shawn michaels Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 <p>Ok, RAW review:</p><p> </p><p> Orton vs. Bryan take 1 (Double DQ) - Good match, and a nice, fast paced and intense way to open up Monday Night Raw. It was almost the first time in a long time that RAW opened without a promo. Almost being the key word, as there were some words exchanged between both men and bryan had some things to say before Orton arrived. But it was a good way to open the show. As I said, intense and fast paced. - I'll give it a B+ grade. Very good opening.</p><p> </p><p> Sheamus/Christian vs. Rhodes Scholars: Solid match, maintaining the high rhythm brought by the previous segment and it didn't disappoint as a match. The result was good, everyone went home happy. Nothing wrong with it. That will be a C+</p><p> </p><p> Kaytlin vs. Aksana: Regular divas match. Not the stuff dreams are made of, but nothing that tainted the show. Served it's purpose to slow down the show's pace a little, preventing a crowd burnout, and was followed by another good promo from AJ, thus advancing a good storyline so far. I will give this match and promo combo one solid C</p><p> </p><p> Y2J vs. Del Rio: Solid match between two great competitors with Y2J finally winning for a change. WWE proved that they know how to use PST when they want and again the pace was faster. Intense match, but not too much, with both men showing good stuff and Y2J picking up a win which I believed it would probably lead to a 3 way at MITB, but that was not ment to be. Then Ziggler attacked Del Rio and still had time to Zig Zag the crap out of Jericho. Good stuff. Another storyline advancing well. I will give it a C+ for the match and a B for the segment that followed.</p><p> </p><p> Ryback vs. Khali: Oh Natalya...what did you do to deserve this? Yeah...well, every good show needs a bathroom brake or two, especially a 3 hour one. If you haven't watched RAW yet, feel free to go to the bathroom when this part comes. I will give this Match a E-. Then a segment followed between Ryback, Y2J and Vickie...basically setting up a Ryback vs Y2J at MITB. Regular stuff. It is a C grade segment. Nothing too transcendent, and nothing bad either.</p><p> </p><p> Tons of Funk vs.The Usos vs. 3MB: The chance to give The Usos a match at MITB that they deserve, even if we know they will lose it, but hey...someone's gotta lose. Nothing special here, in what actually was a mediocre match. D+</p><p> </p><p> CM Punk vs. Darren Young: A match where Punk had more offense then expected, but not a bad match. C grade. And a good promo with Paul Heyman that advanced a feud that promises to be good. Paul was good as he is always is on the mic, Punk was great and the crowd really had no idea how to respond to Punk giving the benefit of doubt to Heyman and hugging him. Which was good, because I think that they were aiming at that reaction and it's the best possible reaction one could expect from that promo. Then Punk was attacked by PTP and Curtis Axel made the save, which served as way to keep Heyman connected to Punk and delivers a tag team match next week that will probably keep the storyline flowing well. B grade for the promo.</p><p> </p><p> Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton: Great stuff, great match and the perfect way to end the show. There was intensity, fast paced action, some bumps, weapons and a good match overall. Based not just in the quality of the match itself, but also on the quality of how well these guys told their Story, I will give it a B+ Good stuff!</p><p> </p><p> Overall: B grade to Monday Night Raw. A good show that had it's ups and downs but was mostly good and entertaining. And that's what we want to see. WWE's product is improving and although this wasn't as good as last Monday's RAW (which I grade as B+) I think it kept the quality and helped build the momentum to what we expect to be a good PPV.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astil Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 <p>I feel like the only one in the world who liked the Punk v. Young match MORE than the Bryan v. Orton match. For a 6 minute (according to newz sites) match Young got in a lot of offense.</p><p> </p><p> @Russ I didn't mind the gimmick review. Maybe do a "real" review and a "mark" review but keep them separate. I don't think it's the content putting people off, it's the formatting.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like the only one in the world who liked the Punk v. Young match MORE than the Bryan v. Orton match. For a 6 minute (according to newz sites) match Young got in a lot of offense.