a beef, and RevPro left their Alliance.

PROGRESS and WWE had a beed, and PROGRESS left their Alliance.

 

AJPW and NOAH are sharing lots of workers.

 

I guess these are the most notable things, I'm not complaining or anything, as some of these happenings I see as realistic anyway,

 

Thanks for the mod, I really liked it, the graphics are awesome and very fitting, keep the good work!

 

Thanks for the feedback, hopefully iv managed to resolve most if not all of the issues, just running a test now

[tryker2710]

I wouldn't worry too much about the Major Stars discrepancy as the Perception system is set up in such a way that you could theoretically have an entire roster of Major Stars or an entire roster of Unimportants. So that will balance out as the game is booked.

[ffsford]

I love the unloved, so here's some lucha notes for AAA:

 

Product

 

I'd recommend adding 'strictly enforced' for the face/heel divide; exceptions certainly happen but 9 times out of 10 it's 3 tecnicos vs 3 rudos.

 

I get your choice of 'Attitude Entertainment', it certainly fits the rougher edge AAA has over CMLL better than 'Lucha Entertainment' would. However, it does mean you miss out on the impact of luchas de apuestas, so maybe it's a sacrifice worth making.

 

Schedule

 

(Let's ignore Lucha Fighter for now.)

 

So, before the world ended, in 2020 AAA haven't really run weekly TV in the way the game is set up. They've done 'big' (ie. broadcast) shows roughly every fortnight (Nacemos Para Luchar Gira 2020), lasting around 2 hours each, with what are basically house shows dotted in-between. These are live on Twitch, and uploaded on about a month's delay on YouTube.

 

However, since fortnightly shows aren't available as an option in TEW 2020, you'll want to avoid having to make 24 annual events. So I suggest you put 'Nacemos Para Luchar Gira 2020' as a 1 hour TV show on Twitch/YouTube Mexico, but set to tape 2 episodes at a time.

 

Roster Additions/Removals

 

You can remove Juventud and Mr Aguila, neither have really wrestled with AAA since 2018 (Aguila's made 2 appearances since then, but they're just annual one-shot deals).

 

There's a few missing big-name regulars: Rush (rudo), Blue Demon Jr (rudo), Mascarita Sagrada (tecnico), Lady Shani (tecnico), LA Park Jr (rudo, and to be clear, this is a different guy to El Hijo de L.A. Park), and La Parka Negra (rudo, also a different guy) to name a few. Oh, and Dr Wagner Jr's back now.

 

There's also a lot of missing minis, like Drago Kid, Laredo Boy, Parkita Negra (yes, another Parka), but they're less regularly featured.

 

Oh, and Hugo Savinovich does commentary. He says PELIGRO! and BRUTAL! a lot.

 

Alignments

 

Monster Clown and Murder Clown recently turned face.

Pentagon Jr is a face.

Super Fly is a heel.

Taya worked as a face recently.

L.A. PARK is a heel.

Argenis is a heel.

 

Attributes & Relationships

 

I'd definitely remove the '100% Babyface' attribute from Tirantes, he's a typical lucha rudo ref.

 

Remove 'Can't Play Comedy' and 'Poor Comedy Matches' from Mr Iguana, he's big-time comedy guy (though your mileage may vary on how funny he is).

 

La Bestia Del Ring is Rush's dad.

 

I think you've accidentally assigned a relationship to the wrong Tito Santana in the form of a strong friendship with Tully Blanchard.

 

Stables

 

Los Ingobernables (or Facción Ingobernable if you prefer) is Rush, L.A. Park, and La Bestia Del Ring. And Konnan apparently, but he's very much in the background.

 

Los OGTs are a heel stable of Averno, Chessman and Super Fly. Their theme music is pretty cool.

 

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That's all for now. Well done on the hard work, and I'm a big fan of your stats scaling structure. Modern-day mods are a thankless task; the present keeps on moving!

 

As a diehard AAA fan, I love all of your suggestions and let's not forget about Hugo and "POR POQUITO" on 2 counts, hahaha

[KazeNiNarePT]

I've never heard of Black Label Pro, WW uses workers from most of the promotions already in the mod and only run a handful of shows a year so they were an easy addition

 

That is very fair.

 

BLP uses pretty much the same roster of GCW plus some other local stars.

[ffsford]

Every single show I do for AAA. no matter what, I lose popularity in 6 regions. Even when I ran auto booker.

 

Granted, I have never played this game before, so I'm not sure really all what that means. I don't know if this is a mod issue or a game issue, again, I am new here.