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So with the main thought coming into the CBA agreement is that there will pretty much be a hard cap (at least that is what the owners want) it makes you wonder if teams are allowed to toss out one contract each, then which players could be unemployed.
Here is my personal list
Atlanta Hawks: Joe Johnson is there worst contract at 20 million per (if I did the math right) but he is also one of their better players. With the emergence of Collins I could honestly see it being Zaza
Predict: Zaza
Boston Celtics: Make your pick here...... it's kind of hard. The big 4 aren't going anywhere and Big Baby is an affordable contract. Shaq is gone so it honestly a make a pick. They could go to KG and say take a paycut for us to retool and give us a couple more chances to get you more rings.
Predict: KG if it was a cut and resign.
Bulls: Boozer is their worst contract mainly because of his injuries. The bulls are pretty set when it comes to contracts, but Rose is getting close to being a RFA
Predict: Kyle K.
Cavs: Davis, Davis, Davis, and Andrew V. Through up a coin and make a pick. Jamison and Davis are in the last years of those crappy contracts, but V is still 3 or 4 years away
Predict: Verajo, lets face it the Cavs aren't going to win in the next two years and Irving and Thompson have 4 years still RFA so V's contract is more important to get rid of.
Mavs: Like the Cavs there is one big name that stands out
Predict: Haywood
Nuggets: Another easy one for a young team
Predict: Harrington
Pistons: Hmmmm, this one is hard. You still have Richard Hamilton, Ben Gordon, and Charlie V. Hamilton is the worst contract of the three, but I believe he might be more important overall then the other two. The fact that Hamilton played less then them and outperformed them should scare the other two
Predict: Ben Gordon. Charlie played 5 less minutes a game and still avg about the same stat line
Warriors: get rid of the one contract you really need to get rid of
Predict: Vladimir Radmanovic
Rockets: I really don't know who the Rockets should cut here...
Predict: Can't really go wrong.
Pacers: Sorry James, you are their worst contract
Predict: James Posey
Clippers: This one is between two players, Mo Williams and Kaman for two reasons. Their replaces might already be on the team. DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledose might be their next PG and Center so either one could be gone. Kaman has more trade value and could bring a SF to help them where Mo I believe is on his last leg.
Predict: Mo Williams
Lakers: A lot of people would agree to let Luke Walton go, but would the Lakers try and pull and Celtics and ask Kobe to take a pay cut help rebuild the team. It could be an easy pitch because Kobe wants more than MJ and he is one away from tying him and 2 from breaking it. He also is in LA and championships bring more endorsements
Predict: Kobe if they could do a KG type thing I mentioned above. If not Luke because everyone else can be traded
Grizz: This is hard because most of their guys are young
Predict: You tell me?
Heat: Mike Miller????? Joel Anthony?????
Predict: Anyone signed for longer than a year outside of the big three has a pink slip they should worry might be theirs
Bucks: With Larry Sanders coming into his second year and looking to push for more time. Drew Gooden by far is their worst contract
Predict: Drew Gooden
Wolves: That center Nikola. Darko had a better year
Predict: Nikola
Nets: Travis Outlaw
Predict: Travis Outlaw
Hornets: I think this one is kind of easy
Predict: Okafor
Knicks: With Billups contract up at the end of this coming year Turiaf is the worst on the team
Knicks: Turiaf
Thunder: COLLISON!!!
Predict: Collison
Magic: Everyone might go.... Gilbert, but I say Hedo. Gilbert if he got more involved in the offense could find something again and Hedo's contract runs longer. Dwight Howard likes Gilbert more than Hedo and also trading Howard could mean a team might have to take Gilbert's contract as well. If the cut date isn't instantly the Magic could trade Gilbert with Howard and let the other team do the cute. Then what if the Magic trade Howard and he came back when he hit free agency
Predict: Hedo, but Gilbert could go as well
76ers: Elton Brand, he isn't the player he use to be
Predict: Brand
Suns: Josh Childress
Blazers: Roy has a heavy contract, but Camby has slipped a lot
Predict: Camby
Kings: Garica
Spurs: Again another Kobe/KG area for Duncan. If not then it's Bonner or Jefferson. Maybe McDyess
Raptors: Reggie Evans
Jazz: Okur back up center making almost 10 mil
Predict: Okur
Wiz: Probably the easiest one.
Predict : R. Lewis
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Did Jerry also get that run because of the movie the Wrestler. They did a storyline similar to the movie with Lynn battling the younger ****y wrestler and winning the title.
