The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[ampulator]

You are ALL wrong... all the titles are just props now. WWE has made them meaningless.

[Jaysin]

MVP defended the title, he made you care about him winning/losing it whether you hated him or loved him. He is in my opinion the best US Champion since WWE brought the belt in.

 

The Miz, as much as I love him, the US title means nothing. It's a MIDCARD title, yet they're putting it on a guy that's supposedly breaking the glass ceiling? They could be building a nice midcard feud over the title, but instead they're using it to keep the Miz's trunks up.

[Self]

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

 

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

 

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

[ampulator]

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.

 

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

 

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

 

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

 

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

[Self]

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

 

It's awesome because it's clear what each title means. Brock Lesnar is the best fighter at a certain weight. Georges St. Pierre is the best fighter at a certain weight. Anderson Silva is the best fighter at a certain weight (is he still champ? I know he's fighting Sonnen on Saturday...) Each belt means something distinct and different to the others. It's obvious why Brock Lesnar doesn't want the Lightweight belt. He's too big. On the other hand, I haven't a clue why Sheamus (the character) wouldn't want the US Title... unless the belt was worthless.

 

I like midcard belts as long as the guidelines are clear. Cruiserweight? Awesome. We've got a weight limit. Women's? Fantastic, there's a gender limitation. Some kind of 'Young Gun' belt with an age limit would also float my boat considerably. Belts "just for midcarders" really bother me though, because card position is an 'inside' thing in my mind.

[PeterHilton]

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

 

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

 

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

 

The titles have lost importance over the years; right now the main problem is that the midcard is too thin to support a relevant midcard belt.

 

If anything, they should unify the US and IC titles and then have the champion defend on both shows, using the prop as a tool to strengthen the shows when Raw and/or SD is having a lull in their midcard.

 

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.

 

Do you even understand what that statement "all titles are props" means? Do you?

 

It's a tool used to tell stories. The appearance is relatively meaningless (did the WWE title lose credibility when Stone Cold put on a skull belt? Or when The Rock customised it? no..of course not)

 

As long as you can run a storyline where the title is the object of desire, it's not a prop. The US and both women's titles are fairly useless at the moment...the tag belts were helped by having JeriShow and ShowMiz hold the belts but are pretty benign now..but both "world titles" have been booked well as of late and even with the multiple title switches are always kept in story times as the biggest prize(s) in the business.

 

You are probably correct, but, on a somewhat related note, what do you think of UFC having different titles for different weight classes? That's MMA though, so....

 

You are f'n baffling sometimes...

[PeterHilton]

I like midcard belts as long as the guidelines are clear. Cruiserweight? Awesome. We've got a weight limit. Women's? Fantastic, there's a gender limitation. Some kind of 'Young Gun' belt with an age limit would also float my boat considerably. Belts "just for midcarders" really bother me though, because card position is an 'inside' thing in my mind.

 

Card position - in kayfabe terms - wasn't always what the belts were about.

 

it was a logical extension of the fact that the "world" title was the most important title in a promotion, so the next step down would be the "u.s." or "intercontinental"

 

And I'm sure you know all that and i get where you're coming from. but - going back to the prop idea - those secondary belts were great ways to add weight to feuds and to give fans a reason to come out to the arena (or watch the show in the case of TV titles ) when the main event players weren't involved

 

Specific guidelines aside..the belts mean as much as the writers want them to mean...depending on how much work they put into creating an impression those belts are worth fighting for.

 

no one seems to care about the US title right now, so it's meaningless. But based on the extended feuds that have gone on over the IC title on SD i would say that belt still has some prestige. At the moment, anyways.

[lazorbeak]

My point stills stands, though. All of them are just props now. Hell, one of them is even just an overblown overblinged giant piece of jewelry.

 

Yes, all titles are props in professional wrestling, because it is a fake sport. Being World Heavyweight Champion doesn't mean you are literally the greatest wrestler in the world because you won a pre-determined match. And they look like overblown pieces of jewelry so they can sell overblown pieces of jewelry, because again, wrestling is a work whose goal is to make money.

 

Man, midcard titles grind my gears. Belts should mean something; the best fighter within a specific set of guidelines. What are the guidelines for the US Title? "Midcarder"? That's the fakest thing I've ever heard. I'm glad they treat it as a joke. It deserves it.

 

It's just a reason to give lower card guys something to fight for on TV. It's fine for what it is, but I agree I like belts that have a specific purpose better. As gimmicky and dumb as the hardcore title eventually became, at least it had its own set of rules so when Al Snow or whoever held it they could claim to be the "most hardcore" guy in the promotion.

 

Personally I'd toss the belt in the trash, along with the Intercontinental title.

 

Again, belts like this have a purpose, in that they give guys that don't have fully formed storylines something to do. Dolph Ziggler isn't going to get a 10 minute promo, but darn it, he wants the IC belt! I guess he should fight the champ on TV or something...