<p> </p><p> @Russ I didn't mind the gimmick review. Maybe do a "real" review and a "mark" review but keep them separate. I don't think it's the content putting people off, it's the formatting.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Think of it in TEW terms. You liked the quality of Punk and Young's match more then you did with Bryan and Orton's, and that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but the majority of the fans will respond more to Bryan and Orton's match because they are more over then Young, so you have 2 main eventers delivering a good story in the ring opposed to the one main eventer and one lower midcarder doing the same. Personally I think that Orton vs. Bryan was much better. For several reasons, but that's my opinion and it's worth as much as it's worth. Which is, the same as anybody elses's opinion. But if you think about it in TEW terms, it's easy to understand why most people will like the ME match more then the other one.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astil Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Think of it in TEW terms. You liked the quality of Punk and Young's match more then you did with Bryan and Orton's, and that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but the majority of the fans will respond more to Bryan and Orton's match because they are more over then Young, so you have 2 main eventers delivering a good story in the ring opposed to the one main eventer and one lower midcarder doing the same. Personally I think that Orton vs. Bryan was much better. For several reasons, but that's my opinion and it's worth as much as it's worth. Which is, the same as anybody elses's opinion. But if you think about it in TEW terms, it's easy to understand why most people will like the ME match more then the other one. I get exactly what you're saying and I 100% agree. I just felt like Punk and Young drew me in, I actually felt like Young could steal it at a point. Maybe it's because it caught me off guard and I expected D-Bry and Orton to go long and be back and forth (although Orton tapping was a great surprise). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I feel like the only one in the world who liked the Punk v. Young match MORE than the Bryan v. Orton match. For a 6 minute (according to newz sites) match Young got in a lot of offense. @Russ I didn't mind the gimmick review. Maybe do a "real" review and a "mark" review but keep them separate. I don't think it's the content putting people off, it's the formatting. Orton vs Bryan was one of the best TV matches I've seen in a while I did actually feel like Young might when off the gut buster and it was a fine match though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rone Rivendale Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Was I the only one who for a split second thought Darren Young was going to attempt a GTS to Punk? Maybe it's because I didn't remember what his actual finisher was until he did it. Anyway, GREAT Raw. The Bryan vs Orton match was PPV worthy. And I even enjoyed the Khali vs Ryback match and was surprised to see Khali get in like 90% of the offense. Very happy the Divas are finally getting storylines that don't involve AJ being a sl.... easy girl. Kaiylyn/AJ could end being the best thing since Trish/Lita. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Marginally agree that it's nice to get a different perspective. I just wish I could understand half these posts. <p> </p><p> Also, is it too late to double down on getting RVD back and just get John Morrison instead? If we really need a spot-to-spot upper midcarder to put over the million young heels on Raw, I'd much prefer JoMo. Although I hope they put RVD in a team with Sin Cara so we can get fast forward <em>and</em> slow motion botches.</p></div></blockquote><p> Kind of the intention, was going for that.</p><p> </p><p> Far as Morrison instead of RVD, myself... I always liked RVD. I was just going in all the way right before that incident stole everything from him. My opinion... Had that not have happened, ECW was leading to be as important as Smackdown, and might even still be around today. Can't go back and find out, so it's a point I can't ever prove, but I don't think I would have been anymore into ECW then I was any of their prior "B" type shows, which is... IF there is nothing else going on I will watch it. IF anything else is going on, it's just another tv show, and I don't really watch TV much. I "was" starting to feel like Morrison could be a bigger star right before he left. Used to feel the same way about Morrison as I do about Drew. Never thought he would appear mature enough to be much of a threat. Even now with Drew, he doesn't impress me at all. I try and I try to see what everyone else see's in him, and I can't... but I couldn't with Morrison either, but I think after the Miz tag up and him turning face, in that time period somewhere I began to see it. Perhaps one day Drew will show me something similar, but so far nada.