The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[ampulator]

He purposely went against the RA's wishes and did his Pay Dirt move instead of the planned finish in a match with an unsuspecting Mr Kennedy, injuring him. Who knows how many other stories like that haen't been revealed. We wouldn't know about that one if Kennedy hadn't been released.

 

This is KENNEDY we are talking about here. That guy gets injured so much, it's not funny.

 

Forgive me for going off on a bit of a tangent. I do that sometimes.

 

Benjamin has a bit of a reputation for 'coasting'. Not eating perfectly. Not going to the gym a ton (I could have sworn I read an interview where he admitted this) Getting by on his genetics without going the extra mile. I dunno, he may have come off as a bit lazy (again, I have no evidence of this beyond an interview I think I read a long time ago) That, coupled with promo skills and the number of failed pushes over the years, I can see why he was cut, and I agree with it. Time for fresh blood. I'd give Hardy and Kane the same consideration for the same reasons.

 

 

You see, although you make some good points, a LOT of people in the WWE are guilty of those issues: not eating right and going to the gym. Hell, they should release Mark Henry for all those years he was in the OVW.

 

Now, Henry's a nice guy, but look at Benjamin and look at him. Tell me, if Benjamin was coasting, then Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Kane, and a lot has literally been lazy then.

 

Hell, if not going to gym seriously affected him, then we would have someone posting a pic of Scott Steiner yelling, "HE'S FAT!!!!!!!" when referencing Scott Steiner.

 

As for the new blood, I can understand that explanation-but that's not the one they used. Saying he's "coasting" sounds like a lame excuse, because they should let him go a long time ago, and lot of others, if they really believed that.

[PeterHilton]

This is KENNEDY we are talking about here. That guy gets injured so much, it's not funny.

 

Wow..now you're grasping at straws. We get it. You think Shelton is a great performer.

 

But regardless of the other worker in the match, and regardless of whether or not it resulted in an injury, there's no good excuse for going away from the Road Agent's finish. Especially not in the WWE.

[CQI13]

With the Mark Henry comment, remember early on they had a ton of money invested in him. Might as well find SOME use for him and pay him rather than release him and pay him.

 

Shelton was meh.

[Linsolv]

We've already addressed Hardy and Kane. Why do you keep mentioning them?

 

How's this for an 'official' phrasing that deals with Hardy and Kane? (Note that I made this up and they'd probably not say these words)

 

"We release workers who have a track record of what we, the WWE, consider coasting, unless there is some mitigating reason why we should not release them."

 

In Kane's case, he's still having lots of squash matches over Evan Bourne and NXT rookies. So, in the rare case that he DOES lose, it can give a young guy the rub, for instance.

 

In Hardy's case, at the bare minimum, he's a pro on NXT and they really can't get rid of him until Gabriel's eliminated, as well as a couple other theories put forth (including by me, actually).

 

A lot of the arguments you use are complaining that if the E said one reason or another then it'd be okay. Well, it's like that story of Julius Caesar: He's been stabbed by dozens of men, so not one of them killed him, right? Well, no. Coasting's probably the reason that the other stuff mattered. If he was working his ass off to make his promos better (like the Miz has been) or constantly netting them good PR (like Cena has been) or even just listening to the d*** road manager, then it probably wouldn't matter that he doesn't have the same style as everyone else in the E.

[Tha Black Phenom]

You see, although you make some good points, a LOT of people in the WWE are guilty of those issues: not eating right and going to the gym. Hell, they should release Mark Henry for all those years he was in the OVW.

 

Now, Henry's a nice guy, but look at Benjamin and look at him. Tell me, if Benjamin was coasting, then Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Kane, and a lot has literally been lazy then.

 

Hell, if not going to gym seriously affected him, then we would have someone posting a pic of Scott Steiner yelling, "HE'S FAT!!!!!!!" when referencing Scott Steiner.

 

As for the new blood, I can understand that explanation-but that's not the one they used. Saying he's "coasting" sounds like a lame excuse, because they should let him go a long time ago, and lot of others, if they really believed that.

 

You always keep pointing at others and that's where your problem lies. Sure, there's others that could be accountable for the same thing Shelton's said to do, but they have cases of their own and factors that keep them in. Shelton has nothing else going for him. Effort in his matches is good and all, but they have more than enough high-flying guinea pigs for his role. He's a dime a dozen. Maybe if he had as much as someone in the locker-room with clout sticking up for him, he *probably* wouldn't be gone. But the fact is, things didn't seem to be, and his contract came UP. There's no doubt he wouldn't be released out of the blue, but it seemed his contract came to an end and why would they renew it? So he can make more flips in MITB matches without any other use, or hint at exterior effort?

[Marshall]

Someone's probably said this already, but as far as Shelton goes, I can see him going back to WWE after a year or something if TNA don't pick him up - the 'E have a track record of rehiring workers e.g. Chuck Palumbo, Lance Cade, Joey Mercury and team-mate Charlie Haas.