 

All belts are props. It's just some props are treated with importance. The One Ring in Lord of the Rings, for example, is an awesome prop (or MacGuffin to go all hitch**** on y'all) because it's treated with importance. It has clear rules and guidelines, and everyone wants it (for varying reasons). The WWE titles should strive to be that important.

 

Yup, all belts are props. And now I can't help but think about Triple H withering away and rambling about "his preciousssssss."

 

 

I don't get the occasional smarky coplaints about how the IC title isn't as valuable as it was in the 80's or early 90's: of course it isn't. In the 80's and early 90's, Jimmy Snuka or Shawn Michaels could never be Heavyweight Champion, because they weren't heavyweights: the IC belt is about as far as they could go. Chris Jericho and Rey Mysterio would never have runs as world champs in that era. Additionally, the brand system means you basically have twice the guys in the main event picture, and whichever belt is being depicted as being less important in a given month is functionally acting the way the old IC title did. I mean the belt isn't the #2 belt anymore, and by a distant margin. Of course it's not as important as it was 20 years ago.

[Wrestling Century]

The belts are still important IMO, because you don't see any average joe getting the belts. When somebody gets a title, it raises their image in the eyes of the fans (usually) and is usually a way of the company telling you that they can trust you to put on a good show. Because championships usually = matches.

[Self]

It's just a reason to give lower card guys something to fight for on TV. It's fine for what it is, but I agree I like belts that have a specific purpose better. As gimmicky and dumb as the hardcore title eventually became, at least it had its own set of rules so when Al Snow or whoever held it they could claim to be the "most hardcore" guy in the promotion.

 

Again, belts like this have a purpose, in that they give guys that don't have fully formed storylines something to do. Dolph Ziggler isn't going to get a 10 minute promo, but darn it, he wants the IC belt! I guess he should fight the champ on TV or something...

 

Sure. I understand and applaud the purpose of midcard belts... even though it's slightly lazy storytelling in my mind. I'd prefer to see fights coming out of personal conflicts than too many 'you have belt, me want belt' situations. However, it's a tried and tested formula, so more power to it. I just want logic, clear-cut guidelines. I need a kayfabe reason why the characters of John Cena, Randy Orton, Triple H et al don't fight for the belt. Right now, the only reason I can see is "the belt is beneath them". Which is a terrible reason. It buries the belt more than The Miz wearing it ever could.

[Jaysin]

The belts are still important IMO, because you don't see any average joe getting the belts. When somebody gets a title, it raises their image in the eyes of the fans (usually) and is usually a way of the company telling you that they can trust you to put on a good show. Because championships usually = matches.

 

Except the Miz doesn't defend the US title. Which is my problem with him holding it in the first place.

[ampulator]

The thing is, though, Jericho, in terms of actual weight, may or may not be a heavweight. But it's not like that matters, because it is, let's face it, not a legitmate sport. And I'm fine with that.

 

The problem isn't Rey or Jericho is wearing a title. It's that WWE has no idea when to change the title to keep it interesting yet important at the same time. In past 10 years, they have tried both long reigns for a while, and then changing champions for a while. Neither worked because the problem isn't long title reigns OR constantly changing champions. It's, as I've said it before, poorly booked reigns and poorly booked matches, regardless of length of reign or how many times a guy was a champion.

[The Shape]

I don't see a problem with Cena, Trips etc not wanting the second tier belt, personally I don't have a kayfabe problem with the logic of a second tier belt, because it's logically a step in the right direction, Trips, Orton, Cena, they've all held midcard belts in the past on their way to getting to where they are.

[Teh_Showtime]

JBL's title reign was amazing

 

I was liking the Age of Orton until he got hurt too. They really had those storylines booked well.

 

Nobody expected JBL to beat Big SHow in a cage match and the way he did it was great in itself. He also beat Undertaker in a Last Ride match. That is how to get someone over

 

Nobody thought Orton would go over HHH and Cena at WM24 and he put on some good matches during that reign

[Game-Face]

Please for the love o god Cena Turn heel at summer slam. I like cena, but his face run is incredible stale. ... A heel turn for cena could shake up the entire Comapany. Maybe they could start doing some good stuff again.

[MrOnu]

Please for the love o god Cena Turn heel at summer slam. I like cena, but his face run is incredible stale. ... A heel turn for cena could shake up the entire Comapany. Maybe they could start doing some good stuff again.

 

One part of me agrees, but the other just want that Nexus angle to end. This angles no longer entertains me, I'm at the point now of finding it pointless and directionless. Of course, if you find a way to turn Cena and end the Nexus angle, that would be another thing

[TheEdgeOfReason]

One part of me agrees, but the other just want that Nexus angle to end. This angles no longer entertains me, I'm at the point now of finding it pointless and directionless. Of course, if you find a way to turn Cena and end the Nexus angle, that would be another thing

 

I love this angle. It dragged for a while but since the announced the 7 on 7, it has been great. Best storyline since Edge won his first world title for me.

