The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[brashleyholland]

Not true. If you watch any of the major MMA promotions, they either wait for the round to end, or they end the fight. The closest thing they have to a break to patch up blood is if someone's bleeding profusely and they call the medic in to ask if the fight should be stopped.

 

 

Actually, in Japan they often break to clean up blood if it's flowing freely. Then again, they don't do it for the fighter's sake, they do it because most decent-sized Japanese MMA is funded by corporate sponsors and the TV networks who broadcast the shows. MMA is marketed heavily towards women and families on TV...they don't like blood, so you'll often see it being wiped up by refs.

 

That said, they're *much* quicker to stop fights on a cut for the same reasons, so it's becoming a less-frequent occurance.

[fatallylost]

? Evan Bourne vs Zack Ryder? *reality ceases to be*

[Linsolv]

Actually, in Japan they often break to clean up blood if it's flowing freely. Then again, they don't do it for the fighter's sake, they do it because most decent-sized Japanese MMA is funded by corporate sponsors and the TV networks who broadcast the shows. MMA is marketed heavily towards women and families on TV...they don't like blood, so you'll often see it being wiped up by refs.

 

That said, they're *much* quicker to stop fights on a cut for the same reasons, so it's becoming a less-frequent occurance.

 

Well, to be honest, my only experience recently with Japanese MMA was watching DREAM.13, which I had thought someone bled in (though it was just a trickle for memory) with no special mention.

[The Final Countdown]

? Evan Bourne vs Zack Ryder? *reality ceases to be*

That's not as shocking as Daniel Bryan scoring his FIRST WIN!

 

....and over SANTINO MARELLA, NO LESS!

 

Best in the World! Best in the World! Best in the World!

[fatallylost]

That's not as shocking as Daniel Bryan scoring his FIRST WIN!

 

....and over SANTINO MARELLA, NO LESS!

 

Best in the World! Best in the World! Best in the World!

 

It truly has been a night of WTF on Raw!

[The Final Countdown]

Thank you, WWE. Now I can finally stop watching this terrible show.

 

He'll obviously show up again in some form or another, be it on NXT or one of the other shows. But for now, it's the Canucks game for me.

[Linsolv]

I'm... confused.

 

Didn't they say they'd release one worker every time? I'm not stupid. This is obviously a work, why would they kick anyone out for reading the script? Especially the fellow they did.

[foolinc]

I'm... confused.

 

Didn't they say they'd release one worker every time? I'm not stupid. This is obviously a work, why would they kick anyone out for reading the script? Especially the fellow they did.

 

Actually the two curveball eliminations make perfect sense considering what happened last RAW. I'm calling Tarver becoming Ted's "Virgil" and Danielson becoming the United States champion next Monday as Bret Hart's replacement.

 

Edit: Daniel Bryan is dead, long live Bryan Danielson!?

[The Final Countdown]

Edit: Daniel Bryan is dead, long live Bryan Danielson!?

...wha?

 

Did I miss something?

[Remianen]

One of the biggest problems in marketing things for "all ages" is people think it needs to suck, and that really isn't true. Believe it or not you can have a program that appeals to kids and adults, it just has to be well-done.

 

Please cite an example. I have yet to come across anything made for kids and adults that doesn't suck and/or that taps in to what adults like without totally alienating, ignoring, or being "too much" for kids (or vice versa). Admittedly, it's probably me since I don't tend to go for the okey doke that Joe Q. Public or Jane Soccer Mom likes and I'm a bit more...hardened than the public at large (i.e. desensitized to violence and sex for titilation purposes, etc).

 

Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (again noting that I am very particular about the things I enjoy) but I really can't think of any examples of this being true. I'm also biased against the PG area ratings as well because of how freakin' stupid the rating systems are in this country.

[Comradebot]

Actually the two curveball eliminations make perfect sense considering what happened last RAW. I'm calling Tarver becoming Ted's "Virgil" and Danielson becoming the United States champion next Monday as Bret Hart's replacement.

 

Edit: Daniel Bryan is dead, long live Bryan Danielson!?

 

Right?

 

Clear he isn't leaving, and you should slap yourself if you think otherwise. Go ahead, I'll give you some time to do it...

 

Slapped yourself?

 

Cool.

 

But seriously, they've been building towards this for a while now, and I think WWE believe Danielson has the ability to get over WITHOUT "winning" the "competition". I think Barrett will be the fellow to snag that honor in order to recieve an insta-push... though my heart wants to see Justin Gabriel get it. Not often I follow a guy for most of their career and have them then actually have a shot at the big time, and that's exactly what I've done with Gabriel.

[Linsolv]

I am not sure either.

 

I mean, I thought something was gonna happen tonight, based on the promo Danielson cut, but with no real follow through (at least not tonight) it came off as no different than Tarver or Sheffield's whining.

[The Final Countdown]

I am not sure either.

 

I mean, I thought something was gonna happen tonight, based on the promo Danielson cut, but with no real follow through (at least not tonight) it came off as no different than Tarver or Sheffield's whining.