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Morrison should be returning pretty soon. He has openly said he wanted a couple years away and would be back in WWE once he gets his fitness stuff off the ground.<p> </p><p> He's taken many more indy dates this year compared to last year so it seems to me like he's gearing up for a WWE return with his fitness program releasing a few months ago.</p></div></blockquote><p> Want to know who I wish would come back? I wish MVP would come back more then any other wrestler I can think of.</p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to be a Grammar Nasi but...<p> </p><p> <span>http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/147/b/3/damien_sandow___you__re_welcome_by_heavymetalgear-d518o1g.png</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank you!<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to be a Grammar Nasi but...<p> </p><p> <span>http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/147/b/3/damien_sandow___you__re_welcome_by_heavymetalgear-d518o1g.png</span></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not to be a grammar ****, but it's actually ****! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D</p><p> </p><p> Edit: Wow, the freakin' word is censored. I had no idea! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Ridiculous.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not to be a grammar ****, but it's actually ****! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D<p> </p><p> Edit: Wow, the freakin' word is censored. I had no idea! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Ridiculous.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's why I went with Nasi <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> EDIT: Those * could mean a lot of words.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's why I went with Nasi <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> EDIT: Those * could mean a lot of words.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, they could, but they mean N.A.Z.I. Anyway, did not know the word was censored, so my bad. I'll stop talking about ****sm now! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThriceP86 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Astil" data-cite="Astil" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like the only one in the world who liked the Punk v. Young match MORE than the Bryan v. Orton match. For a 6 minute (according to newz sites) match Young got in a lot of offense.<p> </p><p> @Russ I didn't mind the gimmick review. Maybe do a "real" review and a "mark" review but keep them separate. I don't think it's the content putting people off, it's the formatting.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't say I didn't like Punk vs. Young but I was puzzled why it was booked until Axel came out to save Punk. I like that they're doing something different but the chemistry between Punk and Young seemed off and/or one of them was off last night. Maybe I'm reading into it too much but I guess I was hoping Punk would face someone more formidable on RAW after coming off of the win against Jericho at Payback.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Want to know who I wish would come back? I wish MVP would come back more then any other wrestler I can think of.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I second this! And dare I say I'd love a heel Batista come back and tell John Cena that he "ain't kissin' babies and huggin' fat girls!" AGAIN! lol, it still makes me chuckle</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>russellrules... I like the recaps. But keep it simple because all the extra Santino stuff made it really hard to read. Get the easy stuff right (the recaps themselves) and once you've got that nailed, then maybe try some stuff. Gotta walk before you can run. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> I'm in the process of watching RAW just now since people seem enthused about it for the last couple of shows. Is nice to see the WWE doing things that someone on the internet enjoys... it seems to rare that seeing it really does make me happy. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Though from what I've watched so far, I still say that TNA is better in general. <img alt=";)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/wink.png.686f06e511ee1fbf6bdc7d82f6831e53.