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Summerslam is looking very nice this year. Shamus is great but how awesome is Mark Henry? I was at Smackdown this week I'm telling you Shamus got a legit face pop, I felt like mostly because he came out to stand up to Mark Henry. That's a testament to how great Henry has been lately in that monster heel role. Not to take anything away from the human jar of mayo. He's one of my favorites. Just thought about how surprisingly good Henry has been lately to me.

agreed... she is adorable.

Ya sorry never really heard of him until Punk mentioned him. I follow ROH and Chikara a little bit but I'm not really up on all the indies. The dude has an amazing story either way.

Yea dude Shaemus was awesome when he first got to RAW. I think he'll be just fine though in time. Jack Swagger has been booked tragically too ever since he had his world title run. BTW if anyone is interested in that Gregory Irons story: http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=6815920

Shaemus is great, period.

Can't wait till smackdown airs... Keeping it spoiler free but it was actually one of the better smackdowns I've seen in awhile. Summerslam is shaping up very nicely. This whole Punk angle is super hot. You guys hear about Gregory Irons? I had no idea this dude even existed until CM Punk brought him up. He's legit got cerebral paulsy and he lets guys make fun of him and what not. I work in healthcare so believe me I don't enjoy ripping on the misfortunate. However, a guy that is that comfortable with who is, that overcomes that every single weekend when he hits the indies and works just as hard as any of these guys... unbelieveable story. Google it if you feel like being inspired by this goofy buisiness.

Agreed. This has devolved into a pointless board war with gross misrepresentation and manipulation of words. It's annoying to read. I'd really like to get back to the Zack Ryder conversation... WWWYKI

Meltzer took something that wasnt true... and presented it as a news story. I'm sorry if that's not a lie. And Hive, remember when I cleared up soemthing I said. then you said, "No." LITERALLY. Then you went on to talk about what I really meant lol. That's called putting words in someone's mouth.

When I said bury I meant that he physically takes a shovel and puts his opponent in a a grave.

Remember what we talked about with putting words in peoples mouths??

Dude I love that you quoted Rocky 6 lol... awesome flic. I'm kinda rooting for Tito. I know he'll get demolished in my head but my heart wants to see Tito get a title shot after he was being discussed as being not even UFC worthy on the webz.

I never said it's all lies though like you previously claimed. See how your argument morphs and changes when you break things down and take them out of context? I said it's fantasy talk becuse it is. You take hearsay aand represent it as fact... almost as if it's a fantasy. I asked you to quote me saying all wrestlign sstories are lies... so keep trying. I also never said Undertaker lied. I said he was telling his version which makes it a half-truth. Which it probably is. Hate to make an MMA point again but if anyone wants to look at the undertaker/Lesnar video after lesnar lost the Cain fight then you'll see he is also a publicity whore who likes to get his name in the media when he gets the rare opportunity to do so. That doesn't make him a liar or a bad person. That makes him a person in the pro wrestling buisiness. Excuse me if I dont trust him as a legitimate journalist trying to get true information to the people. considering he buries people when he's done pinning them and all... like are you for real dude?

I like Zack Ryder alot and have since ECW. I always got a kick out of him and I really respect that the second ECW got taken off he hit the net like a champ. I mean he was doing great things on twitter "before it was cool" and when ECW was still on... but man has he taken that to the next step lately. His in-ring work is o.k.... but the guy is an amazing TV character to me. I think they are going to be using him more. I was at smackdown this week and I really liked the Tyson Kidd / Yoshi Tatsu match from NXT. The stupid leg on a necklace thing made me laugh pretty hard (in a good way) but the match itself was pretty solid. I wish WWe had some kind of thing similar to an "X" division where guys like that could really show their stuff longform. Maybe when they get the network going we'll see soemthing like this. I feel like Yoshi Tatsu / Kidd could be an awesome 30 minute match but there's understandably no way that'll ever happen the way current WWE programming is.

If you at any point can quote me saying "all wrestlign stories are lies" than I'd love to see it. I really shouldn't have to reitterate this since we can all read. I said I think it's a little silly to talk about backstage things as if you know FOR A FACT exactly how it went. In any situation, whether it's wrestling, among friends, work politics, whatever... when you go by hearsay and repeat it as truth it generally isn't a good thing to do. Thank you.