I didn't see any promo from Bryan...guess it happened later on in the show?

[Comradebot]

Please cite an example. I have yet to come across anything made for kids and adults that doesn't suck and/or that taps in to what adults like without totally alienating, ignoring, or being "too much" for kids (or vice versa). Admittedly, it's probably me since I don't tend to go for the okey doke that Joe Q. Public or Jane Soccer Mom likes and I'm a bit more...hardened than the public at large (i.e. desensitized to violence and sex for titilation purposes, etc).

 

Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (again noting that I am very particular about the things I enjoy) but I really can't think of any examples of this being true. I'm also biased against the PG area ratings as well because of how freakin' stupid the rating systems are in this country.

 

Toy Story

 

What do I win?

[Linsolv]

Please cite an example. I have yet to come across anything made for kids and adults that doesn't suck and/or that taps in to what adults like without totally alienating, ignoring, or being "too much" for kids (or vice versa). Admittedly, it's probably me since I don't tend to go for the okey doke that Joe Q. Public or Jane Soccer Mom likes and I'm a bit more...hardened than the public at large (i.e. desensitized to violence and sex for titilation purposes, etc).

 

Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (again noting that I am very particular about the things I enjoy) but I really can't think of any examples of this being true. I'm also biased against the PG area ratings as well because of how freakin' stupid the rating systems are in this country.

 

Well, you could look at most indies, really. I've yet to see a promotion that significantly more cursing, nudity, and so on than the 'E, but most of it is still a quality product.

 

Then there's most literature (using the term loosely to refer to published fiction in general), which is only rarely aimed at kids, but also rarely has anything that specifically would make it offensive at the same time.

 

See, there's a difference both between "not objectionable" and "family friendly," and "family friendly" and "Aimed at kids."

 

Unless you're in marketing. Then Family Friendly means Aimed At Children.

 

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As I'm still kinda new to wrestling in the grand scheme of things I'll try to list off films --

 

An example of something that I wouldn't want kids watching: Gozu. I know, this is setting a strange beginning for this list. But this is the one film I've sat down and suggested my girlfriend watch with me until I realized her 14 year old sister was there. The adult nature of the film is, despite never reaching pornographic levels, unavoidable, and even though I watched it as an informed movie fan, it left me feeling unsettled in a pretty big way that I would never want a child experiencing. (In fact, I came in knowing that Takashi Miike, the director, tended to make somewhat... odd films. Suffice to say that while I felt unsettled, I had known what I was getting myself into.)

 

An example of something that's "not objectionable:" Bull Durham. Sure, there's some adult themes -- a pseudo-open relationship with a woman, for instance, is beyond what I'd normally give to a kid in a story, but if I were all growed-up and my kid came home telling me he saw Bull Durham I wouldn't be bothered.

 

An example of something that is, IMO, family friendly without leaving the adults behind: Most Monty Python stuff. Not all, but most. The humor's not lost on children, and the adult themes tend to be subtle. On the other hand, it was written for adults -- it just works for kids too.

 

On the other hand, we have The Little Mermaid 2. Now, for most of these I tried to keep pretty centerist examples (I mean, obviously if I were going for the throat I'd have complained about the Saw series or Hostel as things that I didn't want kids seeing.) but this is a perfect example of what's wrong with things being aimed at kids. When Python writes for adults, they expect them to be discerning individuals who will stop buying your stuff if you put out trash.

 

When Disney wrote The Little Mermaid 2, they knew darn well that they could put out ANYTHING. And that's was sliding to on RAW for most of 2009.

[ampulator]

Toy Story

 

What do I win?

Honestly speaking, I thought Bug's Life was better; I am so not looking forward to Toy Story 3 or Cars 2. In fact, I'm not looking forward to "Brave'... I am interested in Monsters Inc. 2, though.

[lazorbeak]

Please cite an example. I have yet to come across anything made for kids and adults that doesn't suck and/or that taps in to what adults like without totally alienating, ignoring, or being "too much" for kids (or vice versa). Admittedly, it's probably me since I don't tend to go for the okey doke that Joe Q. Public or Jane Soccer Mom likes and I'm a bit more...hardened than the public at large (i.e. desensitized to violence and sex for titilation purposes, etc).

 

Mind you, I'm not saying it's not possible (again noting that I am very particular about the things I enjoy) but I really can't think of any examples of this being true. I'm also biased against the PG area ratings as well because of how freakin' stupid the rating systems are in this country.

 

Animaniacs

The Simpsons

The Princess Bride

every Pixar movie

Indiana Jones

STAR WARS

[Linsolv]

I'm way happier with my extended commentary.

 

Ironically, though, for my "PG Sucks" example, I was half a second away from saying Toy Story, but decided to drive right off the PG Sucks cliff so that it was not debatable.

 

EDIT: Also, I'd like to point out that Star Wars, with episodes 1-3, went into the realm of alienating a lot of the adult audience, both in my own opinion and based on the internet community.

