TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[Gigas]

The smart auto push is nice for those of us that like to start our own small feds.

[Donners]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TeemuFoundation" data-cite="TeemuFoundation" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Don't blame the features, blame the mod makers who don't understand the features and misuse them.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh I do, absolutely. I often cite comparisons to the default data to try to explain the problems with a mod. All to no avail, unfortunately.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gigas" data-cite="Gigas" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The smart auto push is nice for those of us that like to start our own small feds.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Actually, I get the impression that it is there to inform the AI's signing policies, rather than to help the user's fed.</p>

[1PWfan]

I love this feature. I play a lot of small companies, and it irritates me no end that I can't actually make new stars since I only run a few regions. With this, I can finally get guys like Bradford Peverell and Nicky Champion to main event NYCW shows.

[James Casey]

<p>Agreed. And assuming that this ties into predator hiring, you might have NYCW stealing your midcarder to main event for them because he's only a step above a bum in Cali, but three steps above in NY.</p><p> </p><p>

I'd be interested to know if this affects the player auto-push - or is it already taken into account with player feds?</p>

[UkWrestleFan]

Regarding the 'Comedy Match' feature, is it likely that workers will now have some additional stats that may give us an extra piece of information on a wrestlers top line for 'Comedy' or something similar?

[sheepy]

<p>Hopefully this'll also come into affect with the advance booking feature. It always gets me when I have a small promotion and book a home made star in a match. </p><p> </p><p>

Eg, playing as PSW I pushed Lead Belly to C- pop in tri state but he was still only at E+ throughout the rest of America. Advanced booking him give an E+ but advance booking Tank Bradley gives a D- because despite me jobbing his ass he's got that pop over the rest of the USA which I haven't yet got my hands on to destroy. Hopefully this new feature will also take the 5% calculation into account.</p>

[Irish Wolf]

This is it. This is the feature that has finally pushed me over the edge. I was always going to buy the game, because invariably the new editions just get better and better. But the Smart Push for regional feds (because I usually play small feds) is by far my favorite addition to the game thus far.

[Hive]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Apupunchau@optonline" data-cite="Apupunchau@optonline" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is it. This is the feature that has finally pushed me over the edge. I was always going to buy the game, because invariably the new editions just get better and better. But the Smart Push for regional feds (because I usually play small feds) is by far my favorite addition to the game thus far.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While I don't play those feds myself, it has been bugging me and I think this is an awesome addition as well. Good job.</p>

[praguepride]

<p>Interesting, awesome feature but I wonder if it can't be expanded upon even more.</p><p> </p><p>

I wonder if maybe it should be weighted by promotion popularity first and foremost.</p><p> </p><p>

For example, if you're 50% of in Region A, 25% over in Region B, and 10% over in the rest of the US, from what I read it will still just average them all together.</p><p> </p><p>

BUT shouldn't it weight Region A a bit heavier because that's where the promotion is heavier while the rest of the US which just barely makes that 5% should barely be a blip on the radar.</p><p> </p><p>

/shrug. Either way, it's definitely a step in the right direction. I love playing local feds and the auto-pusher would irritate me because the stars I'd built up from F- -> E popularity in my region would still be pushed beneath people with a flat F, F+ or E- across the board. It meant that non-local workers would almost always be underpushed when in fact they were the stars of my show <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[The Celt]

Praise Jehovah, we finally have smark auto push. Time to dance all night long.

[scorpion]

<p>just got caught up on several entries.</p><p> </p><p>

"Sticky auto push" my favorite addition so far and corrects my biggest annoyance with TEW over the years</p><p> </p><p>

"Sick bumps" not a fan, but as its said, then i don't have to use them. Hopefully like all facets of the game they will be greatly improved over the EWR version which was basically a cheap way to bump your match ratings.</p>

