Calling All Mainstreamers!

[keefmoon]

Sorry guys, I had a bit too much to drink last night so wording what I was trying to get accross was hard. But funnily enough, it's actually worked out as I'd hoped. What I meant was I wanted a place for people to come on and chat about things they like that are normal. If you like mainstream stuff and aren't ashamed that you like normal things then that's great. I agree with pretty much everything that's been said on here. I don't like things [I]because[/I] they are popular, but I like some popular things. There are also some things I don't like because they are popular. Borat for example. I'm sure it's pretty funny but there was so much hysteria over it and so many people saying "hi five" that it did nothing for me. A lot of the examples are great here too. I absolutely loved the Fast Show, and Simpsons used to be great. Yesterday on Channel 4 they showed the one where the Flanders become foster parents for Bart, Lisa and Maggie and even tohugh I've seen it countless times, I loved it. When Homer was pretending to be interested in a car and he has the monocle and says "What are the advantages of this car over, say, a train? Which I could also afford" I literally spat my drink out because I'd forgotten about that line. It's a shame it started to dwindle creativily. I don't think there has been a really good new episode since the Brazil one. I'm glad that there are other peple like me on here. People that like normal, regular things, not because they are popular, but because they are entertining or you like the look of them or whatever. Most topics on here seem so show that you are all into artistic Japanese cartoons or something. I'm glad you're not :p

[Jasx12]

Liking something because it's "trendy" makes you a sheep. Liking something "mainstream" because you find it to be good doesn't make you less of an individual. For instance... I'm a college student, love rap, wear expensive clothing, and spend tons of time playing sports, drinking beer, and watching ESPN. Does that make me "mainstream"? If it does, so be it. I dare you to find another sports freak like myself that plays TEW, and spends 90% of his free time playing MMOs. On the rap side, I will say I hate rappers like 50 Cent, and whoever sings the "This is Why I'm Hot" song. That's not true rap, it's bragging over a beat. I give them credit for being able to make it, but I won't listen to it. Anyways, making it mainstream normally means it's a good thing. But for god sakes, do something because you like it, not because the radio station/clothes store/magazines are pimping it out. By the way, Taker... flannel is perfect for a chilly night out on a boat during fishing time. No matter what age :D

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=Jasx12;228649]By the way, Taker... flannel is perfect for a chilly night out on a boat during fishing time. No matter what age :D[/QUOTE] That's still no excuse, be a man and drink hard liquor instead. ;) [quote=keefmoon]Borat for example. I'm sure it's pretty funny but there was so much hysteria over it and so many people saying "hi five" that it did nothing for me.[/quote] Agreed. I found it funny in parts but it lost it's way as the film went on and it didn't deserve the hype that it got. I think it was just because people outside of the US were finally getting to see him so he had a wider audience. The same thing happened with Ali G, I loved his stuff on 'that' show (can't remember the name of it) and when it was turned into a film it was still funny but it was too long for the same sort of joke.

[Jasx12]

Real Men drink beer.

[sebsplex]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;228644]But you yourself are an individual by the personality you have and by being who you are, the clothes you wear don't make you an individual. I had a friend at school who went through the 'goth' phase (well, he's still in it 10 years later! :p) because he wanted to look like an individual. The ironic thing is that on a Saturday afternoon in the town centre you could see 50 other people who looked exactly like him.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it's just like the South Park episode where Stan gets dumped by Wendy and decides to hang out with the Goth kids... if you want to be an individual, then you have to do exactly what we do, dress in the same clothes and like the same music as us. Intentionally going against trends for the sake of it is a trend in itself. Fashion trends in particular are cyclical... if you throw out a style of jeans that you like wearing just because everyone else starts wearing them, that doesn't make you any more individual. It just means you're insecure. I also imagine almost everyone on the face of the planet has at one time picked up on something they've liked, only for it to suddenly explode in popularity. Look at Green Day for instance; I remember loads of fans crying that Green Day had sold out and gone mainstream when Dookie was released. Now you've got a whole host of Green Day fans who got into the band courtesy of that landmark album crying the same thing because of the success of American Idiot. Heck, I loved Blink 182 when I got ahold of Dude Ranch... I didn't stop liking them just because a year or so later loads of people who had previously never heard of them were suddenly singing 'All The Small Things'.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=sebsplex;228675]I remember loads of fans crying that Green Day had sold out and gone mainstream when Dookie was released.[/QUOTE] When someone says that a person/group/TV show/whatever has "sold out," what they're really saying is "I don't like my idols to be able to feed their families."

