CQI13 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 But Carmella's annoying and much better suited to be a heel. Like it was mentioned before, Nikki loves playing to the crowd (even as a heel). I was personally surprised about her being on the heel team given the pop she got. It's probably best that they flipped alignments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 <p>Carmella in NXT was a solid babyface (aside from keeping her heelish entrance from her early Enzo & Cass days). Backstage segments and youtube videos as Bayley's cute bubbly best friend and facing the likes of Jax and Bliss really helped. On the main roster she debuted with no character background and weak booking. She'll be fine as a heel but I'll start worrying if they put in a mic in her hand again.</p><p> </p><p> A lot of NXT talent has been ruined on arrival because Vince likes to pop ratings with surprise debuts instead of bothering with hype videos and backstage segments to give non-NXT viewers a reason to care before they start wrestling.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CQI13 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 <p>You are probably right. The only part of the tv shows I watch is what they show on the PPVs and the occasional NXT on the network. I just remember her NXT debut to the first time she spoke in ring. Even then I remember her being better suited as a heel. Stuff like Breaking Ground makes her seem like a face.</p><p> </p><p> Not sure I agree entirely on the talent being ruined. Tyler Breeze has found a niche. I wish Apollo Crews was doing better. But The Ascension and The Vaudevillains are where they should be. Corbin could be doing better. (Mind you, these are the first ones that come to mind. There may be examples you feel are more representative of ruined).</p><p> </p><p> But I feel like Corbin and Crews will eventually fill a role and go from there. Not everyone can be (or should) pushed to great heights.</p><p> </p><p> Breeze for example. Loved his work in NXT. But the character is suited to his current role on the roster. He's revived Fandango (forgot he was still employed).</p><p> </p><p> As for surprise debuts, some people have 'it' and some don't. I hadn't seen Zayn or Owens prior to their WWE/NXT run. Heard of them, never saw them.</p><p> </p><p> I saw Zayn and said "Meh. Guess it's cool." But I saw Owens and from the beginning I thought he was going to be a star in WWE. And I saythat based on first exposure only. Their promo work helps (I find Owens to be head and shoulders above Zayn in that department). But I am sure that comes down to personal preferences.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Orton was spotless? You mean other than the GIANT GASH IN HIS HEAD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Nikki got a face reaction at SummerSlam (and because she has a ton of fans despite being predominantly heel) and Carmella got no reaction so they did a quick double turn. Came off a little rushed but I don't mind. Look how stubborn Vince is with turning guys like Reigns and Rollins. It's clear which show Vince is running and which show is being given creative licence to flourish. You mean between Raw and SD? Because I see no creative flourish in any of them right now. Let's see how it evolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 You mean between Raw and SD? Because I see no creative flourish in any of them right now. Let's see how it evolves. We'll agree to disagree then. To me last week's Smackdown was a well-written, well-structured and entertaining show from start to finish, far better than the usual go-home shows. The showrunner is Ryan Ward who was head writer in NXT when Neville, Zayn and the Four Horsewomen were there. TakeOver: R Evolution is a fine example of his work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 <p>Sucks to hear about Mr. Fuji dying. I remember when I first started watching wrestling as a kid I absolutely hated him (Well I hated all of the heel managers back then like Johnny V., Bobby the Brain, Jimmy Hart, and Classy Freddie Blassie. But not Miss Elizabeth because well you know.<img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />). </p><p> </p><p> I remember when I was younger being shocked that Mr. Fuji was a former WWWF/WWF tag team champion. At the time I could not wrap my mind around the fact that a lot of the managers were former wrestlers (I was like eight years old at the time). </p><p> </p><p> R.I.P. Mr. Fuji.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sucks to hear about Mr. Fuji dying. I remember when I first started watching wrestling as a kid I absolutely hated him (Well I hated all of the heel managers back then like Johnny V., Bobby the Brain, Jimmy Hart, and Classy Freddie Blassie. But not Miss Elizabeth because well you know.<img alt=":o" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />). <p> </p><p> I remember when I was younger being shocked that Mr. Fuji was a former WWWF/WWF tag team champion. At the time I could not wrap my mind around the fact that a lot of the managers were former wrestlers (I was like eight years old at the time). </p><p> </p><p> R.I.P. Mr. Fuji.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> R.I.P Mr. Fuji</p><p> </p><p> He made me have a legitimate hatred as a kid for the country of Japan, him and Yoko were just two of the best at what they were doing at the time.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <p><img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> The belt may be ugly as heck, but damn am I happy for Kevin Steen/Owens.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampaaage Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 As soon as Trip came out it was clear where the match was going, but congrats to KO regardless. Well deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rampaaage" data-cite="Rampaaage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As soon as Trip came out it was clear where the match was going, but congrats to KO regardless. Well deserved.</div></blockquote><p> Yeah, as soon as it was down to Rollins vs. Owens you knew it couldn't be as simple as he helps Rollins win, because if that were the plan he and Roman would've been the final two. Still, I give them kudos for an ending I didn't see coming until that very moment.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Just a Fantastic job of believing in KO, can't wait for this title reign to begin and hopefully, a Babyface Seth Rollins, which will be awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rampaaage" data-cite="Rampaaage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As soon as Trip came out it was clear where the match was going, but congrats to KO regardless. Well deserved.