Women Hall Of Immortals

[SilentDeath]

What I've noticed in these last few games of TEW is that women will never make it into the hall of the immortals unless a player is controlling an all women's fed or they put their women's championship as primary. I don't know if it's doable but I think it'd be great if women were able to get percentages towards HOI for being female wrestler of the year. Also I think it'd be great if women who works for a national company wins their women's title it also gives a percentage maybe on a far smaller scale than men. On the other hand you could make it to where women in an all women's fed who wins the main title also gets a percentage to the HOI on the smaller scale of things as well. Lastly, possibly give women their own Hall of Immortals with their own unique criteria or something. I don't know I simply feel that its nearly impossible for them to get into the HOI.

[VBigB]

In my longest running Effganic sim the only character to reach the HOI was a woman but she did have to win wrestler of the year a bunch of times.

 

On the other hand you could make it to where women in an all women's fed who wins the main title also gets a percentage to the HOI on the smaller scale of things as well.

 

This may be an oversight that should be posted in the tech support forum. I notice that when the AI creates titles for all women's feds they aren't gender restricted and therefore they definitely count. In my example below both MECW and VWG are all women's wrestling feds, but their titles are set to no specific gender. However I think most players/mod maker tend to set their title's to the appropriate gender.

 

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[Self]

Much like women's retirement ages, I imagine a lot of this is because the game world rather than the game. In real life and the C'Verse, women's wrestling and women's titles have been promoted as midcard at best for decades. If USPW and CWA and TCW and the other top promotions had Main Event women's belts, I'm sure a lot of women would be entering the HoF in 10-20 years.

 

I don't think women need special treatment, but the game worlds could certainly be updated. Do mod makers put WWE's women's title as main event? Could Adam has put a stronger women's revolution in the C'Verse?

[Blackman]

As Self indicates, this threat is really about the default universe being a certain way. People expect this to evolve alongside the real world, but it is what it is man... It'd be boring if it was a carbon copy with different characters. And the HoI is NOT THE WWE HOF. It's meant to be an elite club and it doesn't discriminate to either sex, so please don't suggest rules that actually discriminate (not cool man). The way the women are set up right now, they'll never make it. If you don't like it: change it yourself. Inflate their stats.

 

I've already debunked why these ideas don't make any sense in a previous, exactly the same thread. Read the requirements of HoI and make the necessary changes yourself. I've pushed women in the HoI. If yours can't, than you're not pushing them properly.

 

If you notice a female primary title in a big company doesn't tick any %, than that's a bug and should be reported. But there aren't any titles in the C-verse (or the real world for that matter) that fit the bill.

[Makhai]

As Self indicates, this threat is really about the default universe being a certain way. People expect this to evolve alongside the real world, but it is what it is man... It'd be boring if it was a carbon copy with different characters. And the HoI is NOT THE WWE HOF. It's meant to be an elite club and it doesn't discriminate to either sex, so please don't suggest rules that actually discriminate (not cool man). The way the women are set up right now, they'll never make it. If you don't like it: change it yourself. Inflate their stats.

 

I've already debunked why these ideas don't make any sense in a previous, exactly the same thread. Read the requirements of HoI and make the necessary changes yourself. I've pushed women in the HoI. If yours can't, than you're not pushing them properly.

 

If you notice a female primary title in a big company doesn't tick any %, than that's a bug and should be reported. But there aren't any titles in the C-verse (or the real world for that matter) that fit the bill.

 

You're correct. The actual comparison would be the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. Which has a number of women from Dump Matsumoto to Mildred Burke in it. The Magic 3 should be in the Hall of Immortals(not some bastard offshoot gender discriminating one) right now, and Girls like Strong, Raven, Cherry Bomb should all be mortal locks to get in.

[Blackman]

The Magic 3 should be in the Hall of Immortals(not some bastard offshoot gender discriminating one) right now, and Girls like Strong, Raven, Cherry Bomb should all be mortal locks to get in.

 

Imo they should indeed be, but in my CV97 database they actually do get in. The "problem" is that 5SSW is a tiny company that will never grow "big" in time if the AI takes the reigns, so the player has to play it for it to work. They shared many epic title reigns so should tick if 5SSW had a "highly regarded" event (and they don't).

 

What COULD be a suggestion is to retroactively apply the bonus for companies that end up "big" much later. There's obviously arguments against this, but that would tick a lot more women for inclusion (but a lot more men as well, which just devalues the HoI in the first place).

