angeldelayette Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I've never seen this theory before. Where did you hear this? Fascinating. I can't imagine it being seriously discussed to be honest, because Sting was always WCW's top babyface, even when Hogan was in town. The only names I've ever heard as being the third man were Bret Hart (1st choice) and HBK which is a debated rumor still. Edit: Geez, that idea would have rocked to be honest. I'm a big Sting mark and him turning heel back then would have been epic. In Eric Bischoff's book Controversy Creates Cash, he speaks about how Sting was a possibility and how Lex Luger was also a possibility, which is why they took Luger out during the match so that if Hogan backed out at the last minute they'd have someone else to come back out and stage the attack. Steven Borden was really conflicted about it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 In Eric Bischoff's book Controversy Creates Cash, he speaks about how Sting was a possibility and how Lex Luger was also a possibility, which is why they took Luger out during the match so that if Hogan backed out at the last minute they'd have someone else to come back out and stage the attack. Steven Borden was really conflicted about it though. Oh man! It would have flopped so hard if it had been Luger! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What if WCW and ECW came together in ECW's time of need ( Money wise.) and fought off WWF. I mean they combine the two styles, name it diffrent possibly and have Haymen and Bischoff book it and Turner run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 hmm WECW intresting it could work seeing has how WCW had the hardcore title at the time and many former ECW talent problem is Haymen and Bischoff absolutly hate eachothers guts! SO you would have to make 1 the boss or do the brand split thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I think it would have worked perfectly to be honest, but there's no reason Bischoff would need to be in any sort of power. By the time this would have happened he barely had any say in the company anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ted's Money and tv connections plus Heyman's brilliance really what we are all waiting/hoping for eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ted's Money and tv connections plus Heyman's brilliance really what we are all waiting/hoping for eh. Yeah it would have been fantastic. Sigh. I remember towards the end of both companies thinking "Why doesn't WCW just go get those guys?" I'll never understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCBiggz Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Wouldn't have worked. ECW at that time was the antithesis of WCW. Not to mention part of the backlash of ECW was their show on TNN being so heavily edited, which would continue on one of Turner's networks. And just like the WWE the writing teams for WCW/WWF are quite large as opposed to Heyman and others recording stuff in basements and creating stuff on the fly so I doubt any of his ideas would come to fruition without heavy mishandling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattitudeV2 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What if... ECW had Hugh Hefner own the company and Paul Heyman stayed on as booker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What if... ECW had Hugh Hefner own the company and Paul Heyman stayed on as booker. It would have gradually turned into what WWE is now what with the divas and the general softcore, airbrushed approach to everything. What if Larry Flynt got involved however, his attitude seems more akin to Heyman's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingfan1 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I have two actually: I remember seeing (either rise and fall of ECW or the Monday Night Wars) Austin say that WCW fired him because "they couldn't market" someone in black tights and black boots (only to vomit bill goldberg all over the place a few years later). So that leads me to the first what if scenario: What if WCW had never fired Steve Austin? I read or saw something somewhere that mentioned Austin was a last minute replacement winner for the KOTR ( the birthplace of 3:16 ) when someone was injured, if thats true then: What if Austin never gave his infamous Austin 3:16 speech at KOTR? ( I always used to joke with people and tell them that if it wasn't for that catch phrase he would of been Al Snow's partner. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Ok 1: Austin would have been wasted in WCW because Vince is the one who came up with his gimmick that made him a star in WWf/E. 2: He still would have been big but probley not as much T Shirt sells:D he would have still been pushed and would of had fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCBiggz Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 It would have gradually turned into what WWE is now what with the divas and the general softcore, airbrushed approach to everything. What if Larry Flynt got involved however, his attitude seems more akin to Heyman's. We've already had porn wrestling --- XPW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slack Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 If Austin stayed in WCW, I think he would been upper midcarder ay best. Vince didn't create "Stone Cold". He created "The Ringmaster". When they let Steve show a little of himself, thats what got him over. That and Wrestlemania 13 against Bret Hart. I can't think of any match where a loser gained so much. The face of Austin screaming with blood all over his face, thats the toughest SOB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurningHamster Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 We've already had porn wrestling --- XPW. Yeah, and it was superb. All kidding aside, it was just the Hefner comment which made me think of Larry Flynt due to his railing for freedom of speech and being so anti-censorship and Paul Heyman's outspoken dislike of being hamstrung by the censors. Personally I prefer porn and wrestling to be kept as far apart as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 I have two actually: I remember seeing (either rise and fall of ECW or the Monday Night Wars) Austin say that WCW fired him because "they couldn't market" someone in black tights and black boots (only to vomit bill goldberg all over the place a few years later). So that leads me to the first what if scenario: What if WCW had never fired Steve Austin? I read or saw something somewhere that mentioned Austin was a last minute replacement winner for the KOTR ( the birthplace of 3:16 ) when someone was injured, if