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=Jasx12;228673]Real Men drink beer.[/QUOTE] Well, kind of. Real men drink real beer and there isn't any of that in the States :p. Quote The Raven Nevermore

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Remianen;228594] Ron Isley hooking up with R.Kelly has made the Isley Brothers SO much money, [URL="http://www.vibe.com/news/news_headlines/2006/09/ronald_isley_gets_3_years_for_tax_evasion/"]Ron's going to jail for tax evasion[/URL]. :p Many R&B fans nowadays would have no idea who the Chi-Lites are but I bet they know the Isleys (or at least Mr Biggs)![/QUOTE] "Ohh, Girl, tell me what am I gonna do? I know I got a guilty face, girl I feel so out of place." Memmories. That's true to an extent... They might know the group, or the artist, but do they know it's the same one that sang THAT Song? Like the Isley brother's (Yeah, I heard about that tax thing on Ron... Gotta pay the tax's), alot of people know them from the Mr. Biggs thing... (Contagious). Other's remember the "Footsteps in the dark" Phase... but most don't realise they also did "Twist and shout" way back when... Kind of hard to imagine that the group that did that can still put out the occasional number 1 hit. Lot's of people know Jeffrey Osborn, but not LTD ("Where did we go wrong?"). Dazz band, Gap Band, Zapp (as opposed to Roger). Cameo, Parliment.. Ton's of stuff that I consider must have's, or at least a few songs from each. The thing is, back then the WHOLE ALBUM could tell you a story that went together... This was true in alot of other markets as well, like Lionel Ritchie's first solo album (Might actually be working on a Commodores album RIGHT NOW, from some gossip I've heard), Bruce Springstein, Billy Joel, etc.. They alot of times had something to say by listening to the whole album. I know there is the occasional artist or group out today that do this as well, just alot of times it doesn't. Kind of opposite from the times I'm so fond of. Music is, and probably always will be my first passion. I haven't done any "real" dj'ing in a couple of years, but I still get alot of requests around holidays-in particular new years. I'm not a normal DJ though, I like to be in complete controll of the night, when I play. I'm pretty versatile, so it doesn't really matter that much who I'm playing for. My theory has always been... You listen to a DJ to dance, Bands are for Rock and Country. There is the occasional crossover's that can be put into the set, as well as in between (Slow song's) you can throw in something, or during happy hours. I'm not completely lost in the dark ages' though. I know most the popular stuff out today as well, just not to the extent I do the older.

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;228677]Well, kind of. Real men drink real beer and there isn't any of that in the States :p. Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] lmao! [I]*applauds*[/I] :D

[tristram]

[QUOTE=sebsplex;228675]Exactly, it's just like the South Park episode where Stan gets dumped by Wendy and decides to hang out with the Goth kids... if you want to be an individual, then you have to do exactly what we do, dress in the same clothes and like the same music as us. Intentionally going against trends for the sake of it is a trend in itself. Fashion trends in particular are cyclical... if you throw out a style of jeans that you like wearing just because everyone else starts wearing them, that doesn't make you any more individual. It just means you're insecure. I also imagine almost everyone on the face of the planet has at one time picked up on something they've liked, only for it to suddenly explode in popularity. Look at Green Day for instance; I remember loads of fans crying that Green Day had sold out and gone mainstream when Dookie was released. Now you've got a whole host of Green Day fans who got into the band courtesy of that landmark album crying the same thing because of the success of American Idiot. Heck, I loved Blink 182 when I got ahold of Dude Ranch... I didn't stop liking them just because a year or so later loads of people who had previously never heard of them were suddenly singing 'All The Small Things'.[/QUOTE] See, that's what I don't get, Green Day are still a kicka$$ band. So their songs got a lot of airplay - what the f*** is wrong with that? Without being commercialised, a lot of people straight out just wouldn't know about them. And that'd be a shame, because they just are f***** great.