[Self]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Interesting, awesome feature but I wonder if it can't be expanded upon even more.<p> </p><p> I wonder if maybe it should be weighted by promotion popularity first and foremost.</p><p> </p><p> For example, if you're 50% of in Region A, 25% over in Region B, and 10% over in the rest of the US, from what I read it will still just average them all together.</p><p> </p><p> BUT shouldn't it weight Region A a bit heavier because that's where the promotion is heavier while the rest of the US which just barely makes that 5% should barely be a blip on the radar.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But why would you in that situation? Why would you have 50% popularity in one region, and 10% in all the others in the US? The only time I can think of is at Cult (is 50% in one region enough to hit cult?) when you're trying to build towards a National audience. In which case, wrestlers who are popular all across the US are FAR more important than dudes who are stars in just one area.</p><p> </p><p> This sounds like a perfectly good solution. I never give too much credence to 'push', but for those who do, this should do the job.</p>

[doctorjones]

<p>I really like the smart auto push feature for my C-Verse 75 games! I always do pushes manually in '75, because there are always regional stars that are not very over nationally. Examples being Alasi Tua in my WIW game, who is C- over in Hawaii, but gets pushed to Midcarder because of his national overness. Or Johnny Buy Tucker in mt AAFW game, who's B over in South East, but pushed as a Midcarder because of his national popularity.</p><p> </p><p>

Overall, I will appreciate this feature for the time it's going to save me.</p>

[Irish Wolf]

Here's a bizarre example of why this will be useful for me. I have a starter fed I hired only guys with F- overness in the US one of the guys that always gets hired is Mark Smart who although he's F- in most places has an F+ in two regions I never work in. After a year I have Cal Sanders, Thomas Morgan, Stretch the Chicken Boy and My User Character all up to D- in my home region but they are still F- all over the US. Now Mark Smart is up to E in my home region but because he's F+ in two other regions, technically he's more over across the board then the four other workers are and he always pushes as a Main Eventer. Now since his F+ in two regions I don't have any overness in won't be counted as heavily maybe my real Main Eventers can all be pushed as Main Eventers.

 

This will also help me with CZCW when I have Frankie Perez three grades higher than Donnie J in 2 regions that I work in but he still only pushes as a Upper Midcarder because all the other guys are have better US overness across the board.

 

Color me super duper excited.

[Self]

<p>It'll help for my BSC game. I hire AAA girls as occasional jobbers but they get auto-pushed higher than my BSC regulars who are far more over in the South West (the only place I run). Not that the auto-push matters too much. It calls Britney Hollywood a Midcarder, but I book her like a Main Eventer regardless. It calls Golden Delicious a Main Eventer, but she's still lucky to get booked to do a job, so to me it's a purely cosmetic feature... but a damned fine one.</p><p> </p><p>

EDIT: I fully expect the Dirt Sheet to make a fool of me for this way of thinking.</p>

[Remianen]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>EDIT: I fully expect the Dirt Sheet to make a fool of me for this way of thinking.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> *nod*</p><p> </p><p> And I can't see how anyone would actually want 'additional stats' when the ones we already have aren't understood, in large part. The existing stats work fine for defining who works best in a comedy match. You don't need a 'comedy' stat for that. If that's the case, let's add a 'sick bump' stat too.</p><p> </p><p> The existing stat framework will speak to you and tell you who does well in a comedy match. Do you really need Whippy, Chris Morrisette, Jumbo Jackson, et al to have a specific stat to tell you they have the skillset matrix to pull off a comedy match?</p>

[praguepride]

Who suggested that we need a comedy stat? I thought it'd be pretty obvious it's the Entertainment skills bundled together....

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Who suggested that we need a comedy stat? I thought it'd be pretty obvious it's the Entertainment skills bundled together....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hmm, which to me is a little problematic unless it maybe also takes into account (heavily) the comedy performance aspect. I am against new stats but, to give real world examples, guys like Stone Cold would have very high entertainment stats but would not really be considered as good comedy workers. On the other hand someone like Ebessan/Ebetaro/Kikutaro/whatever he calls himself these days also should have good entertainment stats (but not as good as Austin) but is the master of the modern comedy match and has pretty much made his career based on comedy.</p><p> </p><p> Similar with midget workers of the past, most were not known for being super charismatic but the way they wrestled was a comedy-oriented style. A modern example is Colt Cabana who freely admits to watching old midget matches in order to lift comedy spots he can use in his own matches.</p><p> </p><p> Also I am a little unsure of how the rating system with comedy being set as part of the product will work now I think about it a bit. Mainly because I am still hoping for bit of an overhaul of product as I never seem to be able to narrow it down to be the exact product I want.</p>

[Wrestling Century]

It looks like we can simulate the old territorial days a little bit better!

