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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GooverDan" data-cite="GooverDan" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="53467" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's a couple of errors in the new update:<p> </p><p> - Jimmy Lloyd, G-Raver and Matthew Justice has clashing attributes regarding crazy bumps.</p><p> - Junior Dos Santos has a wrestling role, but is not listed as a wrestler.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks! Should be fixed now!</p>
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I like this idea of using the default data to keep the real data in check. Sometimes it feels like the real world mods sacrifice game balance for realism. I just remember smashing through shows to the point where not much thought went into what I was booking. I'd like to play as AEW, but I want it to feel like a climb.
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I like this idea of using the default data to keep the real data in check. Sometimes it feels like the real world mods sacrifice game balance for realism. I just remember smashing through shows to the point where not much thought went into what I was booking. I'd like to play as AEW, but I want it to feel like a climb.

 

I agree but for different reasons, I really enjoy what if scenarios.

Seeing a ton of different promotions (that could be lead by anyone) and the possible twist & turn of TEW makes me really excited to play the mod.

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I like this idea of using the default data to keep the real data in check. Sometimes it feels like the real world mods sacrifice game balance for realism. I just remember smashing through shows to the point where not much thought went into what I was booking. I'd like to play as AEW, but I want it to feel like a climb.

 

Thanks! I feel the same way. For me, when I switched my thinking to seeing skills as relative, instead of absolute, it didn't even feel like much realism was sacrificed.

 

What I mean by that is, I might look at X wrestler and think "That's a 90 brawl!" in my heart, and I might even be right on an absolute scale, making it look wrong to see them set at 80 (roughly where brawl caps out at the beginning of the mod). But then I play a game and I tend not to think, "That should be 90 Brawl." and more "He's my best brawler." and it feels fine once I'm in the thick of it.

 

I agree but for different reasons, I really enjoy what if scenarios.

Seeing a ton of different promotions (that could be lead by anyone) and the possible twist & turn of TEW makes me really excited to play the mod.

 

Totally agree here as well. In the multiplayer game I'm running of this mod (anyone interested in joining let me know), Both of the Outsiders died within a few days of each other. Was it a broken heart? Was it murder? Kevin Nash had just taken of WOW! in Nevada, might he have run afoul of the mob?

 

There are, of course, other, less death centric, examples.

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Totally agree here as well. In the multiplayer game I'm running of this mod (anyone interested in joining let me know), Both of the Outsiders died within a few days of each other. Was it a broken heart? Was it murder? Kevin Nash had just taken of WOW! in Nevada, might he have run afoul of the mob?

 

There are, of course, other, less death centric, examples.

 

Vinnie Vegas finally got got

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Couple things I noticed while setting up my AEW game:

 

- Matt Mahoney & Matt Makowski have the same photo.

- Max Caster is listed as 23. He's actually a lot older than I expected and born in July 1989, so he should be 30 here. His father is Rich Caster, who played in the NFL in the 70's.

- Is there a reason not to add the AEW Dynamite Diamond Ring and Casino Battle Royales (men and women -- tag team might be hard to replicate) as accomplishment titles for AEW? These have been steady accomplishments AEW's used beginning before the game starts to the present day.

- Ryan Davidson & Ryan Donavon have the same photo.

- Wheeler Yuta is listed as 26. As far as I can tell he was born ~1997 and should be 22-23 here. He started wrestling when he was 16 which might be why he's listed as older.

- Rok-C and Lee "TAIGASTYLE" Moriarty don't appear to be in the database. That was a tough one for me as they're two of my favorite young wrestlers.

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While I appreciete that game is starting March 2020 before the pandemic, last 1-1.5 years, some new exciting talent has got into pro wrestling. Bron Breakker or Hook among them without them it kinds of feel incomplete. Can they be added to DB to maybe appear in 2021. Maybe as player add on pack or something like that
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Having a toddler and a baby pretty much limits me to playing through one mod at a time at a very very slow rate, and I'm very much stuck into a 98 ECW save for the moment...

