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Am I the only one who thought the fantastic opening segment with Hogan, Austin and The Rock was the best part of the show, and that it all pretty much went downhill from there...? Sure, Undertaker losing the streak was a great moment that left me shocked for the first time in wrestling since... well, I can't even remember. But outside of the pinfall and the minutes that followed, the match was horrible. Lesnar was an exceptionally poor matchup for Undertaker if they aimed for a quality match. Now I've never been an Undertaker fan, but like many others, I am puzzled by WWE chosing to let a part-timer end the streak. If they were to end it, I feel it should be a "company man" who did it. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: it should have been Cena who took down the streak, winning the match by cheating and turning heel. Sheamus or Orton could have worked as well, seeing as how they appear to be "company men" as well. The Wyatt-Cena match told a story and furthered a storyline - unfortunately, they just didn't do it very well due to Cena and the referee over-acting absurdly. At least the show ended the right way, with the fans going home (somewhat) happy after Bryan winning. Too bad Orton halfway botched the big Batista Bomb/RKO spot and seemingly got hurt, but as it was an extremely hard spot to time correctly I think it's understandable. Kudos to Orton for always going out there to give 110 %. About Bryan btw... does he always use kicks so excessively? Seems to me like he hardly did anything else but kicking and diving out of the ring at WrestleMania...

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why should Punk care about Bryan? In the wrestling business you have toonly worry about you. Punk doesn't care about Bryan because if it came to it Bryan would run over Punk if he needed too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not saying he should, I'm saying that the Punk fanboys who <em>do</em> entertain that Punk's reason for quitting was him believing Bryan deserved the main event spot at WrestleMania are delusional.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>But people who are WWE marks turn against Punk but it's not him to blame it's WWE.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree. Punk is apparantly one of those wrestlers who forgets that it is the fans who made him a big name and the fans that ultimately makes his bank account swell; leaving a tv taping where the fans has paid to see him in action is absurdly disrespectful towards them and extremely unprofessional, and cannot be attributed to anyone but Punk himself.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Let's face it, Punk vs HHH meant that Bryan would neither be in the title match or facing HHH.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh come on, do you for a second think that Punk cared about where on the card Bryan was placed? He was whiny because *he*, the "best in the world", almighty CM Punk, wasn't in the main event. He was poised to face Triple H, which for pretty much everyone but Punk would have been a prestigeous match. Heck, most wrestlers would be happy to just <em>be on the card</em> at WrestleMania. Only the biggest Punk fans can see that as being "mistreated".</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Plus why do people act like him walking out is bad, he stood up for himself and did the right thing by show them they can't treat him just any way they wanted to.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really? It's not like he was mistreated or anything; he walked out because he didn't feel a match against the guy running the company was a big enough match for him for WrestleMania, and insisted on being in the main event. That's not "standing up for yourself", that's being a little spoiled princess. And he completely screwed all his fans while doing so. Walking out <em>right</em> before a show you are scheduled to appear on, where your fans have paid to see you wrestle, is so absurdly unprofessional that, from the top of my head, I can only think of one guy who did it before at this level: The Ultimate Warrior. And I'm not sure that's the type of guy Punk would want to be associated with...</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mammoth" data-cite="Mammoth" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Who have people got pegged for the three mystery entrants in the Battle Royal? I wouldn't be surprised to see Jake Roberts, Razor Ramon and/or Lita/Ultimate Warrior.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I could easily see Roddy Piper in that match, though your guesswork sounds plausible.</p>

I think it's nice to see that there's a middle way between the goofy jokes of Avengers and Iron Man on one side and the dark and serious tone of The Dark Knight on the other side. Cap 2 was serious, without being overly so. I liked that.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Truly" data-cite="Truly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cool find I stumbled upon; I sincerely thought The Rock had no territorial experience whatsoever before joining the WWE in 1996. Can anyone tell me what year this was? :/ I have a hunch it happened in the same year he debuted but who knows how long he sported that haircut. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Y0SEitEkK98?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Rock's first TV pro wrestling match"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think the WWF signed him after he finished his training and then told him to go get some experience in USWA before using him. While not a development territory per se, WWF often sent workers there.</p><p> </p><p> About CM Punk... I know this is likely an unpopular opinion, but... am I the only one who's tired of his antics and thinks he's somewhat overrated? <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> That said, I'd love to see an Austin vs. Punk feud.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Looks like Batista stole the show at the WM30 press conference.<p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/Fd59ZzJGCW4?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Batista and Randy Orton are set for the main event: WrestleMania 30 Press Conference"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If he did that type of stuff all the time, he would be great - and the crowds would cheer him.</p><p> </p><p> Randy Orton's part however... wow. I used to think he was pretty great, but they completely manhandled his character.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh, I thought that was one of the good things of the movie. What did you not like about it?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Warning! Spoiler below!!!</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I think that it felt unnatural and out of character for Superman (or anyone, for that matter!) to not save his own father because "the world wasn't ready" for his powers... I mean, half of Smallville apparantly knew of his powers already due to some slip-ups when he was a kid - and for the rest of the movie, he does nothing but expose his powers to people who knew who he was... who determines that the world is ready now? How does he know without just taking a chance and risk it? And why was his own father not worth that risk when some random sailors he doesn't know all that well are? And the tacky ending, where an undercover Superman as Clark Kent gets a job at The Daily Planet... I mean, good job using "Clark Kent" as your secret identity when an investigative trip to Smallville could find dozens of people knowing what you can do... and how does someone with zero qualifications land such a high profile job nowadays?</p><p> </p><p> Apart from that, I didn't quite feel the Lois Lane/Superman chemistry in the same way as in the old, campy movies. But it was a beautiful movie filled with spectacular and intensive action, I'll give it that.</p>