 

Another possible suggestion is that "floating" titles with 80+ prestige could count towards "primary" titles.

 

But the fact is the HoI is NOT discriminating at all. I'm not saying there's no discrimination in the C-verse (there obviously is), just not in HoI. It's more like a glass ceiling build into the database. It's like some professions: there's no barriers for women, but if there's barely any graduates, they probably won't get there. But don't slam the C-verse version of the Observer, they can't help this.

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="50725" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Imo they should indeed be, but in my CV97 database they actually do get in. The "problem" is that 5SSW is a tiny company that will never grow "big" </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "Big" is the problem. It's classified linearly and not adaptively. For example, The game should treat 5SSW as "big" because it's the biggest Women's only fed, with the most prestige in the world. It should also consider titles from women's only feds relative to the highest overness of female-only titles. This should work equally for men in Effganic saves. This way trailblazers are properly represented in the HoIs both male and female. It can then scale as companies grow becoming progressively harder as time passes, and men's and women's wrestling have hugely over titles. Seems like the best solution.</p>

[Blackman]

<p>I don't exactly think it's that easy to code in. But again: you're make it a lot more complicated than it should be. Maybe 5SSW should just be big, and that solves it. </p><p> </p><p>

AAA shouldn't be, though, and everything that happened there is irrelevant for HoI (and this is coming from me <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />). So Cherry Bomb as a mortal lock: don't think so. Even Alicia Strong shouldn't be in. She's a multiple-time holder of a, what, midcard title? If they actually treated her like Charlotte Flair, duh, but in the lore I'm not seeing that apart from her preparation and relative treatment. WWE is actually letting her trailblaze. USPW doesn't (Raven definitely shouldn't be in).</p><p> </p><p>

As we just saw on NXT In your House, the women's title there is treated as a primary title from a booking standpoint (so would be one in-game). As NXT = WWE in-game (and not some dev territory), it would tick the box. Together with all the stuff they'd done, the "horsewomen" should make the cut for sure.</p>

[Makhai]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="50725" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> AAA shouldn't be, though, and everything that happened there is irrelevant for HoI (and this is coming from me <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />). So Cherry Bomb as a mortal lock: don't think so. Even Alicia Strong shouldn't be in. She's a multiple-time holder of a, what, midcard title? If they actually treated her like Charlotte Flair, duh, but in the lore I'm not seeing that apart from her preparation and relative treatment. WWE is actually letting her trailblaze. USPW doesn't (Raven definitely shouldn't be in).</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If Alicia Strong isn't a Hall of Immortals lock, burn the whole thing to the ground. She's the most impactful female in the history of the C-Verse, and has held a belt twice as important as the 5SSW one. I feel the same way about Victoria Stone, but obviously that's not nearly as glaring as leaving Strong out. If Pat Deacon can get into the thing, surely the GOATs of women's wrestling can find a spot.</p>

[Self]

I'm disappointed C'verse is so far behind on the womens revolution thing. WWE have main event womens titles. UFC have had headlining women when the right star comes along. Yet C'verse still treats it as a midcard thing. Despite dozens of top level companies, not one of them has embraced it. The engine can handle it, in my diary game the AI ran NOTBPW with women in most of the main events for the last few months... but the default data doesn't reflect it.

 

HOI is purely mathematical. Headline performers in headline companies. If you make allowances for trailblazing women, you gotta do the same for tag teams, cruiserweights, etc. Alicia Strong is a great women's wrestling... but looking at the math and putting aside gender she's merely a successful midcard act.

[Blackman]

Look guys, there's nothing wrong with the game or any feature in it when it comes to gender. Ever since WMMA5 got released I put a truckload of women in the HoI there (whatever it is there), whereas normally one would rarely make it (depends on AI decisionmaking). I never got so far with TEW16 (which had the same requirements at this one afaik), but I know for a face Remi, for one, has put a bunch in HoI. VBigB just showed the picture that proves the neutrality of the feature.

 

Victoria is definitely one of the most respected women due to her booking job, but in-ring she achieved very little due to how little the women's title meant over there, but that's fine.