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You have a point.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 <p>And now, It's time for the WWE Smackdown review! (With special guest Zack Ryder)</p><p> </p><p> Sheamus vs Damien Sandow- Sandow and Sheamus has been an impressive rivalry, but it looks to have run it's course, Damien Sandow gave it his all but in the end, Sheamus's Brogue Kick through the chairs sealed this match's fate, fun match. (6/10)</p><p> </p><p> Natalya vs AJ Lee- Natalya is finally getting credit, Face it, The Divas have been saved by the E network. (6/10)</p><p> </p><p> Randy Orton vs Kane- Great match, This two fought like the dickens! And Daniel Bryan? Awesome as always! (8.5/10)</p><p> </p><p> Justin Gabriel vs Ryback- If Ryback loses to Chris Jericho come MiTB.......It might be for Ryback to say........CRYBACK.............DOES NOT RULE! (5/10)</p><p> </p><p> Christian and The Usos vs The Shield- Good match, GREAT ending! Never saw it coming! (7.5/10)</p><p> </p><p> Rating: C+ (This wasn't the best Smackdown in the world, but it had it's ups and downs, then again, pressure's really been in it for the bookers lately.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#DDA0DD;">Zack Ryder's Rough Ryder-view</span></p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: What's going on my broskis? My name is Long Island Iced Z! Zack Ryder! And I RULE!, Ha, Howdaya like them apples Ryback! Or should I say, CRY-Back! *laughs*......But anyways, LET'S GET TO MATCHES!</p><p> </p><p> "The Celtic Warrior" Sheamus vs "The Intellrectum Saviour of the Asses" Damien Sandow- Yeah, This was a good match, And hey, Sheamus won! (6 Woo Woo Woos out of 10)</p><p> </p><p> "The Canadian Girl of Fire" Natalya vs "The Bitch whose worser than Eve Torres, The Hoeski herself" AJ Lee- *Laughs* That was great! (7 Woo Woo Woos out of 10)</p><p> </p><p> "The Viper" Randy Orton vs "The Big Red Machine" Kane- Kane............if your watching this..........Yes, I'm the one who stole your mask. *laughs* (8 Woo Woo Woos out of 10)</p><p> </p><p> "Cryback" Ryback vs "The Capetown Werewolf" Justin Gabriel- Give it up Ryback, You're not Vince McMahon's next cashcow, I am!, But anyways, Squash match........sortof. (3 Woo Woo Woos out of 10)</p><p> </p><p> "The Canadian Hot Head" Christian and The Samoan Warriors vs "Suckiness, Hell, In, Extremely, Lame, Douchyness" Otherwise known as The Shield- Did you know that I faced them in their first match on RAW?........And I lost?.....*sigh* F**k cliches. (7 Woo Woo Woos out of 10)</p><p> </p><p> Final Broski Tally: 31 Woo Woo Woos out of 60! This was a pretty average show in my opinion, You know what they should have done? Have ME in the main event! I mean, GOD! WTH is wrong with Mr. McMahon?</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Uh, Ryder?</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: I mean, Back in 2010, I was barely featured, I had nothing! Hell, I was close to being futurely endeavoured!, But then, Things changed, Fans started cheering for me, People started buying my merchandise, I had begun the Ryder Revolution! Then 2011......I did it.......I had become, UNITED STATES CHAMPION!</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Ryder we really need to end this right now......</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: But what does Mr. McMahon do?, He F***S WITH MY FANS AND GIVES THE TITLE TO JACK SWAGGER! THE HELL, HE'S NEVER HAD A MEMORABLE TITLE REIGN IN HIS LIFE! WHY GIVE IT TO HIM? IT WAS THE BEST THING IN MY DAMN LIFE!</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Ryder, We really need to wrap this up now.</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: AND YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS?............KANE COMES IN AND F***S MY WHOLE DAY UP! Then, WrestleMania.........WRESTLE-F***ING-MANIA!, And I had my first WrestleMania match! And.............I lost..............THANKS THE F**K A LOT EVE!</p><p> </p><p> Eve Torres: *rolls her eyes*</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Ryder, Seriously, We need to hurry this up now!</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: THEN, OVER THE LIMIT, WTH DO THEY DO? GIVE ME KANE AND HAVE HIM DESTROY MY F***ING CAREER! AND THEN THE REST OF THE YEAR?...........I LOSE EVERY F***ING MATCH! AND THEN 2013, OH BOY, MAYBE RYDER WILL FINALLY GET A PUSH?, BUT NO!!!!!!! THEY FEED ME TO ASSHOLES LIKE HEATH SLATER, MICHAEL MCGILLICUTTY, DREW MCINTYRE, AND JTG!</p><p> </p><p> 3MB, Axel and JTG: *mad*</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Security?!