<p>The best part of Man of Steel was the Krypton stuff with Russel Crowe, which could have carried a movie by itself.</p><p> </p><p> The rest of the movie, I found to be rather mediocre - with the way they ultimately handled Jonathan Kent nearly ruining the whole thing for me. What a load of...</p>

Saw The Winter Soldier today. Good movie, a different take on the superhero genre with a more spy-thriller feel to it. Really solid action and exciting plot, only with a few hiccups here and there (though one, for me, major one). The best of Marvel Studio's sequels so far. Also: it hinted that we may soon see a certain character on the big screen that has been talked about for quite some time now... cool!

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I mean you can keep amending your wrong statements until they are right. That's cool. Whatever satisfies your rather sizable ego.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> How mature of you to resort to personal insults. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really don't see a point in furthering the argument as it has little to do with movies at this point.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With that, I agree.</p>

Fine, I'll admit I exaggerated. What I meant was that he was known for just the one movie role, which I stand by. He's had success with some well-known TV shows though, I'll agree with you there. I'll stand by my claim that he hasn't won any awards of note though. Well, since you apparantly either didn't get or simply chose to ignore my last post, I'll say it again: that's actually not at all what I meant.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Micheal BJordan was nominated for several awards and has won quite a few. Not to mention The Wire, of course. Only one of the finest acted dramas in the history of american television. But you're right, he hasn't done anything, Hive. Just one movie. One.<p> </p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_B._Jordan#Awards_and_nominations</a></p><p> </p><p> Like I tried to be reasonable and offer an adult counterpoint to the discussion and you breakdown line by line and cap it off with one of the wrongest statements in the entire thread...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah, he got both the Soap Opera Digest Award as well as the Black Reel Awards! Wowzer! I naturally take back my comment about him not being a particular accomplished actor, now that I see things in a new light. Thank you for opening my eyes!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Explain this. I dont recall a white character being played by a black actor in too many comic book adaptations, and certainly none of the recent ones. Heck, what major comic book role went to an actor of a different race other than Kingpin?? Which was in a movie that came out ELEVEN years ago lol. "These days"...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, I was referring to movies in general being overly eager to show how good they are at representing minorities and being politically correct these days, not comic book movies in particular. But that's a completely different discussion.</p><p> </p><p> As to your question, well the original Nick Fury was white, but since the movie version is built on the Ultimate edition of Nick Fury I won't count that (besides, Jackson is great in the role). Other than Kingpin (which was a weird casting choice, but I guess Kingpin-sized actors didn't hang on trees), just from the top of my head, there's Heimdall, Electro, Catwoman (back in her own, terrible movie)... and that's pretty much all I can recall as far as comic book adaptions go. And with the exception of Kingpin (where lots of decisions were so much worse that the otherwise great Michael Clarke Duncan in that part), I don't think race has mattered in those roles - and I particularly think Jackson and Elba were brilliantly cast. What's that, 5 in total? Not much. But it's still 5 more than black characters turned white (not that I'd want to see that either)... imagine the outcry if something like that happened...</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, this really isn't about race for me. This is about staying true to the characters I know. It's fine by me that movie companies want to feature more black, asian, native american or whatever actors in prominent movie roles - but I'd rather they do it with source material that actually features those races or make up brand new characters. As for comic books, I'd love to see Black Panther and Luke Cage on the big screen. And I can't wait to see where they go with Deathlok in Agents of SHIELD. Oh, and I'm looking forward to seeing Bishop in DoFP, even though he doesn't look quite the part imo.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't hold the source material to reverence in these comic book adaptations. As long as the movie's good I don't care what they do with the characters.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But if they don't want to stay the least bit faithful to the source material, why use it at all?</p><p> </p><p> For me, it's the characters that makes the movies. The Avengers, for example, I think was absolutely amazing - it had almost everything I could want from a comic book adaption. But the script itself was nothing special, it was the characters that made the movie. And that's how it will be most of the time when we're talking comic book movies, perhaps with the Dark Knight trilogy being a notable exception.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The challenge will be making a good film. Not sticking close to the source material. So The human torch is black? who cares? At least the dude's a solid actor. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're obviously not a fan of the source material, then. Fans of the source material want both a good film <em>and</em> something that's true to the source material. And Marvel (and to a certain extent Fox themselves) has shown that's perfectly possibly to do, so why not do it? And why not expect it? And most importantly: why not <em>respect</em> it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think if Idris Elba played Batman in Nolan's trilogy the films would have been just as good. They probably wouldn't have been as well received but the quality of the films would have been right there.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Would a black Batman work? Perhaps. But a black Bruce Wayne? It would be a completely different character.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's not like human torch is black for black's sake and they hired like Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry to do it. They hired a very good, accomplished, and well respected actor and I'm all for it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree with pretty much everything you say here:</p><p> </p><p> 1) I'm honestly not so sure that him being black wasn't a part of the reason he got the role. In these days, it's a very hip and politically correct to do.</p><p> </p><p> 2) If not the above reason, I'm sure noone can argue against the fact that he got the part because the director loves him. Which is fine. He could have given him a cameo part like Sam Raimi did with Bruce Campbell in the Spider-Man movies.</p><p> </p><p> 3) Accomplished and well-respected actor? He did 1 movie he got some acclaim for! One!</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't think having black actor in a white role is a problem. That said, I don't think anyone is really saying the opposite is true are they? The opposing argument to mine really is about the fact that some people (rightfully so) just want a faithful adaptation that's close to the source material. When you look at a comic book like Fantastic Four which has such a rich history I don't think it's unreasonable to want that. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For me, it's about sticking close to the source material. When I watch a movie with the comic book heroes of my childhood, I want to feel like it's actually them up there on the big screen - not just some random dude who just happens to use the same logo on his suit. I'd be equally annoyed if they made Storm white or turned the Scarlet Witch into the Scarlet Warlock. You simply lose a great deal of their backstory, about what their characters are all about.</p>

