The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[LoganRodzen]

<p>I rarely watch RAW and when I do I usually only see a few segments, but I watched all of tonight and can say the ending was worth watching all of the "crap" that came before it.</p><p> </p><p>

Here's a fun little question to ask yourselves...</p><p> </p><p>

Would Hogan have let 8 "rookies" beat him to a pulp and then get stretchered out? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

<span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Never. Ever.</span></p>

[MattitudeV2]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="LoganRodzen" data-cite="LoganRodzen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I rarely watch RAW and when I do I usually only see a few segments, but I watched all of tonight and can say the ending was worth watching all of the "crap" that came before it.<p> </p><p> Here's a fun little question to ask yourselves...</p><p> </p><p> Would Hogan have let 8 "rookies" beat him to a pulp and then get stretchered out? <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FFFFFF;"><span style="color:#FF0000;">Never. Ever.[/</span></span><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">COLOR]</span></p></div></blockquote><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> </span></p><p><span style="color:#FFFFFF;"> You are right on that my friend</span></p>

[GDE71]

<p>Just watched it on wwe.com again and it doesn't look like Michael Cole got attacked.</p><p> </p><p>

It would be interesting if he was involved.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>

I do agree the first 2 hours and 50 minutes of the show were pretty awful. I don't think you can save a 3 hour show with this ending, but it has the potential to be something special.</p>

[TakerNGN74]

In my opinion it was probably one of the best Raw's I have seen in a while, granted it wasn't perfect but all the positives far out weighed the negatives in my opinion.

[SaySo]

Remember 9 years ago when Cena first arrived to the scene with the ruthless aggression and his match with Kurt Angle? Fast forward now, the NXT decided to show their form of ruthless aggression on CENA.

[GDE71]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TakerNGN74" data-cite="TakerNGN74" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>In my opinion it was probably one of the best Raw's I have seen in a while, granted it wasn't perfect but all the positives far out weighed the negatives in my opinion.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> You might be the only person alive who thinks so.</p><p> </p><p> Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you very weird.</p>

[BHK1978]

I actually think Cole would be their perfect leader. He is, at least for me anyway, in the same vein as a young Vince McMahon or a pre-NWO Eric Bischoff. You know the young announcer who people really do not respect all that much. And then all of a sudden my like with Vince with Bret or Eric with the NWO you could turn him into the mouthpiece of this new heel group. To me it should work like a charm if this is the road they are going to go down.

[TakerNGN74]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="GDE71" data-cite="GDE71" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You might be the only person alive who thinks so.<p> </p><p> Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you very weird.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To me I like to be picky but not so picky that I hate the product. If I hate the product or if anyone else hates the product that much then they might as well not watch it.</p>

[infinitywpi]

<p>Hrm. Here's the promo I'm expecting when we find out Cole was behind it all...</p><p> </p><p>

"That's right, that's right. Boo me. You don't like me. I know! When I had Daniel Bryan come out and call me a poor man's J.R., and you all cheered? I heard it. I've been hearing it ever since I was taking crap from The Rock in interviews backstage. Well, you know what? It's time for things to be different. Jerry Lawler never showed me an ounce of respect at that announce table. Well, he's not here anymore. Matt Striker never showed me any respect. He's not here anymore. John Cena... well, let's remind you all about John Cena."</p><p> </p><p>

*Play clips of John Cena insulting Cole*</p><p> </p><p>

"John Cena... did not show me any respect. And he is not here anymore. Last week, we made a statement. A declaration of war. You are either with us, showing respect, or you are against us, and we'll show you the inside of an ambulance. We are NXT, and this show is now ours."</p>

[alden]

<p>Ok my views ok what was a tarible raw but FANTASTIC ten miniute angle lol. I think it is odvious barret is the leader of this "group" he nods his head at first and they all climb onto th apron...he can be seen telling a few of them what to do a few times. This had a very "real" fell about it.......I have not seen this since the nwo but this might have been even better. I do think cole was attacked by daniels and two others...they show him getting choked out very clearly.</p><p> </p><p>

So i have to say congratz wwe.....in one angle you just build up the future of your company if you do it right. Each and every person of this "group" looked dominating and impressive.....They even broke keyfabe and showed the wood under the mat...that was odd. Danielson getting heat was odd to see.....i did not expect it and neither with gabrial...they were both cheered so much. </p><p> </p><p>

All i can say is watch this segment somehow. Because i think people are going to stop talking about the nwo......and start talking about a new "faction" from now on.</p><p> </p><p>

EDIT</p><p>

That might have been stryker getting choked out.....I thought it was cole when i first watched it bug not so sure now.</p>

[dvdWarrior]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alden" data-cite="alden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> EDIT<p> That might have been stryker getting choked out.....I thought it was cole when i first watched it bug not so sure now.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Pretty sure that was ring announcer Justin Roberts getting choked out, but it was an awesome angle all around. Michael Cole ran for the hills at the outset. An edited video is up on WWE.com.</p>