thats true then: What if Austin never gave his infamous Austin 3:16 speech at KOTR? ( I always used to joke with people and tell them that if it wasn't for that catch phrase he would of been Al Snow's partner. ) He actually replaced Triple HHH because of the MSG incident. And yeah he came up with those lines himself Vince was just smart enough to capitilize on it. Plus it was in reaction to a character then played by Jake "The Snake" Roberts as a reborn Christian not part of any planned gimmick change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodzillahotrod Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 i've always wonder what if bret never left wwe? i would have to say owen would of never died the way he did, he might of died yes but not that way which would of changed a lot of thing really. what if wwe actually captolized on cruiserweight divison? they have so much great talent i think this would of been the star of the whole wwe and heavyweight would be as popular i had more but cant think of them now i read to much lol poor me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike b Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 A World Without Hulkamania OK here is a scenario for you. Vince McMahon Jr does not follow in his father footsteps and the WWF is sold to a individual who like Vince Sr respects the old ways and territories. Hulk Hogan does not leave the AWA but remains there for several years but never becomes anything more then a decent main eventer and eventually leaves wrestling. What would the wrestling world be like without Hulkamania and what would it possibly look like today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What if they never decided to de-mask Kane? Where would he be at now? Would he have had more runs with the top belt? I still feel that taking the mask off Kane is one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made. He still is, and always will be one of my favourite wrestlers but his character is so stale now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca316 Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 What if they never decided to de-mask Kane? Where would he be at now? Would he have had more runs with the top belt? I still feel that taking the mask off Kane is one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made. He still is, and always will be one of my favourite wrestlers but his character is so stale now. If they didn't take off his mask i doubt he would have become so stale and lacking direction really and i think he may have got a lengthy run with a top belt as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyde Hill Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Actually he was getting stale with Mask on, they just should have put it back on him after he was getting stale in his current form and then have a "revitilized" Kane get a Championship run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Yeah, maybe his character was getting a bit stale with the mask on but I think taking it off was too drastic. They should've just gave him a serious 'injury' inflicted by another worker, preferably a main-eventer. Then, a few months down the line, that main-eventer is getting a title shot. Kane returns, more psychotic then ever, and costs said main-eventer the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedew Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 How exactly would you explain him putting the mask back on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UkWrestleFan Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 How exactly would you explain him putting the mask back on? Exactly. For me, part of Kane's mystery, his appeal, was his mask. The whole reason behind the mask was the fact that he was badly disfigured because of the fire, was it not? But suddenly, he took it off and nothing. Yes, he's kind of ugly but not the kind of ugliness a fire could cause to your face. It'd still be cool if he put the mask back on. They teased it during his feud with Mysterio, and while I would mark out for it, it just wouldn't be the same. They'd have to put him in some kind of angle with Taker, maybe after a casket match. Taker sets the casket alight and Kane burns. It's revealed later, on WWE.com or whatever, that Kane survived but has suffered burns and they don't know whether he'll be back. Kane is off screen for a while. Undertaker gets into another feud with HBK leading upto Wrestlemania and HBK challenges him to a Wrestlemania rematch, but this time, he wants to face him in a Hell In A Cell match. Taker agrees and the match is set. Fast forward to 'Mania, Taker vs HBK, Hell In A Cell. Taker has the match won when suddenly Kane's music hits. Fire errupts from the stage and The Big Red Monster walks to the ring. Much like his debut at Bad Blood in '97, Kane rips the door off the cell. Undertaker is in disbelief, his past is back to haunt him yet again. Taker hits Kane but Kane takes it. Kane hits a tombstone then leaves. HBK crawls over Taker and beats him. Would that not be cool? It'll never happen, of course and there's a number of reasons: 1. It looks like the WWE will have a PPV dedicated to Hell In A Cell matches so I wouldn't expect to see them anywhere else. 2. I don't think they'll end Takers streak, and if they do, it won't be to HBK. They'll probably let a younger guy do it. And 3? I think it's too late for Kane. He's not getting any younger and the WWE won't achieve anything from this. But, I'd still love to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 If Austin stayed in WCW, I think he would been upper midcarder ay best. Vince didn't create "Stone Cold". He created "The Ringmaster". When they let Steve show a little of himself, thats what got him over. That and Wrestlemania 13 against Bret Hart. I can't think of any match where a loser gained so much. The face of Austin screaming with blood all over his face, thats the toughest SOB. I'll respond to this: 1) This is total revisionist history. Steve Austin was released by WCW because Eric Bischoff was a prick and because WCW was trying to save money. When guys got injured that they didn't have big plans for, they cut them loose. Had Austin stayed with WCW he would have eventually been a star there as well, though unlikely to be as big as he got in WWF. Keep in mind that Vince didn't megapush Austin because he was high on him at first, he pushed him because after awhile in the company he got incredibly hot and his own character changes made him that. 2) If Austin hadn't gotten the KOTR speech he still would have gotten big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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