It's not even just about looks; the whole character dynamics with the others will be changed as a result. And for what exactly? What is the purpose of it other than cramming in the director's favorite actor? Is he trying to sell to us that noone else would be able to play Johnny Storm? There will always be stuff they have to change from comics to the big screen, but there has to be limits. If you won't stay the least bit true to the comics, why bother making it at all? And it's not like a comic book character *must* be Dark Knight-ish with realism and angst; Marvel proved successfully many times already that a colorful and fantastic rendition with costumes and all that will work perfectly well.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On the topic of Fantastic Four, I can honestly say I'm looking forward to what Michael B. Jordan does as Human Torch. Being white is not part of the character. It's not like they're casting a white guy as Black Panther. Him being black and Sue being white is easily explainable. They can be half siblings, step siblings or one can be adopted. He's such a talented actor that I think he's going to knock it out of the park.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Again, I find myself in disagreement with you. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> While not a dealbreaker in itself that Johnny Storm for absolutely no good reason turns black (sure, they can explain it away by changing his relationship to Sue - but why on earth do it??), I just find that grouped with all the other rumoured changes, the end result will be so far from FF that they might as well just have made it another piece of generic crap like Chronicle (the director's last superhero movie and reason for his man-crush on Michael B. Jordan)...</p><p> </p><p> Off the top of my head, here are the (semi-spoilerish) facts/rumors on the FF movie:</p><p> - Johnny Storm is black to make way for the director's man-crush.</p><p> - Reed and Ben get their powers as teenagers and grow up working for the government, meeting Sue and Johnny later in their lives.</p><p> - Dr. Doom is a woman.</p><p> - There will be no suits and no cosmic elements.</p><p> </p><p> So basically, they're removing 80 % of the stuff I connect with the FF. A few weeks ago, I read rumors that Fox were actually so unhappy with the director, after hearing fans complain, that they were looking for a last-minute replacement... but that's probably just wishful thinking by some news site... sadly. Personally, I'd throw in Brett Ratner and settle for another X-Men 3-ish clustermess compared to what Josh Trank has lined up...</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>If Fox does one thing, I want it to be anything other than this. I love Schreiber, but his Sabretooth was downright awful. He didn't look the part, he didn't act the part, and he didn't even "sound" the party. Sabretooth shouldn't be a hard character to screw up, and yet they found a way. Few things about X-Men Origins are good, most things are bad, and his Sabretooth is one of the bad.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Did he look, act or sound like the comic book Sabretooth? No, I agree. But neither does Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. For the movie universe, and in the context of how much they changed Wolverine, I think his Sabretooth worked surprisingly well - and it was one of the few things they got right in that movie, in my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> But eh, to each his own...</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Fox announced a mystery Marvel movie for release in 2018 and that's most likely X-Force, but that's coming out after Apocalypse. The next two X-Moves after Days of Future Past from Fox are Apocalypse and Wolverine 3. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, and that is unfortunate. Age of Apocalypse would have been a fantastic way to do an Avengers style movie with X-Men, X-Force and Fantastic Four all together. And another Wolverine movie? Well... I love Wolverine as a character, but I'm getting a bit tired of him always being the center piece of everything X-Men related (bar First Class). And while a huge improvement over the first one, I don't think the last Wolverine movie was all that great...</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Superhumans and Mutants have too many similarities, yet they live in the same world and one is discriminated and the other is praised, why wouldn't the similarities lead to similar prejudice and lead to both groups fighting in every single war when their very well being was on the line? Don't the humans consider anyone with superpowers to be Mutants?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They've had stories covering this subject before.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25823" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I selfishly hope for Cable to be prominently featured with his back-story covered. I always loved that Apocalypse saga of the old Fox Kids Cartoons</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Given that they are working on an X-Force movie, I think it's a safe bet that you'll get to see both Cable and Deadpool again before too long. And with the introduction of Apocalypse as a villain, that could be a perfect setup.</p><p> </p><p> If it were up to me, I'd have them setup Acopcalypse (and possibly Sinister in a smaller role) as the villain in an X-Force movie - and then do the Age of Apocalypse storyline with characters from both X-Men and X-Force, bringing back dead and less-profiled characters. And Liv Schreiber's Sabretooth, please.</p>

