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Wait a minute that avatar has never been employed by the WWF and therefore cannot be posted in this thread!

 

Now for something that is on topic, why oh why is Booker T. on commentary?

 

Don't get me wrong I have always been a huge Booker T. fan but some people just do not have the talent to do commentary. And Booker T. is one of them.

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Wait a minute that avatar has never been employed by the WWF and therefore cannot be posted in this thread!

 

Now for something that is on topic, why oh why is Booker T. on commentary?

 

Don't get me wrong I have always been a huge Booker T. fan but some people just do not have the talent to do commentary. And Booker T. is one of them.

 

Wait a minute.... Wait a minute...

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I never bothered getting attached to the idea of Christian as a World Champion, because it was really never meant to be taken seriously. You're crazy if you thought he was going to get the TNA treatment. He was just their last resort. Look at the SD line up. Show and Kane aren't anything new, and wanted time off. Henry needed time to be built up as a threat, which is now complete. Taker is chillin at his crib, bald and ****. And Wade, Sheamus and Rhodes can't be depended on YET.

 

That left Christian. Reliable, good in the ring, good on the mic. He was their only choice until they were able to build up someone else(Henry). Sure, they let Christian get in a few wins, and two terribly short title reigns. That was just so the feud would drag out a little longer since they were putting on good matches anyway, and they didn't want to rush Henry's push. They still made sure that Orton eventually murdered Christian every other week. The Christian push was never really meant to be that big of a push. Oh well, at least we got good matches out of it.

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait a minute that avatar has never been employed by the WWF and therefore cannot be posted in this thread!<p> </p><p> Now for something that is on topic, why oh why is Booker T. on commentary?</p><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong I have always been a huge Booker T. fan but some people just do not have the talent to do commentary. And Booker T. is one of them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "AwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW MAH GOOT-NESS~!"</p><p> </p><p> Yeah, he's pretty terrible...</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MasterJ" data-cite="MasterJ" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Booker is great on commentary</div></blockquote> <p> </p><p> To me Booker is one of those so bad they are awesome commentators. Like Phil Rizzuto was when he would do commentary for the Yankees. </p><p> </p><p> Phil Rizzuto: Holy cow Bobby that was a fastball strike right down the middle of the plate. Wait a minute that was a ball down and in...holy cow."</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To me Booker is one of those so bad they are awesome commentators. <strong>Like Phil Rizzuto was when he would do commentary for the Yankees. </strong><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> Phil Rizzuto: Holy cow Bobby that was a fastball strike right down the middle of the plate. Wait a minute that was a ball down and in...holy cow."</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Yankees are definitely not owned by the WWE. Stay on topic damnit! <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Ahem.........Booker T is damn horrible on commentary but I have a soft spot for the guy going back to his days when he worked for that company that wasn't the WWE.</p>
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Im gonna go off topic idc <img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> How about that new Benzino song dissing em, royce, Jay, and Kanye. lol <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Yankees are definitely not owned by the WWE. Stay on topic damnit! <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Ahem.........Booker T is damn horrible on commentary but I have a soft spot for the guy going back to his days when he worked for that company that wasn't the WWE.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> But could the Yankees own the WWE? A-ha, blew your mind! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I like Booker, but he doesn't seem to gel for me on commentary. It's like he's unsure what kind of personality he wants to project, and gets caught up in himself. Two weeks ago, "D-Bry" was a nickname because Bryan was a void of charisma, but now, his boy "D-Bry" is the total package. </p><p> </p><p> And if I hear about the "Fave 5" or "Fab 5" or "Circle of 5" or whatever he's calling it at any given minute, I may scream. </p><p> </p><p> I still say a team of Josh Matthews, William Regal, and Matt Striker would be gold. Josh doing play by play (*gasp* lost art!), Regal with the old school wrestler/villain/funny story about Vinegar Viera, and Striker marking like a five year old. Classic!</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait a minute that avatar has never been employed by the WWF and therefore cannot be posted in this thread!<p> </p><p> Now for something that is on topic, why oh why is Booker T. on commentary?</p><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong I have always been a huge Booker T. fan but some people just do not have the talent to do commentary. And Booker T. is one of them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWE has a tendency to make their commentators fail so I'm not sold on him being bad.</p><p> </p><p> You all saw the devolution of Jerry the King and the evolution of Michael Cole. </p><p> </p><p> If Booker's voice was amplified, he'd be much more decent. He has the voice for it but he gets drowned out by Cole or JR or Josh.</p><p> </p><p> Almost every wrestler has that problem it seems, even Punk. The difference is Punk plays like Heenan and just heel out the loud play by plays but just imagine Booker T having a louder voice and then <em>wait a minute</em> would seem more like Booker telling the viewers that something big is happening rather than some hobo talking to himself.</p><p> </p><p> The guy was actually decent during the Sheamus and Mark Henry match when he started matching Cole's commentary with that bullying comment. It's just right now Cole is the dominant character and Booker is not stepping up to plate but I eventually see that changing if he doesn't get removed from the commentary.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="steesh07" data-cite="steesh07" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just finished reading Brets book and Michaels is such a d*ck, as with Nash.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The problem with autobiographies is that the view is always biased based on that person's life. Bret might be a jerk in real life, Shawn might be, they both might be or maybe neither of them are. You don't know exactly what really happened, as they both hated each other. They could be overexaggerating.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ZMAN" data-cite="ZMAN" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I never bothered getting attached to the idea of Christian as a World Champion, because it was really never meant to be taken seriously. You're crazy if you thought he was going to get the TNA treatment. He was just their last resort. Look at the SD line up. Show and Kane aren't anything new, and wanted time off. Henry needed time to be built up as a threat, which is now complete. Taker is chillin at his crib, bald and ****. And Wade, Sheamus and Rhodes can't be depended on YET. <p> </p><p> That left Christian. Reliable, good in the ring, good on the mic. He was their only choice until they were able to build up someone else(Henry). Sure, they let Christian get in a few wins, and two terribly short title reigns. That was just so the feud would drag out a little longer since they were putting on good matches anyway, and they didn't want to rush Henry's push. They still made sure that Orton eventually murdered Christian every other week. The Christian push was never really meant to be that big of a push. Oh well, at least we got good matches out of it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I am a big Christian fan so would like to see him get a longer shot at some point. As for Henry, he has been built up as Orton's next challenger but I don't see Orton dropping the title again any time soon and definitely not to Henry. So who will face Orton at HIAC? Christian again?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sebsy" data-cite="sebsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So who will face Orton at HIAC? Christian again?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Probably. That could be one hell of a match <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> And about the commentary. Booker and Cole are way beyond horrible on smackdown.</p><p> Their bickering takes away from the action and you don't know what the hell's going on <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> They should learn from JR/King from 2002-2004 how to do good commentary and be entertaining at the same time. Holy **** they were awesome <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<p>Well King and JR have the advantage of being dare I say <em>pussies</em>.</p><p> </p><p>