Piece of advice: When you say, "So you are saying (insert random thought here)?" and the person in question never actually said any of it... you are putting words in their mouth. It's a classic arguing tactic when you have no actual way of discussing what they actually DID say. You went piece by piece, took everything I said, and morphed your own points around it making me seem like I made points I never said nor implied. I refuse to argue in that light. So I'm going to make a quick little point here. Pro wrestling is a very secretive buisness. Things are very political and very little gets out that guys like Vince McMahon don't want out there. Very little can actually be confirmed (even though wrestling sites love to throw the word "confirmed" around) as true or untrue. So I'll use a Dave Meltzer MMA story simply as an example: About a year ago, Brock Lesnar lost to Cain Velasquez rather brutally. Meltzer reported that Lesnar was going to quit MMA and had doubts about wether he could hang with good MMA strikers in the UFC. I'm paraphrasing. Even though Dana White loled at the craziness of that story, it was discussed on ESPN and all over the internet as if it was actually jornalism so I'm sure you all remember it. A few weeks later Lesnar was announced as a TUF coach and agreed to fight Junior Dos Santos - one of MMA's most feared strikers. Point is: he lied. This might seme off topic but it's not. Meltzer is primarily a pro wrestling journalist and he writes for a very secretive industry. MMA isn't as secretive and is much more transparent and he was exposed as someone who flat out makes up stories. This is why YOU CANT BELIEVE DIRT SHEETS.

Steen is one of my favorite wrestlers of the last few years. His fued with El Generico last year was amazing. ROH rules.

People lie, people get things wrong, people get misinformed. I've seen videos of guys telling me they killed a sasquatch. Video of a guy talking doesn't make it reality. Is Undertaker telling the truth? Most likely. We all get a pretty good sense of how things are. It's no secret from various sources that HBK and HHH tried to bury just about everyone there was. So I don't know where you come off jumping to conclussions puting words in my mouth. That's ONE video and it has nothing to do with the Hogan match in question for starters. Anything the fans get as backstage info is probably carefully planned, especially from a long term employee like the Undertaker. Another thing is that I hope if you've been a fan of this buisness long enough that you should know that no one really tells the truth in pro wrestling. It's all one guy's side versus the other guys side. So when you start going into what Shawn Michaels was thinking and behaving like backstage like you KNOW... not like you think or like you heard but like you KNOW... it's uncomfortable for me to read. Speculation is one thing. Thats what boards like these are for. But there's been people who are CORRECTING other people as if they know for a FACT exactly what was going on backstage during the Hogan / Michaels match. Thats when you go wrong in my book.

I dont know that anyone claimed Shawn WASNT overselling. It's fairly obvious. The match overall really isn't that bad. It's been featured on several WWE DVDs so I mean it's not like it's this big deal I feel liek some make it out to be. My problem with this entire discussion is the behind the scenes fantasy talk and the absolute certainty some guys have when discussing it.

I think some of you are overexaggerating what happened in the match. It's a character flaw among smarks, we think we know everythign when all we know is what's been given to us.

I'm still just enamoured with how much some of you guys know about who wanted to job to who and who refused and the psychology behind it and all the inner workings of what actually happened backstage. Very educational. So... Shawn's "antics" were him having excellent ring psychology and working heel to the crowd for an entire match... then finishing the match as a face...

Wow... you guys sure seem to know EXACTLY what happened between Michaels and Hogan backstage. Most be those super accurate dirt sheets. I think Rey will get a rematch on Raw either this week or next week. For starters, he and Cena actually had a pretty good TV match on monday. I watched the whole time and enjoyed myself. It's a no-brainer match for Monday. It would provide either a credible main event or a huge opener to the show.

<p>Yea I dont feel like they are rushing the Punk storyline at all. It's the hottest thing in wrestling right now and they gave him two weeks off after the PPV... what more do you want?</p><p> </p><p> They brought him back very briefly on TV and teased the fans a bit. We all know he'll have stuff to say and we'll all tune it to hear it. If you legitimately thought they would rest Punk whiel he's as hot as he is... especially leading up to summerslam.... well... you simply deserve to be "disappointed".</p>

Horrible point. WWE has posted low ratings, but thats because July is terrible for ratings. No shows do well in july. If you compare their numbers by previous years, this july is huge for them. But you didn't bother to look at that when you made your point, did you? If you can break your fingers away from the keyboard long enough to actually watch wrestling, you'd see that Punk has been getting massive pops all around the country (even when he's not there!), not just in Chicago. This is the dawn of something special in my opinion.

Thing is, a good heel is supposed to make you wanna see him get beaten. Look at Miz. Alex Riley is prettymuch a zero as a face but he's getting over becaue of how much people hate the Miz. Micheal Cole just makes me wanna change the channel. It's uncomfortable when he interupts King's jokes and runs down the Diva matches.

I think they shoudl just all be heels. That's basically what happened in the Attitude era. All the top faces were kinda heels, people just cheered them. I see why John Cena has his purpose. I try not to be the cynical wrestling fan and think all the faces are lame. I think there are certain guys who would have to stay face. But i think 99% of the roster should get a little more heeled up. It makes the characters much more entertaining and fun to watch.