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TheEdgeOfReason" data-cite="TheEdgeOfReason" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I love this angle. It dragged for a while but since the announced the 7 on 7, it has been great. Best storyline since Edge won his first world title for me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm with you Edge, I think this angle has been fine. SS will go a long way towards making it or breaking it, but overall it's been fresh and the Team Cena/Jericho angle has, as someone above me mentioned, gone a long way towards making Y2J, Edge, and Cena more believable in thier roles.</p><p> </p><p> Heck, i even sort of kinda care about Kahli's nexus interactions, which considering how much i Loath him getting air time is saying something <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Self]

<p>This morning, for the first time in a long time, I looked at the card for a WWE show and got excited.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm talking of course, about last night's WWE Superstars show. Zack Ryder vs Evan Bourne. Layla vs Tiffany. Hawkins & Archer vs The Dudebusters! I was so psyched I watched it during work. It was worth the risk of getting fired. Fun times. I found the tag match quite bizarre. It was heel vs heel, and The Dudebusters were playing subtle babyface, which I dug. They've always struck me as Edd Stone-ish characters. Egotistical idiots, but lovably so. </p><p> </p><p>

The NXT kissing contest actually looked pretty fun in highlight form.</p>

[RingofHonorGuard]

Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?

[Shmoe]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RingofHonorGuard" data-cite="RingofHonorGuard" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone else think JBL would have harassed Husky Harris severely if he was still with the company?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I also think if Joey Styles can knock JBL on his ass, Husky Harris would do far worse <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>They could turn Cena heel by having him and 1 other member of his team (Morrison maybe?) going against 2 Nexus guys. Then Cena turns on Morrison. Walks out letting himself be counted out. This allows Cena to be off television promoting his movie while Morrison continues to call out Cena. Saying what he did was cowardly blah blah blah... This angle could get Morrison over. When Cena returns it could be by running in on Morrison.</p><p> </p><p>

I dunno it would be cool because Morrison I see as our generations Shawn Michaels in a sense. He reminds me of HBK when he had his IC run.</p>

[RingofHonorGuard]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="juggaloninjalee" data-cite="juggaloninjalee" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They could turn Cena heel by having him and 1 other member of his team (Morrison maybe?) going against 2 Nexus guys. Then Cena turns on Morrison. Walks out letting himself be counted out. This allows Cena to be off television promoting his movie while Morrison continues to call out Cena. Saying what he did was cowardly blah blah blah... This angle could get Morrison over. When Cena returns it could be by running in on Morrison.<p> </p><p> I dunno it would be cool because Morrison I see as our generations Shawn Michaels in a sense. He reminds me of HBK when he had his IC run.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If they turn Cena heel I seriously doubt it would be to set up some kind of program with John Morrison. The Miz pretty much said it best, Morrison hasn't really done anything of any substance since him and Miz were champs. He's a decent wrestler, albeit nothing that makes you scream "I NEED TO SEE THIS GUY PERFORM!" He also works way better as a heel than a face, so him doing a program with Cena just seems for nothing.</p><p> </p><p> I think people are just investing too much into this... They aren't going to turn Cena heel before he releases a movie anyway. </p><p> </p><p> And honestly, The Nexus doesn't really need Cena to get over. And if the WWE believes that, then they've really missed the boat on this one.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I also think if Joey Styles can knock JBL on his ass, Husky Harris would do far worse</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, in all fairness... A) There were people in the mix separating them from anything happening, and Joey Styles took advantage of being the smaller guy(thus not being restrained as much), and threw a sucker punch more than anything else. It doesn't matter if the sucker punch was for a sucker or not <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> and B) Who the hell would expect Joey Styles to throw a punch in the first place? That in itself is just astounding, which is why it was such hot news when it happened. </p><p> </p><p> I seriously doubt Styles would have thrown that punch at JBL if there weren't a lot of people around, some of which were probably egging him on due to the dislike of JBL in the back. Regardless it happened, Husky just looks like someone ideal that JBL would be all over. Though maybe the fact that he's a generation wrestler it might cancel it out. I guess I just miss JBL... lol</p>

[juggaloninjalee]

<p>Why did Joey Styles hit JBL? I havent heard this before.</p><p> </p><p>

I just think if it came down to only Cena and Morrison and 2 Nexus guys that would be a good way to turn Cena heel. It would also help Morrison get over.</p>

[Shmoe]

<p>You never saw/heard any of the "Joey Styles - that knock out kid" stuff that was going around straight afterwards? Haha, those were funny days.</p><p> </p><p>

Story has it JBL was just aggravating Styles no end, full on constant bullying, Styles blasted him with a shot in the chops or jaw and put JBL on the ground. Which is endlessly awesome. ROHGuard, no matter the circumstances, the fact of the matter is Joey Styles knocked a 300+ pound, rough tough cowboy to the ground. With one punch, sucker or not. I get what you're saying though, I miss JBL ...more as a commentator though, I gotta say.</p><p> </p><p>

Apparently back in the day when he was Bradshaw he was screwing with Steve Blackman at an airport, Blackman went to roundhouse kick him but his foot got caught in a bag. Say what you will about JBL, but at least he keeps things interesting, haha.</p>