 

But how would you change the requirements then to 'include' Alicia but without including the dozens (and dozens) of guys that did the same? She's probably the most deserving women, but once again: gender shouldn't be a factor. You could have that discussion about a lot of guys who'll never make it in and achieved much more in the business. Isn't it enough to know that, if USPW made some key decisions, she would've been in? If you take over USPW in TEW13 you should definitely be able to get her in. The way canon overness evolved for the women, you can easily deduce they weren't involved in anything major or memorable. Hall of Immortals... what's in a name?

[Makhai]

Look guys, there's nothing wrong with the game or any feature in it when it comes to gender. Ever since WMMA5 got released I put a truckload of women in the HoI there (whatever it is there), whereas normally one would rarely make it (depends on AI decisionmaking). I never got so far with TEW16 (which had the same requirements at this one afaik), but I know for a face Remi, for one, has put a bunch in HoI. VBigB just showed the picture that proves the neutrality of the feature.

 

Victoria is definitely one of the most respected women due to her booking job, but in-ring she achieved very little due to how little the women's title meant over there, but that's fine.

 

But how would you change the requirements then to 'include' Alicia but without including the dozens (and dozens) of guys that did the same? She's probably the most deserving women, but once again: gender shouldn't be a factor.

 

Because you evaluate yourself against your peers not against things beyond your control. Women(and tag teams which this should also apply to, juniors and cruiserweights and comedy guys should be evaluated as singles and compare to their peers as such) Women's wrestling is slotted at the moment. Strong should probably be the second biggest star in USPW right now if we're being honest. But she's in a midcard division for life. You can scream things like "completely balanced" but parity in an era with a glass ceiling is not equality, it's exclusion. It's the same argument as separate but equal. I put all the money, time, effort, and knowledge over here, and you over there and judge you equally. That's BS. If Strong is given 400 more runs, wrestles till she's 90 she'll never be in the main event(she's slotted) and she'll never touch the men's belt no matter how good she gets.

 

If you want to put your blinders on and say, SELL OUT THE DOME OR GTFO! Fine, but Hall of the Immortals is, in my eyes, a feature that's supposed to memorialize the greatest people who existed in the C-Verse. And give you history and lore at a glance. It fails to achieve that, or anything close to it right now. End of discussion.

[Chikbot]

I mean, honestly in truth, if you're going to say "sexism". Then having to bump their stats up in the first place so they can qualify is pretty sexist too..

 

Either way, I agree with everyone's sentiment that just like with real life Halls of Fame, women need more recognition in the HOI. There's women in the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame, there's women in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame.

 

It just doesn't make sense anymore to solely include men. I get that it's a "that's how the database unfortunately is". But that in itself is an inherit problem that we shouldn't have to fix ourselves.

[VBigB]

The feature is fine in my opinion. These are the criteria as laid out in the game:

 

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Major Champion & Epic Champion: Note the key from the handbook that floating titles also count if they are above 70 prestige. Effganic does not have any titles set up at the start so the AI generates them and I notice that in companies that have a woman's division the title it is always generated as a floating title so they presumably count (if I find an example of one counting I will post it). So presumably the first 2 criteria are covered for women's division titles if they are set as floating.

 

Headliner: I went back to that 59 year Effganic save and checked the event history of the number 1 company in the world (which happens to be one with a small women's division). The AI is putting the women's title on the line regularly as a main event so presumably this is also possible and just as achievable for women as men.

 

Show Stealer: This just has to do with match ratings so anyone including tag teams can achieve this equally.

 

Wrestler of the Year: I went back to that 59 year Effganic save and in the last 20 years a woman has won this 9 times.

 

National Icon: Just popularity so again pretty much anyone can achieve this equally.

 

Looking through the top 25 wrestlers in the power 500 checking HOI progress, the next person that will get to the HOI is going to be a woman as well. And there is a reason for that. It seems that in that sim an all woman promotion was the only one to maintain Big for a long time. That's partly due to another problem I posted here with companies Yo-Yo'ing between Titanic and Medium.

 

In an organic mod like Effganic the game world tends to work out to be a lot more equal. Men have a little bit of an advantage in that mod as well as they start a decade earlier and there tends to be a few more more men only promotions but the gap gets closed a lot faster than in default data. The HOI system is gender indiscriminate while the data in a database may not be.

[VBigB]

I looked through Charity Sweets profile and the only thing I can see is the winning the women's title for HOI progress. Since starting the game she has not headlined any of the 4 historic events held so far for USPW. She hasn't been in a match rated high enough and doesn't have enough popularity for the other criteria. As the game is only 4 months in annual awards are out.