[G-Prime]

[QUOTE=Remianen;228641]I disagree. I think it makes you first and foremost an individual.[/QUOTE] Changing what you like, just because everyone else likes it doesn't make you an individual. Liking whatever the hell you want, and not worrying whether or not everyone else likes it is individual. Who cares if all of a sudden, you're not the only person in your town that wears . Do you honestly say something to the effect of 'Oh no, I'm not an individual any more, even though I was wearing this before they were, someone else is wearing it now too, I have to change it, just so I can be different again.'?

[djthefunkchris]

You know, although I can see the point everyone is making about Remi, I have to back him up here.... All he is saying is to "Stay" an individual, he finds himself changing when what he is doing is popular. Kind of to stay OUT of the trends as much as possible. It irritates him if everyone is wearing the same clothes, or shoe's, or maybe even a necklace he wears... To stress his individuality he makes a point of not being "Just Like" everyone else. It's not really a matter of taste as much as a matter of wanting to be a complete individual... Some people like Liver... Just because it's not a trend, Other's actually just like it, and prefer it. It's like going out to your favorite bar, not club, but you know, the hole in the wall you and your friend go to play pool... Or the little place you go to play a video game.... When these spots are small, and you know everyone there it's like Cheer's... but when they get huge, and you know maybe 10% of the people there, it lose's that "Cheers" flavor, so you look for another place just for that "Cheers" factor. I don't know, I see his point, maybe I'm not explaining it much better. I understand the point of just ignoring what people like, or dislike... and doing what you want reguardless, I really do. But I think Remi has a great way of dealing with his individuality in a way that... Well, Probably makes him more popular then the trend.... Just when everyone else starts getting into what he is, he's already on to the next thing. You might say, he's responsible for the trend, a Leader not a follower. I find nothing wrong with that.

[djthefunkchris]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;228677]Well, kind of. Real men drink real beer and there isn't any of that in the States :p. Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] Real men drink COLD beer.

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=djthefunkchris;228861]It irritates him if everyone is wearing the same clothes, or shoe's, or maybe even a necklace he wears... To stress his individuality he makes a point of not being "Just Like" everyone else. [/quote] But as I said previously, the clothes you wear do not make you who you are. [quote=djthefunkchris]It's like going out to your favorite bar, not club, but you know, the hole in the wall you and your friend go to play pool... Or the little place you go to play a video game.... When these spots are small, and you know everyone there it's like Cheer's... but when they get huge, and you know maybe 10% of the people there, it lose's that "Cheers" flavor, so you look for another place just for that "Cheers" factor. [/quote] I go to two pubs like that. One of them became popular at one point and you had a lot of new faces in there, but over time they all disappeared and went onto the next latest trendy pub and so the "Cheers" factor returned. If i'd moved on and tried to find another pub then I wouldn't see the people I still do in there. Ride out the storm I say, if you wear trendy stuff/go to trendy places then why should you have to change? [quote=djthefunkchris]Real men drink COLD beer.[/quote] Having beer cold takes away the taste of it.... so I can understand why you drink your American beers cold. :D

[djthefunkchris]

Ha, :rolleyes: :confused: :mad:

[Jasx12]

True. Beer has to be chilled, but not cold. But I live in the crap beer capitol of the world, so I love all beers.

