foolinc Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Finished RAW.... The WWE: Where our heels have legitimate reasons to be pissed, and our babyfaces are half-witted trolls... How is this different from Hulk Hogan run as the guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think the problem was he said specifically Wrestlemania PPV's, which have for the most part, been bigger then the UFC average PPV's. If you just want to use Brock's two PPV's as an example, then I believe it rolls more towards his UFC stuff... We don't know what Wrestlemania would do with Brock in it, hopefully we will find out. But I believe the UFC PPV (his last and best numbers for PPV) did 1.6, and Wrestlemania did 1.3 (the one that broke records)... however, they have gone over a million more then a few times. The rest of their PPV's aren't keeping up though. IF he would have just said "They're trying to tap into the UFC audience, where he pulled bigger PPV #s than WWE PPV's average." it would have been a much better comparison... However, he specifically said "They're trying to tap into the UFC audience, where he pulled bigger PPV #s than the WWE ever has for any Wrestlemania." Which isn't true. Everything else, far as his opinion is IMO spot on.... I believe that's exactly what they were trying to do, and the reason they kept calling it a fight (to the point I was getting irritated with it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I think we all know the point he was trying to make. We don't have to semantically break down where specific wording is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantabulous Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Getting REAL buy rates for both companies isn't a mystery and anyone can find the numbers out of they put in a little effort. For UFC, you have to know where to look, and have your eyes open when you do so, but they're findable. And WWE buy rates can be found out when they publish their financial reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Out of the ring with the PTP seriously entertaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Getting REAL buy rates for both companies isn't a mystery and anyone can find the numbers out of they put in a little effort. For UFC, you have to know where to look, and have your eyes open when you do so, but they're findable. And WWE buy rates can be found out when they publish their financial reports. So when you say "you have to know where to look", this would imply that it might not be readily available, publicized, and in a word (like the one I used) "mysterious"? I mean I never said "unattainable" But still, we're back to that whole "semantics" point from before. Probably didn't read that part though. haha love you, bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Out of the ring with the PTP seriously entertaining That's the type of promos WWE should be showing clips of on SD to get their tag teams and midcarders over. Nice dig at Jericho by Ziggler in his latest WWE Download episode: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 PWI 500 list 1 - CM Punk 2 - Bobby Roode 3 - John Cena 4 - Daniel Bryan 5 - Sheamus 6 - Jun Akiyama 7 - Davey Richards 8 - Kurt Angle 9 - Mark Henry 10 - Alberto Del Rio 11 - Hiroyoshi Tenzan 12 - James Storm 13 - Austin Aries 14 - Randy Orton 15 - Christian 16 - Dolph Ziggler 17 - Big Show 18 - Eddie Edwards 19 - L.A. Park 20 - Kevin Steen 21 - Jeff Hardy 22 - Kane 23 - Cody Rhodes 24 - Takashi Sugiura 25 - Devon 26 - Dr. Wagner Jr. 27 - Mr. Anderson 28 - AJ Styles 29 - Chris Jericho 30 - Bully Ray top 30 so far. Not much comes at a shock, top 5 are pretty deserving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 I thought that Henry would be higher and expected Cena to be outside the top 10. Punk and Roode were locks for 1 and 2 as they both held the titles pretty much the entire time from July-July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Wait, how does Devon beat out Bully Ray? Devon is a midcard champion while Bully Ray has been in the UpperMid/Main Event scene all year. Devon has been in a storylines with Garrett Bischoff and the often absent Pope while Bully Ray has feuded with people like Mr. Anderson, Jeff Hardy, and Abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenaciousG Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Wait, how does Devon beat out Bully Ray? Devon is a midcard champion while Bully Ray has been in the UpperMid/Main Event scene all year. Devon has been in a storylines with Garrett Bischoff and the often absent Pope while Bully Ray has feuded with people like Mr. Anderson, Jeff Hardy, and Abyss. Probably because Devon's been a midcard champion. For the meteoric rise Ray's had as Bully Ray, he's lost virtually every feud he's had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Not the best SD this year but it had its moments: Cole trying to be a tweener announcer with guest announcers every match (inlcuding the entertaining PTP). Rhodes turning Sin Cara's mask around, handing Slater a rare win. Face v face tag team match followed by a tag team locker room brawl. Ziggler trying to cash in twice and eating an RKO. Sheamus being