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The problem with your list GB is that you precede it by saying that its your view of "overall talent", not stats, not championships, not team success. Thats a hard thing to calibrate. A guy like Derek Anderson had a monster year in Cleveland. In fact sports are littered with guys that get hot for a year, two or three. They have great seasons or lead their teams to championships.
Either A. These guys are very talented and deserve to be mentioned in any "top talent" list or B they were very fortunate to have the right circumstances in the right situation play out just right for them. How can you tell between the two? The only real way you can tell between the two is longevity. Can this guy put up these championships for several seasons, can he dominate the rest of his position for several years, etc.
The truth is anybody that gets to any of the major sports in the United States or for that matter the world. Anybody that gets to the very top is already VERY talented. A guy hitting .200 in the majors is still way more talented than anybody else.
Honestly sports isn't so much about talent for the most part. Of course you have your MJ's, your Russells, your Brady's, Elway's, Mannings, Pujols, Ruth's, etc. These guys are obviously head and shoulders above everyone else. The tricky part is figuring out the rest. In my opinion its things like drive, work ethic, hunger, in short its their personality. How bad do they want it?
Its too easy to say Ricky Williams was one of the ten most talented Running Backs in history. I disagree with it but its an argument that can be made. The question is what does talent matter if you can't stay healthy, if you can push beyond the rest of the playing field, if you're not hungry enough for a championship. The only true way to measure people are on statistics and championships and honestly championships trump all.
When you're talking about the greats you're talking about the guys that have won. Is Montana the greatest pure QB in the game, is Manning better, is Brady better? Does it matter? The guy has won four championships, any sport you play in thats the ultimate goal is to win. Its a sports team so your goal is to be the best TEAM. Phillip Rivers is one of the best QB's around in my opinion but what good does that do him? Manning is regarded as the best pure QB in a generation. He's got ONE championship to show for that. While guys like Big Ben, Brady, etc have several.
So I guess in long what I'm saying is although I respect Gator's list and the guy certainly knows his sports and I'm not knocking him or the list I guess what I'm saying is "whats the point"? When it comes to most talented. I'd rather have an argument about who's the greatest not hows the best most pure talented in history.
Just my two cents though. Or with the length of this thing my fifteen cents maybe.
it wasn't just pure talent, stats, and other things did play factor. I said talent played a heavy factor as well because it does. I love watch Ricky run, I thought what he could do with a ball was wonderful
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DeShawn Stevenson got bench for a reason... he sucks.
I understand being ****y about what you and two others did, but Lebron is still Lebron.
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Oh by the way, DeShawn Stevenson, SHUT UP!!!! You went up against a Heat team that saw Lebron do badly scoring, he still had like 7 assist and 9 rebounds and you guys still almost lost the game. Shut up, don't give Lebron motivation, and play your game.
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Haha, this made me laugh.
Like that guy in the Bad Teacher commercial said "Call me when LeBron has six titles!"
MJ > LeBron, and it's not close.
that's ur argument....
It's the only argument I need!!!!!
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So, is this finals killing Lebron's Legacy and helping Wade and Dirk's?
Also is it about time to give Dirk his props and put him in the conversation of top 5 PF of all-time?
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When Ryan Leaf is healthy and his mind is right, he's a great QB as well.
LOL.. Just giving you a little business, only disagreements I would have is Ricky being on the list at all and Moon, and Lofton being too high but then again this is subjective.
yeah, this is just how I see it. Ryan Leaf was just horrible lmao, even when Ricky was messed up I would still take Williams over a right minded Leaf. I am not saying Ricky has the best stats, but when he is on I would rather try and stop a speeding bullet followed by a train.
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The list is subjective much like PoisonedSuperman said and you are not saying your opinion is fact so I can't argue with you. I can see what you are saying about Terry, I personally was never a fan of his and you are right about his stats. However, winning four Super Bowls has to put him in the converstaion one way or the other.
I actually like you list and agree with most of it. The one QB that I am really not sure of is Drew. Yes maybe when it is all said and done he would belong on that list but I just can't rank him better than Bart Starr or Roger Staubach at this point.
Never liked Thurman Thomas!
The Bills are my favorite AFC team so I have a soft spot for Thurman and I truly do believe he is one of the best RB's in the history of the NFL.I think Brees does a lot of things right. He is considered easily a top 3 QB in the NFL right now. He helped turn around the aints and made them a team that each year expects to make it to the Superbowl.
I love Staubach and I probably did snub him, but to me what modern QB do is more advanced then what QB's of the past did, and with Terry again this also had a lot to do with skills as well as stats and wins. Terry to me was a horrible QB, 2 more TD's then INT, 51.9% throwing, and more years throwing 20 INT's then 20 TD's.