</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: SEE? THIS IS WHAT THEY DO WITH THE YOUNG TALENT! THEY BUILD THEM UP! THEN THEY PUSH EM! THEN THEY STOP PUSHING THEM! THEN THEY START EM OVER! AND THEN THEY F*** YOU OVER FOR THE BIGGER FISH! LIKE RANDY ORTON, CHRIS JERICHO, KANE, DANIEL BRYAN, AND HELL, EVEN RYBACK, OF ALL PEOPLE! AND WORST OF ALL.........John Cena......I thought Cena was my friend, But NO! HE CHEATED ON ME WITH MY EX-GIRLFRIEND EVE TORRES, THEN PROCEEDED TO RUIN MY CAREER!, Now, Do you know what i'm gonna do?</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: *Sigh* What?</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: I'M GONNA TELL MR. MCMAHON AND JOHN CENA TO GET THEIR ASSES OUT HERE AND GIVE THEM PIECE OF MY F***ING MIND!</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: That's great, But there's one problem, Security?!</p><p> </p><p> *Tons of Funk and The Great Khali come out*</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: *angry, kicks Khali in the nuts and nearly kills Tons of Funk* WHERE ARE YOU VINNY? WHERE ARE YOU JOHNNY?.........WHERE ARE YOU?!</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Oh dear.......</p><p> </p><p> *Vince McMahon and John Cena come out*</p><p> </p><p> Vince McMahon: Ryder, I understand you're mad but-</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: NO! YOU LISTEN TO ME!, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING PUSHED AROUND BY YOUR BASTARDS YOU CALL YOUR CASH COWS, I AM DONE WITH BEING PUSHED AROUND BY LITTLE BASTARDS, AND I AM DONE BEING YOUR PUPPET!</p><p> </p><p> John Cena: Ryder! Ryder! Calm down man!</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: NO!, I WILL NOT CALM DOWN! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MY FRIEND! *Cena tries to comfort him but............GETS SLAPPED BY ZACK RYDER!* WE WERE NEVER FRIENDS! NEVER!</p><p> </p><p> John Cena: Okay, I didn't want to do this but..........You forced me too, *Attitude Adjustments Zack Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> Vince McMahon: Well, Some day on the job isn't it?</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: O_o.</p><p> </p><p> Curtis Axel: *Perfect Plexes Zack Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> Drew McIntyre: *Future Shocks Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> Jinder Mahal: *Camel Clutch Slams Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> Heath Slater: *Smash Hits Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> JTG: *Da Shout Outs Ryder*</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: OH COME ON! JTG NEVER GETS TO DO HIS FINISHING MOVE!</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: YOU KNOW WHAT? FINE! IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO TREAT ME THEN..............THEN I QUIT! *runs off, bursting into tears*</p><p> </p><p> Real Zack Ryder: Hey guys, What's up?</p><p> </p><p> John Cena: .........Uuuh, Okay, I'm confused, Didn't Ryder quit?</p><p> </p><p> Real Zack Ryder: Quit?.....Noooooooo?, Hey John.</p><p> </p><p> John Cena: Hey Ryder.</p><p> </p><p> Jacob Jones: Wait, If you're Ryder, Then who was..................Oh, I know who............CODY, RHODES!</p><p> </p><p> Cody Rhodes: Ok, Fine, You caught me, BIG WHOOP! *takes off the Ryder outfit* It was still pretty damn fun wasn't it?............*Angry glares from everyone* Uh........Guys?........*Gets hit by everyone's finishing move*</p><p> </p><p> Zack Ryder: Now THAT'S how you end a report! And remember, TAKE CARE...........SPIKE YOUR HAIR! *Everyone together now* WOO WOO WOO!.......*Ryder only* You.....know it..................</p><p> </p><p> (And yeah, I know I went too far......again........)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 <p>Dude...seriously...not even commenting on that review.</p><p> </p><p> So, here's something that's been bugging me for weeks now. I know that Dolph and ADR's double turn went well and might take them to big things if the E doesn't screw that, but am I the only one thinking that the execution of the turn didn't make that much sense? I mean, it's not the first time we've seen a face brutally beating up a heel with no regard for his health or any rules, that's usually the moment where the heel gets his punishment. Dozens of times I've seen faces do this...like HBK beating Y2J so much that the match had to be stopped, and he didn't turn heel because of it. Jericho was just getting what he deserved. And yet...just because ADR beat the crap out of Ziggy and cut a promo...he turns heel. And Ziggler who was actually deserving such a beating after all he did to Del Rio, turns face. What gives? I know that Del Rio executed the thing damn well, with proper heel manerisms and a promo after the match....but to me it doesn't make any sense. They could have done it in any other way. Like putting that same exact match, and after the match was over, Del Rio would continue to kick the living crap out of Ziggler, really trying to injure him, hurt him even more, even using weapons, going beyond the point of "getting his revenge" and hitting that moment where we would actually feel sorry for Ziggler, thus making it a perfect double turn. And then he could cut his promo like he did.