 

So it does appear that floating titles over 70 prestige count as per the handbook. This is my OCD kicking in.

 

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[SilentDeath]

Alright I’m just go ahead and throw this out here. There is nothing wrong with the current HOI system and I wasn’t personally calling the system flawed or anything I think it’s fine. My issue lies with the database and if you look at how the default database is setup then it is in fact impossible for women to get in on their own being AI controlled. What woman is going to win wrestler of the year in the cverse? Trust no woman’s coming home with that award at game start. With organic mods like Effiverse makes it’s easier because there’s much more of a clean slate. Therefore, the actual system is fine and always has been.

 

If your a big promotion who features a women’s championship... if that title is labeled as anything but primary it is impossible for them to gain a percentage to the HOI. A floating championship based on the picture in this thread gives 5% and which means they’d have to win that title 20x. If the system still works like in the past then eventually winning that championship will be less important if done a lot which means it may take even more than that. In the end I thing women should either have their own with a different type of criteria or something OR they need to have other things that factors in just for them. I’m currently playing an old effganic mod that I’ve tweaked and broadened and I too have a woman whose going into the HOI but it’s because the women’s championship is set to primary. I don’t know just think it needs a look is all I was getting at. I’m not big on it mirroring real life as far as the state of women’s wrestling but there are women who should be able to get in or at least let us edit the HOI in game otherwise we’d be forced to do it through pre game editing.

[VBigB]

If your a big promotion who features a women’s championship... if that title is labeled as anything but primary it is impossible for them to gain a percentage to the HOI. A floating championship based on the picture in this thread gives 5% and which means they’d have to win that title 20x.

 

Man I wish i had done this to begin with. I found this response from to a similar issue in the TEW2016 forum (you can do the same thing in 2020):

 

You access that section by going into the main editor (click the editor button on the opening screen of the game) -> edit database -> Hall of Immortals.

 

By clicking Add or Edit, you will be taken to a individual record. From here you can see what the criteria are. By increasing or decreasing the various values you can see their effect by looking at the text at the bottom of the screen.

 

Your post's wording was ambiguous, but to clarify you cannot edit what the actual criteria are, they are static, you can only change each person's / team's score so far.

 

As always, changes made in this section only affect games that are started from that point onwards, they do not impact existing save games.

 

So there is no difference between a primary title or a floating title (of at least 70 prestige) as far as HOI points are concerned. Each win gives you 5% and it maxes out at 10 wins or 50%. It's "Epic Champion" that really gives a big shot of points. Defending the title 10 times for the first time gives 35%. Just by playing around with the drop-downs only the "Headliner" criteria can get someone into the Hall of Fame on it's own. Everything else requires a combination of at least 2 criteria.

[Blackman]

So there is no difference between a primary title or a floating title (of at least 70 prestige) as far as HOI points are concerned.

 

You forgot to actually include the mention in your quote, but it seems floating titles are definitely a thing. So forget my suggestion as it's already in.

 

But am I dreaming or is it no longer possible to edit the HoI values in-game?

 

So I'm not sure what you're complaining about now, Makhai. If you are going to treat your women as second class by having their titles "secundary" (like CWA), then don't be surprised they won't be in the HoI. Your anger should be directed at Sam Strong.

 

In TEW20, Alicia's Strong's title (let's be real here ) is floating. Ironically, it starts with 69% prestige, but should go up in no time, even when AI controlled. With that being said, I reread her bio and you're probably right that she should be in somehow. I don't see her making the cut now, starting at 0% at 34. It's... possible, I guess. Her pop in my early game was close to 80%.

[Makhai]

You forgot to actually include the mention in your quote, but it seems floating titles are definitely a thing. So forget my suggestion as it's already in.

 

But am I dreaming or is it no longer possible to edit the HoI values in-game?

 

So I'm not sure what you're complaining about now, Makhai. If you are going to treat your women as second class by having their titles "secundary" (like CWA), then don't be surprised they won't be in the HoI. Your anger should be directed at Sam Strong.

 

In TEW20, Alicia's Strong's title (let's be real here ) is floating. Ironically, it starts with 69% prestige, but should go up in no time, even when AI controlled. With that being said, I reread her bio and you're probably right that she should be in somehow. I don't see her making the cut now, starting at 0% at 34. It's... possible, I guess. Her pop in my early game was close to 80%.