 

His release is probably a good thing - lets him go out and regain the passion that hasn't shown through in his work for years. If he finds it and something clicks for him as a worker, you can bet they'd have him back.

[jwt13]

This may have been said but I think the mystery guy of the SES is Joey Mercury

[SeanMcFly]

This may have been said but I think the mystery guy of the SES is...

 

Just a heads up...

 

When you do a spoiler, do it in white, because people can see the color you put.

[jwt13]

Just a heads up...

 

When you do a spoiler, do it in white, because people can see the color you put.

 

fixed sorry about that:o

[Tha Black Phenom]

SmackDown! was pretty damn good, with Edge/Christian promo being the highlight. They really need to capitalize on how natural Christian sounds on the mic, if they don't line him up for a World title shot this time around then I won't know what to think.

 

Big Show's KOs were single-handedly (pun intended) the most awesome bits Show has done in years.

[Hyde Hill]

Just a heads up...

 

When you do a spoiler, do it in white, because people can see the color you put.

 

That wasn't a true spoiler though maybe as it was his opinion or idea not so much confirmed and highlight if you want to know.

[Candyman]

Now, Henry's a nice guy, but look at Benjamin and look at him. Tell me, if Benjamin was coasting, then Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Kane, and a lot has literally been lazy then.

 

Kane's 7 feet tall - is Benjamin? Mark Henry weighs 450 pounds and was once the strongest man in world - was Benjamin? Matt Hardy is a great mentor for younger workers (in TEW terms, he's good in the lockerroom and has good performance skills to help others improve) - is Benjamin?

 

Nobody in the WWE, or any other wrestling company, is perfect. No matter why somebody gets released, you're going to find somebody else with the same flaws that doesn't get released. But it's pointless to compare them, because the two situations are never going to be exactly the same.

[Zeel1]

My recap of SmackDown! has finally be posted on TWF.com. I swear, I don't know why it takes as long as it does after being sent. I mean, I sent it in at 3 PM yesterday, (I get the files of the show hours before it airs, and recap it from there to make sure I'm never late) just so he can ass around and not post it 'till Saturday anyway..

 

Anyway, same little disclaimer I gave for the Extreme Rules recap: Not suited for children - which is kind of amusing, considering I'm only 16 myself..I make recaps that I'm not old enough to read! - but it's all in jest, no offense meant to anyone.

 

http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/sdrant043010.html

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm already a fan, Zeel. Seriously, I used to be way into that site about a year ago, no idea why I even tuned off honestly. I think they sported twice as much interesting photoshopped images back then. Good material, will read.

[Zeel1]

I'm already a fan, Zeel. Seriously, I used to be way into that site about a year ago, no idea why I even tuned off honestly. I think they sported twice as much interesting photoshopped images back then. Good material, will read.

 

As I said before, I've been a fan of that site for a really long time, so it's so cool that I'm now writing SD! and PPV recaps. It's so cool that he thinks they're good enough, because I haven't even done that many. Seriously - I did four recaps in November of 2008, then stopped doing them until this month. Sean asked for people to apply in his WM recap, to quote-on-quote "save this f*cking website already", and I thought "Well, hey, I used to do recaps for a forum I go to, and everyone there liked them, why not try?" So I applied, and then eventually did a recap of the April 9th SD!, if just to get back into the swing of writing them. Sent that to Carless on an impulse, and he used it, which just absolutely shocked the hell out of me.

[Hyde Hill]

Do they by chance need an accent on the positive TNA recapper? lolz.

[Zeel1]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Hyde Hill" data-cite="Hyde Hill" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do they by chance need an accent on the positive TNA recapper? lolz.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah, they have a TNA recapper..</p><p> </p><p> ...and she's delightfully insane. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Seriously, every week it's one of the most random things I ever read. Her recap style is just a total non-stop nonsequitor, and I can barely understand what's going on in the shows, and yet..I love it.</p>

[Self]

<p>Watching Smackdown, and I hugely enjoyed Edge & Christian... for about 2 minutes. After that they went in such an odd direction it lost me. This is probably just me, but I have no interest in Edge vs Christian. I want to see them be friends, I want to see them be a tag team, so the entire segment fell flat to me. It also seemed a bit of a throwaway... Decades of real history, a formerly successful tag team that has been apart for so long, the storyline possibilities were huge. You could have stretched this one promo out over 3 fantastic months. Reunite, friends, Edge subtly uses Christian to get what he wants, then less subtly, then blatantly, break up, heated feud. Could have been great. Instead we got this, which was fun, but I found it... unsatisfying. </p><p> </p><p>