Again, I think Terry was one of those QB's who had some of the best talent around him that make people think he was better then he was, but when you can sit here (like I do) and say a Montana, Brady, Manning would have won 4 and a couple more with that talent, it makes u wonder. He was a guy who came in 1st overall I believe and was replaced because Nolan thought the backup was more motivated. Again I think Terry did a great job winning, but he wasn't a good QB, he was a good game manger.
Again I am sorry about Thomas, anyone can come in and do this. This is what I see and how I feel about these. some people are going to see other stuff like jugg thinking Barry is the number 1 running back. That is something I could greatly agree with, but Brown had speed and power. Brown had two years where he didn't hit a thousand and each of those years he had 230 rushes or less. Look at Brown's biggest rushing year at 305 rushes and Sanders at 343. Brown had one year of 300 plus rushes and Sanders had 7. Brown also played 14 games to Sanders 16. Brown overall was just the better player. I am not saying Barry isn't in the argument, I just truly think Brown was probably the best player ever to play in the NFL.
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Just some food for thought: Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton, Jim Kelly, Randall Cunningham (If you are going by skills alone this guy would be near the top.), Terry Bradshaw (He did win 4 Super Bowls), Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Roger Staubach.
And not because I am a Giants fan but I think Phil Simms should be close on the list as well. Maybe not top ten but close. Heck Bill Walsh once said that he thought Simms would have played better than Montana if he was playing on the 49ers.
Running Backs wise, I can't believe you left off Thurman Thomas.
go look at his numbers, Bradshaw was one of those QB's who was lucky because of all the talent around him. I do like ur other choices, but I wonder how some of the QB's would do in today's age of football.
I never liked Thurman.
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Ricky Williams?????????????????
Lance Alworth would be on my list of WRs too
when Ricky is healthy and is mind is right, there was no one better. Go watch film of him seriously.
I wanted to put Lance up there and I almost didn't put Larry up there, but Larry is such a talent that I couldn't leave him off, and when it is all said and done he might be the 2nd best wideout ever.
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Since when has Lawrence Taylor been a running back? That's the only LT I acknowledge.
La T I will give you since I know that's who you mean. But I swear every time I hear someone call Tomlinson LT I want to know who had to go and be so mean as to make the baby panda cry. There's only one LT and he played on the other side of the ball.
Lol I just call him LT because it's easier then spelling his name out lmfao
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Top 10 QB
1) Montana
2) Tom Brady
3) Peyton Manning
4) Moon
5) Marino
6) Unitas
7) Elway
8) Favre
9) Brees
10) Dan Fouts
Top 10 Running backs all-time to me (not just stats, but overall skills)
1) Jim Brown
2) Barry Sanders
3) Walter Payton
4) Ricky Williams
5) Bill Sims
6) Bo Jackson
7) LT
8) Marshall Faulk
9) O.J Simpson
10) Marcus Allen
Top 10 WR
1) Rice
2) Moss
3) Harrison
4) Cris Carter
5) Larry Fitz
6) Tim Brown
7) James Lofton
8) Isaac Bruce
9) T.O
10) Andre Reed
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LMAO that's exactly what I was thinking or maybe it should be
lol I was born in 89
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It hurts to see two very old historical franchise like the Mets and Dodgers being destroyed by it's owners.
I have no rejections to the MLB taking over the Dodgers, growing up I use to love listening to my grandfather telling me the days about Gibson gimp around the bases, Sandy being the best pitcher he'd ever seen, and other great things about Dodger blue.
I have never been against a league taking over a team as long as it's for the better of the team. Look at what the leagues did with the Coyotes in the NHL, the Nationals in MLB. NBA took the Hornets over recently and MLB took over the Dodgers.
When McCourt took over the Dodgers I was all for it, but I once thought the former ownership the Lightning just got out of was great to. McCourt started out well but it seems like one of those incidents where the MLB's owners didn't look hard enough into an owners finances and was more impressed with his action in taking the team. This happened with the Lightning as one of the owners ponzi his way into the team pretty much.
I hope the Dodgers get everything under control as well as the Mets. Those are two teams that should improve.
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I'm not too sure. He was hurting because of the XFL. Despite what I say, and despite the fact that the XFL was a mistake on Vince's part, I didn't blame him for trying... I blamed for HOW he tried to do it. The XFL was not a bad idea, but it was certainly poor executed and overhyped. But the XFL... not a bad ideas their WBF.