It's always easier to be a commentator by being a ***** because for the most part you have to be easily sensitive, appalled, disgusting, weak, annoying, the list goes on and on.</p><p> </p><p>

In contrast Cole is built up as an elitist prick. He's the guy who builds up guys like Miz and Daniel Bryan by being a heel himself. His bickering is meant to built up the characters, not the action. That's the job of the other two guys. They have to keep up with Cole but unfortunately not even JR seems to have a knack for this.</p><p> </p><p>

Booker is bad but he can't just imitate the King. The King was sold as a ***** when he came to the WWE and commentating fit his character while it wasn't so long ago that Booker wrestled. Booker is meant to be his own character. Either that or he's meant to be the token black Don West. Neither of that fits in with what King/JR were and King/JR weren't exactly carbon copies of previous commentators.</p><p> </p><p>

Anyway I don't really get this neutrality that follows Bret Hart all the time. Any other wrestler and they would have more haters/nuthuggers but with Bret it's always that Bret <em>might</em> have been the jerk. That Bret <em>might</em> have been in it for himself. That Bret <em>might</em> be the one who deserves being screwed by the boss because all he wants is money or to ruin the WWF.</p><p> </p><p>

Bret isn't some common superstar like Hogan and HBK. His reign as champion had seen the most diverse run of champions not just in who headlined the events but how each events transpired and how differently each main event storyline was sold. That's why even something like punching Vince Mcmahon was a big deal. At the time of his reign, that guy was the closest equivalent to a wrestling saint that got the belt in the top promotion and had a long reign with it. Accusing him of being someone who might be just as much of a jerk as a general superstar like HBK who aimed to follow the wrestling politics of past superstars to retain the belt is what ruins the IWF's credibility sometimes. No one's saying this guy's perfect but do we have to ignore the man's history and resort to the general idea of how autobiographies are flawed just to make a jerk be less of a jerk and a great guy be less of a great guy? At the very least bring up some specific counter examples for God's sake.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lexa90" data-cite="Lexa90" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Probably. That could be one hell of a match <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> And about the commentary. Booker and Cole are way beyond horrible on smackdown.</p><p> Their bickering takes away from the action and you don't know what the hell's going on <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> They should learn from JR/King from 2002-2004 how to do good commentary and be entertaining at the same time. Holy **** they were awesome <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can only be Christian in my mind. Henry won't be getting the title, but they won't have him lose 2 straight ppv's to Orton. It would be a great match and the absolute final match between the two.</p><p> </p><p> Incidentally, Lexa, my next diary will finally be starting soon and will begin the night after Summerslam. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Lexa90" data-cite="Lexa90" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Probably. That could be one hell of a match <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> And about the commentary. Booker and Cole are way beyond horrible on smackdown.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> Totally agree. Booker is horrible but he is better than Cole in that he is at least trying to get things over; Cole just buries things left and right. I know the idea is Cole is the heel-ish commentator and he is 'meant' to rag on certain things, but the man is just incapable of doing it right. He doesn't bury things in a heelish manner he just buries things. At least someone like Jesse Ventura would give the babyfaces some credibility and talk them up in a positive manner and not the backhanded way Cole does before going right back to knocking them down with everything he's got.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait a minute that avatar has never been employed by the WWF and therefore cannot be posted in this thread!<p> </p><p> Now for something that is on topic, why oh why is Booker T. on commentary?</p><p> </p><p> Don't get me wrong I have always been a huge Booker T. fan but some people just do not have the talent to do commentary. And Booker T. is one of them.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Dude, this is about WRESTLING. Stop talking about the Worl Wildlife Fund, or whatever it's called. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Imarevenant" data-cite="Imarevenant" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Yankees are definitely not owned by the WWE. Stay on topic damnit! <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Ahem.........Booker T is damn horrible on commentary but I have a soft spot for the guy going back to his days when he worked for that company that wasn't the WWE.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup, loved him back then too. His ring presence at least for me was great. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The problem with autobiographies is that the view is always biased based on that person's life. <strong>Bret might be a jerk</strong> in real life, Shawn might be, they both might be or maybe neither of them are. You don't know exactly what really happened, as they both hated each other. They could be overexaggerating.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Whoa hold your tongue. He beat the crap out if Vince. In my book that makes him GREAT not to mention he's one of my two all time favorites.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fantabulous" data-cite="Fantabulous" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Totally agree. Booker is horrible but he is better than Cole in that he is at least trying to get things over; Cole just buries things left and right. I know the idea is Cole is the heel-ish commentator and he is 'meant' to rag on certain things, but the man is just incapable of doing it right. He doesn't bury things in a heelish manner he just buries things. At least someone like Jesse Ventura would give the babyfaces some credibility and talk them up in a positive manner and not the backhanded way Cole does before going right back to knocking them down with everything he's got.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Who has Cole really buried though? If anything Cole has become one of the biggest heel because he is doing it somewhat right.</p><p> </p><p> He's not supposed to be heel-ish. He's supposed to be a flat out heel. Not just as a commentator but as a character.</p><p> </p><p> Cole is supposed to help make the Miz over as a heel because you're hearing him say he likes him (not because he's telling you how Miz is) </p><p> </p><p> ...and help Daniel Bryan go over as a face because you're hearing him say he hates him (not because he's describing how good/bad Bryan is). </p><p> </p><p> He's not supposed to give anyone credibility by describing things. He's supposed to be just a character that you would flat out root against for whether he's feuding with King or he's doing some other silly thing including commentary.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="sebsy" data-cite="sebsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Incidentally, Lexa, my next diary will finally be starting soon and will begin the night after Summerslam. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Cool. Hopefully I'll have time to read it. Been pretty busy ATM <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm still baffled that Striker and Grish arent on SD anymore. Even with heel Cole they at least would call the moves (correctly). There has to be a point where you know the name and not scream vintage</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah! I always liked Grisham and Striker. Grisham is actually a very underrated Announcer. He was awesome in the old heat days.</p><p> </p><p> It's really sad when Josh Matthews is usually trying his best to call the matches on SD! But he doesn't get a chance when Booker and Cole are babbling all the time <img alt=":confused:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<p>On topic and dirt sheet material:</p><p> </p><p>

Credit: PWTorch</p><p> </p><p>

Booker T says his in-ring days are not over and to "stay tuned" on a possible return to the ring. Booker, who wrestled Jack Swagger on Raw TV two months ago in an unhyped singles match, tweeted on Wednesday: "Q. Why am I not wrestling now. I feel great, I still train daily I'm going to finish it, so just stay tuned." Booker also picked up where RVD left off in TNA claiming the Young Bucks (Generation Me in TNA) disrespected him at TV this week. Read Booker's tweets at Twitter.com/BookerT5x.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="SaySo" data-cite="SaySo" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On topic and dirt sheet material:<p> </p><p> Credit: PWTorch</p><p> </p><p> Booker T says his in-ring days are not over and to "stay tuned" on a possible return to the ring. Booker, who wrestled Jack Swagger on Raw TV two months ago in an unhyped singles match, tweeted on Wednesday: "Q. Why am I not wrestling now. I feel great, I still train daily I'm going to finish it, so just stay tuned." Booker also picked up where RVD left off in TNA claiming the Young Bucks (Generation Me in TNA) disrespected him at TV this week. Read Booker's tweets at Twitter.com/BookerT5x.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nice. I could always dream about the return of KIIIING BOOOKAAAH!!! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />:D</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wrestling Century" data-cite="Wrestling Century" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The problem with autobiographies is that the view is always biased based on that person's life. Bret might be a jerk in real life, Shawn might be, they both might be or maybe neither of them are. You don't know exactly what really happened, as they both hated each other. They could be overexaggerating.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can't we just all agree that both Bret and Shawn are jerks in their own right and move on?</p>
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