 

It's clear where we both stand on this issue. HoI is a poop feature at the moment. The way it calculates is flawed and it will always exclude anything that doesn't have main even status. Which will almost always be white males in the c-verse. If you don't understand how this is the case then you are being purposefully obtuse on the issue and probably race and gender systemic problems on the whole. The whole sexism thing is overplayed for the purposes of this feature. Because it effects whoever is in a situation where they are exceptionally better than their peers but are not 80+ over, don't headline "major" shows or don't hold high prestige belts. Which is actually a lot of people. I'm not even sure Andre The Giant IRL gets in this thing organically. If he does it would be on headlining WM3 and the Anoki thing and being really over like how Brucey gets in for the C-Verse, but that just goes to show how awful it is because again, Alicia is going to win the USPW belt like 11x and retire the head and shoulders best woman ever. How does Higa get in besides growing a penis and signing for USPW? She's not getting in, no chance unless she can drag that company to Large by herself. Which makes the HoI very, very, very, dumb IMO.

 

It could be argued that the Hall of Fame feature is supposed to catch this, but those Hall of Fames are tied to companies. Which go under. If people like the HoI as is, then you could use the PWR addition to make a more complete Hall of Fame. But that's just redundant. The more I look at how the feature is, the more and more I wish it would just go away.

[VBigB]

But am I dreaming or is it no longer possible to edit the HoI values in-game?

 

As far as I can see it's no longer possible.

 

Which will almost always be white males in the c-verse. If you don't understand how this is the case

 

I mean I went back through all of Blackman's posts and he literally never once maintained that this wasn't the case for the CVesrse so I'm not really sure why the personal attack was necessary.

 

We've all said that with the way the data is set up this is what will happen in the Cverse. That does mean the way the feature is set up isn't fair. It also doesn't mean it's necessarily good or can't be improved.

 

Currently I can construct a data set where 3/4 of population is female and have the HOI biased completely the other direction. So lets say we change the system to make it easier for women to make the HOI. Then in some fantasy mods we could have a bias for women and screw up the HOI in them.

 

There are currently a few things I would potentially change:

1. If HOI points were added for winning Female Wrestler of the Year, then I would change Wrestler of the year to just be Male Wrestler of the Year so that women would only qualify for one of the awards.

2. If the above were implemented I would also split Independent Wrestler of the Year into a male and female versions.

3. I would make the gender setting for products symmetrical even if there is no basis for this in reality. What I mean by this is currently we have:

- Men Only

- Women Only

- Integrated

- Men with Women's division (small, medium, large)

I would add:

- Women with Men's division (small, medium, large) - could be interesting for pure fantasy mods

 

I'm not even sure Andre The Giant IRL gets in this thing organically.

 

Organic generation is I think where improvements could be made. I honestly think that HOI requirements should be editable and tied to ERAs so they can be evolved over time. Basically the way it's set up now is that the pioneers of the industry in an organic mod like Effganic will not make the HOI (in fact it pretty much excludes anyone from the first 30 years as no company can reach big).

 

The more I look at how the feature is, the more and more I wish it would just go away.

 

I mean the feature doesn't really bother me as it's purely 100% cosmetic. There is no benefit to getting in the HOI.

[Makhai]

As far as I can see it's no longer possible.

 

 

 

I mean I went back through all of Blackman's posts and he literally never once maintained that this wasn't the case for the CVesrse so I'm not really sure why the personal attack was necessary.

 

Grow up, seriously. I called out his BS and he's far from alone in the BS(systemic, should have gave that away, IMO. He basically spent half a post needling me and posting smileys after it. But now that I think of it, let me throw some smileys in here too before Derek sees this and slaps me with another point infraction, he loves that sauce. :p:p

 

We've all said that with the way the data is set up this is what will happen in the Cverse. That does mean the way the feature is set up isn't fair. It also doesn't mean it's necessarily good or can't be improved.

 

I believe I said this. But we start this, talking about the C-Verse. Which is clearly in a bad place. It needs to scale Adaptively, not linearly.

 

There are currently a few things I would potentially change:

1. If HOI points were added for winning Female Wrestler of the Year, then I would change Wrestler of the year to just be Male Wrestler of the Year so that women would only qualify for one of the awards.