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=Undertaker666;228863]Having beer cold takes away the taste of it.... so I can understand why you drink your American beers cold. :D[/QUOTE] Oh, how well put :D! Quote The Raven Nevermore

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=tristram;228803]See, that's what I don't get, Green Day are still a kicka$$ band. So their songs got a lot of airplay - what the f*** is wrong with that? Without being commercialised, a lot of people straight out just wouldn't know about them. And that'd be a shame, because they just are f***** great.[/QUOTE] Well, don't know I'd have used them as an example of that. Never really been a fan of the guys myself. But even so, I get the spirit of the point. Their quality hasn't suffered just because they've gotten big. And granted I may not have heard their pre-fame work often enough to have a valid perspective. But from I have heard of them over the years, I would be shocked if the decline was as steep as the folks who call them sellouts suggest.

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=Jasx12;228673]Real Men drink beer.[/QUOTE] You misspelled "tequila."

[Nevermore]

[QUOTE=shamelessposer;228957]You misspelled "tequila."[/QUOTE] You misunderstood "men". Quote The Raven Nevermore

[shamelessposer]

[QUOTE=Nevermore;228961]You misunderstood "men". Quote The Raven Nevermore[/QUOTE] Fair enough. I'm just trying to figure out why all you real men think it's a good idea to get drunk off of one of the ingredients for penicillin. ;)

[Jasx12]

Because we leave the tequila for the women? Plus... penicillin is good, we don't get sick. It's like in the Snickers commercial after the guys kiss, they have to "do something manly" like rip out chest hair. Drinking a beer is along those lines, as is eating red meat.

[panix04]

[QUOTE=Jasx12;230514] Drinking a beer is along those lines, as is eating red meat.[/QUOTE] mmm.....red meat Perhaps i am in the wrong, but i thought it was now trendy to have your entire wardrobe filled with £3.99 Jeans from primark and Tesco's? I guess im not as trendy as i thought, oh well! Straight up though, when it comes to clothe's i like to quote Tyler Durden "your not your F****** Khakis" basically, what you were does not have to define who you are. My wardrobe is a mixed up clusterf*** of loud shirts that i picked up from charity shops, footballt tops, and cheap cloth's that i thought looked nice at the time, i didn't buy cloth's because Britney Spears was wearing them (apart from this lovely pair of PVC trousers) and i didn't buy any of them thinking, i bet no-one else will be wearing these. When i gout on the beer, if i fancy a guiness i will have a guiness, if Cider takes my fancy then i will go with that, hell if want a blue WKD, then thats what i will order! Even the music i listen too is a fairly mixed bag. I like a lot of middle of the road stuff: Sister Hazel, Matchbox 20 etc. I like a bit of pop too, especially the barenaked ladies (best live group ever!) i like hip hop in measured doses and you can't beat a bit of rock. I do watch the OC and i love friends and scrubs i even watch Americas next top model (only 'cos i have a think for Tyra banks though!), but on the other hand i also like to watch Quantum leap, due south, phoenix night etc. I think the point i am trying to make is that i don't give much of a toss about what id do, watch, listen to etc. I am me! I am an individual and fiercly so! I cant be easily catagorised into either mainstream or cult-follower i am far too complex for that - or in other words "i'm the all sining, all dancing crap of the world!" By the way every beer i had in the state's was repulsive, why can't you find a real ale in the states? :confused:

[Undertaker666]

[QUOTE=panix04;230524]i didn't buy clothes because Britney Spears was wearing them (apart from this lovely pair of PVC trousers)[/quote] Panix in PVC trousers.... i'm gonna need therapy after that image popped in my head.... :eek: [quote=panix04]By the way every beer i had in the state's was repulsive, why can't you find a real ale in the states? :confused:[/QUOTE] I have to admit, they do have [B]one[/B] good beer - Samuel Adams.

[panix04]

perhaps i was unfortunate in that the only place i really tried the beer in was vegas and most of the hotel bars only really did Miller or Bu, im not really a fan of either! Plus i was irate 'cos i forgot my passport and had to walk the length of the strip just to get it so i could have a cold Beer! 21 years old before you can drink? there having a bubble!