<p>I think eventually we'll see Marvel/Disney, Fox and Sony do some shared stuff - but not quite yet.</p><p> </p><p> With Fox and Sony seeing how successful Marvel have been with a shared universe, and attempting to build their own franchises within the licensed material they have (X-Men, X-Force and Fantastic Four for Fox and Spider-Man, Venom and Sinister Six for Sony), I think it's only a question of time before Fox and Sony could see the benefitial exponation from having eg. Wolverine and Spider-Man show up in an Avengers movie.</p><p> </p><p> Not many people know this, but the Oscorp building from The Amazing Spider-Man was actually supposed to show up in The Avengers - but they couldn't get the computermodel ready quite in time, so they had to scrap the idea again. But the agreement to feature it was in place.</p><p> </p><p> Of course, there's a difference between featuring buildings and featuring characters/actors - but it's a start. And just having Stark Enterprises show up in X-Men or The Baxter Building in Spider-Man would go a long way to give the illusion of a big, shared universe.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He could always play Luke Cage</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah, The Rock is not "Harlem-ish" enough for Luke Cage.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chris" data-cite="Chris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Watching last nights Raw and the angle with Cena backstage putting water on his face and seeing Erick Rowans sheep mask behind him, I knew I had seen it before! Randy Orton v The Undertaker done a similar angle.<p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/SIxPeBobiSo?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Randy Orton sees Undertaker in mirror"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, about that...</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/78XbX5tVFeY?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Hulk Hogan Sees Warrior in Mirror"></iframe></div></div>

I think the point is that they remember him.

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I don't get the interest in Sting vs. Taker either. In 2002 or 2003, it would've been a big match. But in addition to both guys being 50 or thereabout and Sting wrestling in a t-shirt, I think there's another pretty big problem: would the younger portion of WWE's fan base even know who Sting is? A lot of the kids in Cena shirts weren't even <em>alive</em> when WCW closed.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm sure some clever use of old WCW footage in video packages would do wonders for Sting. They could have him win a few high-profile matches against top stars first, to show the fans that he's "the real deal".</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>At least with this same gimmick, Hulk Hogan would appear worried/nervous and sell the heel as a MAJOR threat.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hogan often gets a lot of flak for being selfish and refusing to put anyone over, but I simply don't feel that's true. Look back at his feuds even with the most silly of opponents, like The Dungeon of Doom; look how he sold anything they did. Look how he sold being hugged by a dude dressed up like a mummy. Look how he sold Warrior being in his mirror in the dumbest WCW skit since Robocop was Sting's valet. Damn, he even sold the Rock Bottom like it was a Piledriver to a concrete floor...</p>