2. If the above were implemented I would also split Independent Wrestler of the Year into a male and female versions.

3. I would make the gender setting for products symmetrical even if there is no basis for this in reality. What I mean by this is currently we have:

- Men Only

- Women Only

- Integrated

- Men with Women's division (small, medium, large)

I would add:

- Women with Men's division (small, medium, large) - could be interesting for pure fantasy mods

Basically exactly what I suggested a few posts ago. This does have the downside of segregating belts. And most belts don't actually have a gender-specific designation for flexibility. (The Kaufman angle) But that can be given a specific workaround via setting the worker to transgender/exotico(which needs to be a thing for exoticos anyway so you don't run into binary issues searching for them) obviously a personal pronoun system would likely be optimal, but would also be very obnoxious for modders and players of a more... binary lifestyle.

 

Organic generation is I think where improvements could be made. I honestly think that HOI requirements should be editable and tied to ERAs so they can be evolved over time. Basically the way it's set up now is that the pioneers of the industry in an organic mod like Effganic will not make the HOI (in fact it pretty much excludes anyone from the first 30 years as no company can reach big).

 

Again, Adaptively, not Linearly. If the biggest belt in the universe is 50, then everything 40 over should count. And what is considered big should scale on those same terms. This should be filtered by Gender, and Tag Team as well. So if the C-Verse has an average female only belt rating of 45 or 50, then 40+ should count even if the USPW belt is an outlier.

 

I mean the feature doesn't really bother me as it's purely 100% cosmetic. There is no benefit to getting in the HOI.

 

And that's why despite the volume of words here, It's not a big deal. I just don't care about it. I really, really wish that wasn't the case though. Because this is a now 15-year-old universe, with advanced lore beyond that at this point. People are fading into the ether, new generations are coming. These characters will go away soon.

[VBigB]

Basically exactly what I suggested a few posts ago.

 

Okay I had to go back and re-read and I think I got hung up on other parts of that post. So yeah you did suggest something similar.

 

This does have the downside of segregating belts.

 

I'm obviously missing something here. I don't see how any of those 3 suggestions have anything to do with belts. The HOI does not care about the gender setting of a belt. All it cares about is whether it is primary or floating over 70 prestige. Most belts can still be set as "no specific gender". In fact the way the game works now if you let the AI generate the belts all belts are generated that way with exception of the Women's division belts.

 

So if the C-Verse has an average female only belt rating of 45 or 50, then 40+ should count even if the USPW belt is an outlier.

 

Ah now I think I see the link with the "This does have the downside of of segregating belts". I mean currently in a "Men With Women's Division" wrestling promotion if a belt is set as no specific gender it's treated as a men's title by the AI. The women in the company don't compete for it ever from what I've seen. Anyway we need belts in integrated promotions to also count. I would do it this way. If a belt is actively competed for by a woman it gets added to a list of applicable belts. You can then do the average or weighted average or whatever formula is used on that list.

 

Again, Adaptively, not Linearly. If the biggest belt in the universe is 50, then everything 40 over should count. And what is considered big should scale on those same terms.

 

I definitely second this but it does start to get complicated. I think you would need to assign HOI points once per year (kind of like how a lot of sports Hall of Fames have a once a year ballot process) as the biggest belt in the universe could potentially change throughout the year. The trick is to make it adaptive enough while not making the process needless complicated.

[Makhai]

At the end of the day, the specifics are all in Adam and the gang's court. I can't see all of the code or the under the hood stuff to make informed suggestions, and even if I did have it I wouldn't have a clue what to do with it. So this is why I try to use things as examples pretty much exclusively.

[Blackman]

Amazing. Look at you arguing about female equality against the few people who supplied the female renders for the WMMA series. Without VBigB and Self there probably wouldn't be any women in the game.

 

It's not my intention to "needle" you, but you're just not getting that your issue is with the C-verse. Try to see the bigger picture here. All your arguments are predicated on the state of the C-verse anno 2020. I was the first one to call that the C-verse has taken a step back in terms of female representation as they are WAY behind on real life, but that's not what should matter here. I care about the mechanic of the HoI.

 

But maybe I haven't clearly understood the issue. It seemed to me we were talking about the nature of the feature, not the state of the database. But no, your issue seems to be that "white males" are getting in and are now advocating a "personal pronoun system"... This paints a different issue entirely.

[BigINMoldova]

I like how the person complaining about "Systemic sexism" in a text-based wrestling sim is the one telling other people to grow up.

 

 

That's some good irony.