assaulted by both Ziggler and ADR. Orton v ADR (#1 Contender match) - Orton looked really sharp. I thought ADR would win but didn't expect Orton to tap out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/8/26/3268976/video-john-cena-upstages-cm-punk-at-nxt-taping#storyjump And people thought Ryback was getting over... I'm questioning every single pop that happens at a WWE event from here on out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 They do that with just about every re-package of an angle or what have you, even when everyone seen it on Raw totally differently. No big surprise at all... They even did it with CM Punk on his return a year ago. When I watched the show, there wasn't half as much cheers as there is in every re-packaging of that moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/8/26/3268976/video-john-cena-upstages-cm-punk-at-nxt-taping#storyjump And people thought Ryback was getting over... I'm questioning every single pop that happens at a WWE event from here on out. wait wait wait...are you telling me WWE does post production work on it's content? that they play with audio to make things seem more impressive than they actually are? That they change reality around for the sake of their entertainment product? Whats next! will matches have pre-determined outcomes? Will fans be planted in the crowd to react a certain way to events? will good guys and bad guys hang out behind the scenes?!!?! Are kane and the undertaker not brothers???? my whole world has been flipped upside down, If you can't trust professional wrestling to be on the up and up, what other athletic events might be affected? THE WORLD MADE SENSE AN HOUR AGO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/8/26/3268976/video-john-cena-upstages-cm-punk-at-nxt-taping#storyjump And people thought Ryback was getting over... I'm questioning every single pop that happens at a WWE event from here on out. If it was that serious they would have been editing out Cena's boos for the last half decade Just let them tell the story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 With a taped wrestling show the company has the benefit of editing the situation if they feel they can boost what's happening on screen. This includes crowd noise. They've been doing it since the first wrestling shows hit the airwaves in the 1950s. Wrestling companies lie to us? ::sadface:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
critical-23 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Sin Cara doing the Funkasaurus dance??? I'm loving it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Am I the only one who watched the end of RAW as Cena was yelling "Get the cage up!" that thought, Just climb in dumb *ss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lo-Drew Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 That Kane segment, amazing! As goofy as the idea of Daniel Bryan and Kane in anger management, Kane's part was awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdWarrior Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I had to mark out a little for Punk singing Andy Kaufman's old song out there! "I'm the king! I'm the king! I'm the king of Memphis, Tennessee!!!!"" T'was the greatness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makhai Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 With a taped wrestling show the company has the benefit of editing the situation if they feel they can boost what's happening on screen. This includes crowd noise. They've been doing it since the first wrestling shows hit the airwaves in the 1950s. Wrestling companies lie to us? ::sadface:: No arguments from me. Although in the early days of Cable and Syndication most of it was a lack of proper audio capture equipment and is forgivable in a lot of circumstances. As it was fairly transparent that it was generic crowd noise to simulate a wrestling show, rather than legit crowd noise. But I've seen more than a few on this board, and otherwise, buy into the questionable pop. It's 2012. This inexcusable at any level. Sunlight, it disinfects. And they wouldn't do it if it didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I had to mark out a little for Punk singing Andy Kaufman's old song out there! "I'm the king! I'm the king! I'm the king of Memphis, Tennessee!!!!"" T'was the greatness! "I want complete silence!" Maybe if Drew McIntyre or Jinder Mahal yelled that, they might *not* get silence for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Mediocre Raw with a lot of silliness but everything involving Bryan and Kane was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 There was a bunch of sloppy botches. Meffew will have a field day with yesterday's Raw. I don't care for Punk going after King but I guess they wanna go full heel turn by the winter's main PPVs so he can (presumably) fight The Rock at Wrestlemania. Easiest way to go full heel? Beat up Jerry Lawler. Its a little disappointing that WWE cant seem to write an interesting heel turn that doesn't involve a guy becoming little more than a school yard bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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