[eayragt]

I think people are missing the main gain in this feature. It makes managing a Regional fed's roster easier, but the real impact is on AI rosters. I know I already re-push "regional" stars, but now the AI will do the same, which will allow home-grown stars to be pushed appropriately in regional feds, even if the AI brings in some wrestlers who are known across the country (but not so much in the home region). This should allow the AI to develop their own stars better.

[praguepride]

<p>See, I'd disagree that there's a comedy skill, it's part of the entertainment package.</p><p> </p><p>

If you take a serious look at the "comedy" in wrestling, there's <em>very very</em> little "original" work. Most of it is age old bits that have been repackaged into a wrestling feel. You can catch most "comedy spots" from a Three Stooges marathon <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

BUT we still find them funny because of the charisma & acting of the workers involved. </p><p> </p><p>

I remember people talking about the Rock's "pie" sketch. It really wasn't that funny if you just wrote it down.</p><p> </p><p>

"You like pie? Or maybe you like strudle?" <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

But the Rock's charisma sold it far better then one could possibly have imagined. And I'd disagree that Stone Cold would've been a bad comedy worker, he just never had the opportunity. His push wasn't comedic but what about his earlier work in WCW? </p><p> </p><p>

I'd say Charisma & acting = comedy in the wrestling world and is a best approximation in the C-verse. I'd say most comedic bits are pre-written via road agents, bookers, and writers, so the wrestler needs to be able to "sell it" to the crowd.</p>

[randomfreeze]

Haven't said just "cool feature" in here yet, but regarding smart auto push...cool feature.

[BurningHamster]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="praguepride" data-cite="praguepride" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>See, I'd disagree that there's a comedy skill, it's part of the entertainment package.<p> </p><p> If you take a serious look at the "comedy" in wrestling, there's <em>very very</em> little "original" work. Most of it is age old bits that have been repackaged into a wrestling feel. You can catch most "comedy spots" from a Three Stooges marathon <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> BUT we still find them funny because of the charisma & acting of the workers involved. </p><p> </p><p> I remember people talking about the Rock's "pie" sketch. It really wasn't that funny if you just wrote it down.</p><p> </p><p> "You like pie? Or maybe you like strudle?" <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> But the Rock's charisma sold it far better then one could possibly have imagined. And I'd disagree that Stone Cold would've been a bad comedy worker, he just never had the opportunity. His push wasn't comedic but what about his earlier work in WCW? </p><p> </p><p> I'd say Charisma & acting = comedy in the wrestling world and is a best approximation in the C-verse. I'd say most comedic bits are pre-written via road agents, bookers, and writers, so the wrestler needs to be able to "sell it" to the crowd.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm not saying someone like Stone Cold can't be funny, but I guess push and gimmick does to a degree factor into how comedy matches work.</p><p> </p><p> Thing is, sketches are not comedy matches. Comedy matches are, I agree, largely dependent upon acting and charisma as they are based largely on physical comedy but that does not mean everyone who is good at acting and charisma can work a good comedy match. I don't think there is necessarily the need for a specific "comedy" stat but if there was a way for the comedy performance stat to somehow be worked into how well a worker performs in a comedy match that would in my mind probably be the closest approximation.</p><p> </p><p> I really don't think road agents/writers/bookers have much role to play in putting together a comedy match as all the best comedy workers are generally in the indies putting their own matches together.</p>

[Kainlock]

<p>Stone Cold was hilarious when he was with Angle and Vince. That stuff was golden. </p><p> </p><p>

Plus remember the first few times fo "What".</p>

[Derek B]

For anyone who cares, the smart autopush feature is one of my personal favourites. I've been angling for it for aaaages since I tend to start a lot of small games and the regular autopush has always been rubbish for that. This feature is great for territorial style datasets but ultimately, can be used for any small promtion in the history of ever. Which makes me exceptionally happy.