</p><p> Did they achieve a good turn? sure...but even I, a pro wrestling fan, used to the most ridiculous turns, can't wrap my head around the fact that a heel getting what he deserves is now a turn. I'm glad it went well, I'm glad they executed it perfectly, having in mind what they had to work with, but am I the only one thinking that is not the best way to handle a turn on a storyline like that one?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 What exactly did Ziggler do to Del Rio that compares to Michaels vs Y2J? Plus this is Ziggler returning a litle arrogant from a publicized concussion and ADR is trying to legitimately put him out of action and attacking the head even through Del Rio's finisher is a cross-arm breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakerNGN74 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 @Russelrules44 Dude, if you are not going to take people's advice about tightening your reviews and actually making them make sense than PLEASE STOP DOING THEM. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Dude...seriously...not even commenting on that review. So, here's something that's been bugging me for weeks now. I know that Dolph and ADR's double turn went well and might take them to big things if the E doesn't screw that, but am I the only one thinking that the execution of the turn didn't make that much sense? I mean, it's not the first time we've seen a face brutally beating up a heel with no regard for his health or any rules, that's usually the moment where the heel gets his punishment. Dozens of times I've seen faces do this...like HBK beating Y2J so much that the match had to be stopped, and he didn't turn heel because of it. Jericho was just getting what he deserved. And yet...just because ADR beat the crap out of Ziggy and cut a promo...he turns heel. And Ziggler who was actually deserving such a beating after all he did to Del Rio, turns face. What gives? I know that Del Rio executed the thing damn well, with proper heel manerisms and a promo after the match....but to me it doesn't make any sense. They could have done it in any other way. Like putting that same exact match, and after the match was over, Del Rio would continue to kick the living crap out of Ziggler, really trying to injure him, hurt him even more, even using weapons, going beyond the point of "getting his revenge" and hitting that moment where we would actually feel sorry for Ziggler, thus making it a perfect double turn. And then he could cut his promo like he did. Did they achieve a good turn? sure...but even I, a pro wrestling fan, used to the most ridiculous turns, can't wrap my head around the fact that a heel getting what he deserves is now a turn. I'm glad it went well, I'm glad they executed it perfectly, having in mind what they had to work with, but am I the only one thinking that is not the best way to handle a turn on a storyline like that one? Ziggler was getting stale as a heel, and certain crowds have been treating him like a face for a while. ADR for me, is a much better heel character... I like him more as a heel.... Certain people are just more natural heels. Ziggler has shown me on "youtube" that he can have incredible charisma when not live, and even staying in character as a heel on those youtube shows, was very charismatic/natural face. IF he can pull that off live, which is what I'm hoping for, I feel that will be a nice treat for us. So you had a Face that is better as a heel, not really getting over as a face without Swagger and company around. You have a heel that people reacted very strongly too, in a positive way, after winning the Heavyweight Championship. It wasn't hard to do what they did with that.... since ADR was going to be the heel in that match up anyways (no matter if they tried to turn or not). I've been one of Ziggler's worse critics as far as this forum goes, and I can see exactly why, how, and even I was hoping for something similar month's before it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Dude...seriously...not even commenting