Fun little Smackdown though. Lots of different folks given the chance to talk (perhaps too many). Couple of nice matches. Big Show KO'ing folks. I now have a higher opinion of Cody in-ring. MVP cut a nice promo. The appeal of Kelly Kelly still escapes me. Looking forward to next week, when Edge & Jericho aren't around, giving more of the undercard guys even more time to shine.</p>

[crownsy]

<p>Thought smackdown was really good this week.</p><p> </p><p>

Excellent match between Jericho and kofi, rhodes vs morrision and SES vs rey and MVP was pretty good.</p><p> </p><p>

In addition, the MVP promo was good, as was Edge and Christan's. </p><p> </p><p>

But the highlight for me was swagger's heel promo. They probley let it go on a minute or two to long, but damn, that was a great heel promo. He played the crowd perfectly.</p><p> </p><p>

Not to enthused about them picking the big show as his fued though, Just not a fan of show.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Watching Smackdown, and I hugely enjoyed Edge & Christian... for about 2 minutes. After that they went in such an odd direction it lost me. This is probably just me, but I have no interest in Edge vs Christian. I want to see them be friends, I want to see them be a tag team, so the entire segment fell flat to me. It also seemed a bit of a throwaway... Decades of real history, a formerly successful tag team that has been apart for so long, the storyline possibilities were huge. You could have stretched this one promo out over 3 fantastic months. Reunite, friends, Edge subtly uses Christian to get what he wants, then less subtly, then blatantly, break up, heated feud. Could have been great. Instead we got this, which was fun, but I found it... unsatisfying. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You say that, which I agree with, but luckily something the WWE loves to do is stuff things under the rug later on. Sure, we saw what we saw with Edge and Christian but I'm sure a few years down the line, they could well bring it all back. Do like one of them getting injured, coming back and reforming the long lost tag team again, whether heel or face.</p>

[The Shape]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that, which I agree with, but luckily something the WWE loves to do is stuff things under the rug later on. Sure, we saw what we saw with Edge and Christian but I'm sure a few years down the line, they could well bring it all back. Do like one of them getting injured, coming back and reforming the long lost tag team again, whether heel or face.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> A few years? They're not young, and people will care less.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

I didn't wanna say months cause that'd sound a bit too early and there's already the brewing discussion of Edge and Christian culminating at Mania(not calling it), a year or so later sounds fine. Either way, they're not THAT old either, they have a few years left in them.. Christian at least, dunno about Edge. And I'm sure as soon as the possibility comes up, people will care as much. WWE can easily make everyone care again.

[ampulator]

<p>Does no one see the pattern? </p><p> </p><p>

Edge vs. Chris Jericho</p><p>

Edge vs. Randy Orton</p><p>

Edge vs. Christian</p><p> </p><p>

Maybe it's Edge against all his partners?</p>

[shawn michaels]

I completely disagree with the IWC about this one. Bring Christian and Edge back? No sir. They're main eventers now, their tag team was long time ago, you should never return to where you were once happy. Life moves on and i want to see new things. But that's just me, cause i'm sure the WWE would find a way to make it suck. anyway but seriously,i think people need to stop with the nostalgia. Today some people ask for E&C, tomorrow maybe the Brothers of Destruction (just an example)...i mean...seriously? We play TEW for crying out loud, we're supposed to hope for bether things then little nostalgia acts.

[Self]

I completely disagree with the IWC about this one. Bring Christian and Edge back? No sir. They're main eventers now, their tag team was long time ago, you should never return to where you were once happy. Life moves on and i want to see new things. But that's just me, cause i'm sure the WWE would find a way to make it suck. anyway but seriously,i think people need to stop with the nostalgia. Today some people ask for E&C, tomorrow maybe the Brothers of Destruction (just an example)...i mean...seriously? We play TEW for crying out loud, we're supposed to hope for bether things then little nostalgia acts.

 

Normally I'd agree with you. For example, I'm not a fan of TNA reuniting The World's Greatest Tag Team because it's looking to the past instead of the future. Where I think Edge & Christian are different is that they've been apart for a good 8 years, and in that time their characters have developed and evolved in major ways. Edge became the ultimate opportunist and married Vickie Guerrero, and is an altogether more volatile and unpredictable character than in the happy-go-lucky E&C days. Christian... well they can't mention his TNA thing, but he changed too. More confident. Less creepy. Bottom line, they're different people now, and the relationship wouldn't be a re-hash, a nostalgia act, a kazoo-infested montage of 5-second-poses. It would be weirdly different, like talking to your old high school friends at a reunion. There's drama there that excites me.

 

... but I will concede that I'm biased. I love Edge & Christian, and I love the idea of main event tag teams. My desire for a reunion isn't a rational one, it's not about 'good for business' or even 'good drama'. It comes from the irrational heart. I loved their team. I want to see it again. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

P.S. I'd also enjoy Brothers of Destruction. Again, Main Event tag team, and the only time I've enjoyed Kane is when he was around his brother.