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just before Trips came I was thinking they should really turn Seth and how the only valid way of doing so would be exactly by being screwed by Trips, since he was on his side for 2 years. And it actually happened. GG WWE and Raw. Congratz to Owens, lets hope this leads to good stuff and to the actual and aforementioned Seth turn.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Kevin Owens is probably one of the few people who could win a title by screwing his opponent and get praised for it....the guy is just that good at being a heel....#teamowensforlife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Kevin Owens is probably one of the few people who could win a title by screwing his opponent and get praised for it....the guy is just that good at being a heel....#teamowensforlife</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> #teamowensforlife, Feels good to see a fav win the title and not get injured in the process.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 There's a huge discussion online on who actually will turn face, Rollins or HHH. In all honesty, the question did cross my mind, (even if for seconds only) which means it was a great ending, leaving some wondering and craving for more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There's a huge discussion online on who actually will turn face, Rollins or HHH. In all honesty, the question did cross my mind, (even if for seconds only) which means it was a great ending, leaving some wondering and craving for more.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, I'm hoping it will be Rollins, just because I think a babyface Rollins could do just as well if not better than heel Rollins. Plus it opens up more feds for him with heels like Owens, Rusev, etc.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 I did not see the match but I saw that Big Cass was in it. I found it odd that they put him in such a high profile match with him just being a tag team guy and all. I remember reading once that Vince sees him as the new Kevin Nash so maybe this was a test drive to see how fans would take him in a high profile match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThriceP86 Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 Cass showed that he could keep up but yeah, he's like Nash in that he's very limited in the ring. Not that there is anything wrong with that. He's over like crazy and a big guy so that's all that really matters... well, in Vince's eyes. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anggur Merah Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thecoolestjedi12" data-cite="thecoolestjedi12" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>#teamowensforlife, Feels good to see a fav win the title and not get injured in the process.</div></blockquote><p> Just watched RAW. Hell yeah! Shocking, but I'm glad (and laughed hard) when Owens got the chance to hold the belt. #TeamOwensForLife</p><p> </p><p> Sucks on Cesaro's injury, though. Hopefully nothing too serious, or just storyline.</p><p> <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/3466010/wwe-news-cesaro-suffers-spinal-injury-during-raw-wwe-future-in-question/" rel="external nofollow">http://www.inquisitr.com/3466010/wwe-news-cesaro-suffers-spinal-injury-during-raw-wwe-future-in-question/</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <p>Best Raw since the one after the brand split. They copied Smackdown and used cohesive storytelling leading to an entertaining main event. It was still too long but the Cruiserweight Division will help with that soon.</p><p> </p><p> That was the best surprise TV ending WWE have pulled off since Rollins split the Shield. And Owens is finally the Champ!!!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greylocke Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <p>Am I the only one who's feeling a little paranoid for Owens' health? For the past 2 years and more, every time a "smark favourite" won the World Title they ended up getting a bad injury and vacating the belt: Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Finn Balor.</p><p> </p><p> The omens are not favourable. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan James Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <p>Damn.</p><p> </p><p> Was so knackered yesterday and I'll just go to bed instead of staying up to watch. Would have liked to see that ending live instead of reading a report. Just have no faith in them. haha</p><p> </p><p> Happy for Kevin Owens. Just heard a lot about him before he joined, but I was immediately on the bandwagon when he came in and beat Cena. The machine gun kelly attack is one of the all time great moments of modern Raw. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Good luck to him. </p><p> </p><p> I'm hoping Rollins turns face. Having Triple as face wouldn't be the worst thing, just I'm not all that hyped for a Steph vs Tripper feud. As mentioned above, at least it is intriguing. You don't get to say that much these days.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted August 30, 2016 Share Posted August 30, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Alan James" data-cite="Alan James" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Damn.<p> </p><p> Was so knackered yesterday and I'll just go to bed instead of staying up to watch. Would have liked to see that ending live instead of reading a report. Just have no faith in them. haha</p><p> </p><p> Happy for Kevin Owens. Just heard a lot about him before he joined, but I was immediately on the bandwagon when he came in and beat Cena. The machine gun kelly attack is one of the all time great moments of modern Raw. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Good luck to him. </p><p> </p><p> I'm hoping Rollins turns face. Having Triple as face wouldn't be the worst thing, just I'm not all that hyped for a Steph vs Tripper feud. As mentioned above, at least it is intriguing. You don't get to say that much these days.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First and foremost, congrats to Owens! amazing to see him win, and I liek the angle.</p><p> </p><p> On the Trips face turn you raised, the only way I could see them do it and work is if you incorporate "papa Trips" from NXT, where he is insanely over as a babyface authority figure.</p><p> </p><p> But I don't know how they get there...he thinks Steph doesn't use his guys and girls right? (makes no sense, Rollins is an NXT guy and she backs him) or something, I dunno.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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