[ampulator]

Animaniacs

The Simpsons

The Princess Bride

every Pixar movie

Indiana Jones

STAR WARS

 

I wouldn't say EVERY Pixar movie; I'm no fan of the Toy Story series, or of their Car series, but by and large, the rest of their movies are great.

 

Indiana Jone isn't family friendly, actually. The films were supposed to be rated R, but Spielberg complained... and so they invented PG13 for him. I wouldn't say Simpsons is family-friendly either.

 

As for Star Wars, the first and third movie of the original trilogy was definitely family friendly The second wasn't so much, even though, technically speaking (I heard this from a Star Wars geek) the confirmed kill count is lower in ESB even though there was more violence and explosions in it.

 

If you ask me, the two best animated films are: "Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm" and ""Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero".

[lazorbeak]

Indiana Jone isn't family friendly, actually. The films were supposed to be rated R, but Spielberg complained... and so they invented PG13 for him. I wouldn't say Simpsons is family-friendly either.

 

Raiders is rated PG, and come on, Temple of Doom featured a child sidekick! You're telling me it wasn't for kids? And while Temple of Doom and Last Crusade had violence, they had a lot of stuff for the whole family. I singled out Indiana Jones, but a lot of "classic" Spielberg is the same way. Seriously, if you object to Indy, what about ET?

 

Only 13 episodes of the Simpsons (out of what, 400?) were rated anything other than TVPG, and it has jokes for kids and adults. Nobody said my examples had to be from a Christian values magazine!

 

As for Star Wars, the first and third movie of the original trilogy was definitely family friendly The second wasn't so much, even though, technically speaking (I heard this from a Star Wars geek) the confirmed kill count is lower in ESB even though there was more violence and explosions in it.

 

Yeah coming to the series cold as a 12 year old I thought I was already too old to be bothered with it because they were all such kiddie movies. I'm in the minority on that one though. Nerds complaining about the new trilogy being too kid-friendly must have watched something else as children, a serious, exciting movie that wasn't half sassy effeminate robots or stuffed animal people.

 

If you ask me, the two best animated films are: "Batman: The Mask of the Phantasm" and ""Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero".

 

Mask of the Phantasm is a very good movie. The whole BTAS can still be enjoyed as an adult: the full orchestra that composed music each episode, the how-to guide for one act mysteries, Mark Hamill as the Joker? It holds up really well.

[Linsolv]

Yeah coming to the series cold as a 12 year old I thought I was already too old to be bothered with it because they were all such kiddie movies. I'm in the minority on that one though. Nerds complaining about the new trilogy being too kid-friendly must have watched something else as children, a serious, exciting movie that wasn't half sassy effeminate robots or stuffed animal people.

 

The wide belief is that the second trilogy lacked the sense of being genuine -- generally the mark of children's movies. Or, so I understand.

[GruntMark]

every Pixar movie

 

This is probably the truthiest answer given.

 

It'd take one cold heart not have enjoyed at least one Pixar film.

[ampulator]

Raiders is rated PG, and come on, Temple of Doom featured a child sidekick! You're telling me it wasn't for kids? And while Temple of Doom and Last Crusade had violence, they had a lot of stuff for the whole family. I singled out Indiana Jones, but a lot of "classic" Spielberg is the same way. Seriously, if you object to Indy, what about ET?

 

Actually, Raiders was supposed to Rated R, but Spielberg complained so much that they reduced it to PG. As for the Temple of Doom, it was almost rated R again, but I think it was right then they decided to invent PG-13 to satisfy Spielberg AND to make sure the movie isn't PG (because they did not wanted to rated as PG).

 

I'm just stating the facts on Indiana Jones. It's not an opinion.

 

Only 13 episodes of the Simpsons (out of what, 400?) were rated anything other than TVPG, and it has jokes for kids and adults. Nobody said my examples had to be from a Christian values magazine!

 

I know, but I wouldn't let my kids, if I had any, watch a lot of the Simpsons episodes. I wouldn't mind the alcohol references so much, but so episodes... are just the edge of PG.

[lazorbeak]

My point has nothing to do with Indiana Jones, my point is that a PG rating and entertainment for adults are not exclusive concepts! I'm not saying that means all PG content is automatically for kids or that it means parents don't have to watch what their kids are watching but Remi asked for examples and I gave him a few off the top of my head. That's what I'm talking about. I don't care about the minutiae of my examples. Raiders of the Lost Arc, Star Wars, etc., are rated PG, and are enjoyed by adults. That's my point.

[ampulator]

I know, but the problem is people get lazy with PG and PG13. They cater to the rating first, and then work the content around it. Although I do not disagree with this strategy, in some cases, this leads to less quality. This is not every case obviously, but some things just work better outside of the PG and PG13 realm, but are put through the filters of PG and PG13 anyway.

 

I disagree with Remianen in this case, but there is some truth to his belief.