 

But I've really been feeling alienated by the direction AEW has taken, especially since The First Dance. The pandemic definitely played its part in that too, what with the roster bloat as it set the wheels in motion for Tony Kahn to become a haven for both indy talent and WWE releases.

 

I enjoyed reading through the feedback and your own responses, it sounds like a lot of great work and thought has gone into this. So consider me provisionally on board! I need to scratch that early-days style AEW itch and would could have been.

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While I appreciete that game is starting March 2020 before the pandemic, last 1-1.5 years, some new exciting talent has got into pro wrestling. Bron Breakker or Hook among them without them it kinds of feel incomplete. Can they be added to DB to maybe appear in 2021. Maybe as player add on pack or something like that

 

They're definitely both in the data. Bron is under his real name Bronson Rechsteiner and debuts October 2020

 

Hook is under the Hook name and debuts December 2020

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Some quick notes on things I found with AEW and others:

 

-The AEW Casino Ladder Match has Brian Cage in its title history but it hasn't happened yet.

-Marty Scurll should have some negative attributes. At least Sleazy if not Scumbag. He is also the polar opposite of A Marketing Dream. I understand this is March 2020 but the events in question have already happened and you assigned appropriate attributes to the likes of Starr/Ryan/Havoc.

-Jake Roberts should be set as Lance Archer's manager.

-Kenny Omega was not portraying an Awkward Weeaboo in March 2020, or really at any point in AEW.

-I'm not sure if Ethnic Hero is the right gimmick for Scorpio Sky.

-Orange Cassidy could use a fairly large bump in popularity. This was peak Cassidy, coming off of the Revolution match vs. PAC. Recognizable at 48 pop seems super low.

-MJF is also at 49 pop which is lower than the likes of Jake Hager (54) and Lance Archer (53). He just beat Cody at Revolution.

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Not one for nitpicking ratings cos that's mod maker's discretion and the user can always just edit and tweak as necessary (e.g I know some people complained about your ratings for Kenny but that's w/e to me) but I do wonder if there's an issue with SQ across the board. I particularly wanted to flag it up because my favourite thing about this mod is that you did your research and compared ratings with the C-Verse.

 

If we go back to comparing stats with the C-Verse, at game start there are 34 active wrestlers with 90 or above SQ. Guys with numbers like this are basically can't miss, sure fire superstars - the kind of guys who could transcend the industry into the mainstream. The sort of people who are candidates to be company Figureheads. In Before The Fall there are 28 wrestlers with 90 or above SQ in WWE alone. That seems disproportionately high.

 

It makes sense for someone like Sasha Banks (who was spotted by film director Jon Favreau and immediately earmarked as someone with impressive charisma and mainstream potential) but why do e.g Lars Sullivan and Rusev have SQ so high? Lars Sullivan's Star Quality is 93 which is the sort of rating I would expect someone like Stone Cold to have. Rusev is popular and all but can you really imagine someone building a whole company around him or seeing him main eventing WrestleMania year after year?

 

Like I say I don't want to get into specific "this guy should be this, this guy should be that" discussions because I don't think that's helpful to the mod maker but I would expect there to be, at most, 4 or 5 active full time roster members in WWE to have an SQ rating so massive that they could be the next Hulk Hogan. As it stands there are 6 among the women's division alone.

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I really liked this mod but have some things that i've adjusted before start a real save.

As a non-pandemic world, there are some start absences that doesn't need to be in the database.

I don't have the game open now but one I remember is Roman Reigns.

Another one is CM Punk, is rumored that he only signed with AEW in August/21 because with the pandemic scenario isn't financially viable to sign him without crowd.

There are others who made returns before the hiatus setting in this mod, for now I only remember Ronda Rousey and Sting.

 

But this is for sure a really good mod.

Thanks for this.

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