But coming along with that was the issue of... money. And after losing that much money, he probably didn't feel he could afford those big contracts for WCW. And for your talk on shareholders, he owns a majority of the shares. The others don't mean diddly squat in terms of opinions if he really didn't care. If you own a clear majority, you really can choose to not listen to anyone else.
yeah I believe the McMahons own like 96% of the voting power and the other 4% is spilt with 1% being stock holders (like hey I want to buy some wwe stock) and the other 3% split between Dunn and others within the company
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Heat has nobody that can guard Dirk so thats the seris changer I say Mavs in 6
and the Mavs have no one that can guard the Big 3. It will all come down to the role players. We all know Wade, Dirk, James, and Bosh are going to do, but what are Terry, Kidd, Chandler, Miller, Chalmers, and others going to do to help this series go in their team's favor
I'd say put Chandler on Bosh, because Bosh would struggle the whole time, but that would leave a Heat C under the rim against a smaller PF. If Caron was playing it'd be different, but he isn't
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I believe the Mavs vs Heat series could be a very good one.
You have to teams who have very different talent levels, The Mavs to me are the better overall team with talent being more spread through the entire roster, where the Heat are the 3 headed monster. Problem will come for the Mavs is defending the 3 headed monster while not allowing anyone like Miller, Chalmers, or Bibby to get hot. The Heat will focus on Dirk and Terry, but J. Kidd can't be forgotten. He is on his last leg in terms of championship gold and he could be a force in this series. Tyson Chandler is the better Center in the series as well.
Overall I expect close, good games.
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Yes the way I understand it is if Wilpon gives him 200 million over the next few years, he will own ONLY 33 percent. Basically owns 33 percent of the mets for giving them a loan. But if that money is not paid back he can own the majority, which I believe was 60 when I read it? But that is a hell of a deal to own a third of something for basically a loan.
they are cash strapped
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I have heard lots of people say that they've contacted the Nationals about Ivan Rodriguez. Personally I think they'll get Bengie Molina to come back and catch for them. He has history there, and he was looking at teams in the offseason, so it's not like he's retired for good. Neither would be the best offensive option, but they can both call a great game.
On the Doumit situation, I just don't see the Pirates moving him. I see them trading Chris Snyder, they owe him a lot of money and Doumit is playing very well this season. Snyder would be a good offensive addition to the Giants if it happened.
I personally loved hearing Wilpon rip Reyes and Beltran. It's what the fans are thinking anyways. They are both good players, but they got paid wayyyyyy too much by the previous leadership. He was dead on with Beltran, he got paid for one postseason full of work. He tore apart my Cardinals in that offseason so at the time I was thinking he was worth it, but hindsight is 20/20. I think once the Mets get those awful contracts off the books they will start to turn things back around. At the time they signed the big stars everything looked good and they were a favorite, but they couldn't have known the franchise would implode like it did.
I think the Giants will go for someone defensive over offensive. Molina would be the best option, but I think there are options outside of him for them.
On the Mets front, the winner of the whole deal is the new owner. He bought what like 33% for only 200 million!!!!! then in a couple years he can by majority. If Wilpon blocks it he gets his 200 million back and still keeps the 33%. He has a chance to own 33% of the team without even actually paying for any of the team.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ah, okay... yeah, that does sound like an odd move, I mean it's a web show now, and they didn't even mention it...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah I read it on the reviews. He left Maryse and turned face</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Zeel1" data-cite="Zeel1" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Rhodes vs. DiBiase...? What is this, they're both heels...<p> </p><p> I guess Ted's default face tonight. Maybe a face turn would be good for him, I dunno...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought he turned face on NXT (which is dumb because if you don't watch it you'd never know)</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Edge didn't have much in the way of injuries until about 5 years into his WWE career, by which time he'd been about a ten thousand time tag team champion, Intercontinental champion, King of the Ring, etc. Meanwhile Kennedy had poorly timed injuries that kept him from ever gaining any momentum, and came back from a year long lay-off looking sloppy and with an attitude.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> not only that Kennedy would get hurt right as a push was about to hit. I believe also he had a couple issues with the wellness policy which resulted (along with his injuries) lead to him being released.</p><p> </p><p> Edge was in line for a good push when he got hurt and when he came back they put him in a feud with Orton I believe. It wasn't until Edge switched to his heel gimmick in which we saw him start to win HW titles.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25170" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Great promo from Robert Roode to open iMPACT. Honestly, this guy, if booked right, could be a star for TNA.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I have been waiting for this. I really thought when they hyped him to the moon a couple years ago it was going to happen, then they stuck him and James Storm together (another wrestler I love)</p>
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Yes you would still have to pay the players their contract, but they wouldn't count against the cap anymore.
It would be about a three year period where teams could get under the cap. Then after that they wouldn't be allowed to go over it. It isn't set, but this is what the owners want and there is a better chance of a lockout in the NBA than the NFL and the owners are truly united it seems so far.