[alden]

yeah it might have been.....they edited it on wwe? why o why would you edit even a second of that ending lol.....it was all great

[dvdWarrior]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alden" data-cite="alden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>yeah it might have been.....they edited it on wwe? why o why would you edit even a second of that ending lol.....it was all great</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It was a short video. I think it was just edited for time. It's like 5 minutes and some change, rather than the full 15 minutes or so the angle ran.</p><p> </p><p> Here's the link:</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/june8-14/14690316" rel="external nofollow">http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/june8-14/14690316</a></p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[ampulator]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually think Cole would be their perfect leader. He is, at least for me anyway, in the same vein as a young Vince McMahon or a pre-NWO Eric Bischoff. You know the young announcer who people really do not respect all that much. And then all of a sudden my like with Vince with Bret or Eric with the NWO you could turn him into the mouthpiece of this new heel group. To me it should work like a charm if this is the road they are going to go down.</div></blockquote><p> Announcer Vince McMahon and Announcer Eric Bischoff were both bad announcers. However, they made great heel managers, color commentators, and authority figures. Maybe it's time for a career/gimmick change for Michael Cole.</p>

[MightyDavidson]

<p>I actually watched RAW a second time to see the angle happen again, it was that awesome. It was done with some surprising subtlety too by WWE standards.</p><p> </p><p>

I mean on some other message boards I hear people kvetching because they don't know why they attacked Cena, but it was pretty much stated earlier though not actually by them. Remember when Rey Mysterio was talking about becoming the top dog on RAW by beating Cena? Apparently Barret and company did. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

I'm loving this and I'm so hoping WWE doesn't mess it up.</p>

[alden]

I still think barret is going to be the leader......or heck how about stryker? the newest announcer? He is a good wrestler in his own right and was pushed into teh announce table......it could work.

[MightyDavidson]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alden" data-cite="alden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I still think barret is going to be the leader......or heck how about stryker? the newest announcer? He is a good wrestler in his own right and was pushed into teh announce table......it could work.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I don't think so. The group is fine as it is right now, they don't need Striker right now.</p>

[alden]

that is why i say it is barret.....if it is anyone it should be him but they don't need anyone now.

[Self]

<p>Don't usually play catch-up on RAW, but I've grown attached to the NXT Season 1 guys despite (or maybe even because of) them being so shoddily booked over the past few months, so I watched this morning before work. Very cool. Daniel Bryan's "You are not better than me" was nice.</p><p> </p><p>

How is showing there's wood under the mat breaking kayfabe? What else would it be made of?</p>

[alden]

I guess breaking kayfabe is not the right word.....but to be honest has anyone ever done that?

[MightyDavidson]

<p>Just finished watching it all again. Was that Howard Finkel trying to rescue Justin Roberts from the NXT guys before he got clobbered? If so that may count as the Fink's crowning moment of awesome for his career, despite getting clobbered.</p><p> </p><p>

Best thing the WWE's done in years if you ask me, simply awesome.</p>

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Announcer Vince McMahon and Announcer Eric Bischoff were both bad announcers. However, they made great heel managers, color commentators, and authority figures. Maybe it's time for a career/gimmick change for Michael Cole.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That is what I was getting at both Eric and Vince got the same reactions when they were announcers and they turned into great heel managers, color commentators and authority figures. I think that it would be perfect for Michael Cole to be the next annoying announcer (that is not how I feel but I know a lot of fans do feel that way), that the fans have never respected, to turn heel.</p>

[Comradebot]

<p>WOW</p><p> </p><p>

Amazing ending. I marked out heavily after Barrett dropped Cena and pointed to the top rope. Instantly knew it meant 450 from Gabriel coming up, and both him and his finisher are mark out worthy. From getting hit with the chinlock from hell by Ares down in South Africa to hitting the 450 on national television on the biggest star in the company today... quite the journey.</p><p> </p><p>

And Barrett? Talked about it with GruntMark and we agree: he will be champion very, very soon and it'll probably be one of the wisest things the WWE has done in awhile. I'm usually not a fan of the "super fast push to the main event" ala Brock Lesnar and Sheamus, but... c'mon, Wade Barrett is amazing. Has the look of a champion (great look in general), plays an excellent heel, can actually cut a promo... heck, he's even half-talented for someone his size.</p><p> </p><p>

Oh, and Justin Gabriel rocks, his inability to cut a promo aside. Had to mark out again for him.</p>

[alden]

I see every devision being helped by this......i really want to see danials and gabrial team up.....the two faces of nxt are going to sting even more with the heel turn....come on who seen danials being heel.....he had babyface writen all over him.

[evileddie10]

With what happened on RAW I am now really hyped up for today's NXT. I wondering if the Season 1 guys will show up on NXT tonight. Or maybe try to have the new croup join them in the hunt for glory, or something along those lines. Speaking of NXT season 2, I am really excited about Alex Riley, especially since his mentor is the Miz. Perfect fit.