on that review. So, here's something that's been bugging me for weeks now. I know that Dolph and ADR's double turn went well and might take them to big things if the E doesn't screw that, but am I the only one thinking that the execution of the turn didn't make that much sense? I mean, it's not the first time we've seen a face brutally beating up a heel with no regard for his health or any rules, that's usually the moment where the heel gets his punishment. Dozens of times I've seen faces do this...like HBK beating Y2J so much that the match had to be stopped, and he didn't turn heel because of it. Jericho was just getting what he deserved. And yet...just because ADR beat the crap out of Ziggy and cut a promo...he turns heel. And Ziggler who was actually deserving such a beating after all he did to Del Rio, turns face. What gives? I know that Del Rio executed the thing damn well, with proper heel manerisms and a promo after the match....but to me it doesn't make any sense. They could have done it in any other way. Like putting that same exact match, and after the match was over, Del Rio would continue to kick the living crap out of Ziggler, really trying to injure him, hurt him even more, even using weapons, going beyond the point of "getting his revenge" and hitting that moment where we would actually feel sorry for Ziggler, thus making it a perfect double turn. And then he could cut his promo like he did. Did they achieve a good turn? sure...but even I, a pro wrestling fan, used to the most ridiculous turns, can't wrap my head around the fact that a heel getting what he deserves is now a turn. I'm glad it went well, I'm glad they executed it perfectly, having in mind what they had to work with, but am I the only one thinking that is not the best way to handle a turn on a storyline like that one? It was brilliant, IMO because it was unexpected and they were savvy enough to use the smark crowd to their advantage. And Ziggler retaining as a heel against face Del Rio would have ended the feud too soon. Ziggler's still a tweener in the process of turning. As for the match itself, even I was wincing at all the head-shots, knowing Ziggler had just recovered from a legit concussion. Certainly one of the better turns in recent history (Bryan turning heel a couple of years ago was another favorite of mine). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 It was brilliant, IMO because it was unexpected and they were savvy enough to use the smark crowd to their advantage. And Ziggler retaining as a heel against face Del Rio would have ended the feud too soon. Ziggler's still a tweener in the process of turning. As for the match itself, even I was wincing at all the head-shots, knowing Ziggler had just recovered from a legit concussion. Certainly one of the better turns in recent history (Bryan turning heel a couple of years ago was another favorite of mine). I think I get it, but it's not really nothing to get. For a while now there has been part of the IWC trying to figure out things that aren't really hard to figure out, because they are over-thinking everything. I remember Arrows had a few posts like it as well. In a nut shell some people don't get this one fact as far as Professional Wrestling goes (or even comic books go). This is what they don't get: If a heel wins by cheating = Bad. If a face wins by cheating = Good. If a heel trash talks a face = Bad. If a face trash talks a heel = Good. For some reason these facts are hard to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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milamber Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 <p>Smackdown Highlights:</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Sheamus vs Sandow</strong> - Strong Dublin-themed street fight with some brutal looking spots. And it was only the opening match!</p><p> <strong>AJ vs Natalya</strong> - Started with Kaitlyn taking the mickey out of AJ. Natalya stole the pin while AJ was distracted, then Kaitlyn speared her.</p><p> <strong><strong>WHC MITB</strong></strong><strong> match revealed</strong> - Barrett, Swagger, Cesaro, Fandango, Rhodes, Sandow -- Teddy's pitch to Vince about pushing new talent along with a nice dig at Booker T.</p><p> <strong>Kane vs Orton</strong> - Good match. Bryan was incredible on commentary and the cheeky half-smile after "accidentally" costing Kane the match was priceless.</p><p> <strong>Gabriel vs Ryback</strong> - Gabriel got in a bit of offense before losing. Jericho came out to humiliate Cryback.</p><p> <strong>Shield vs Christian/Usos</strong> - Decent tag match with some fun spots. Christian pinned Ambrose after a spear -- kudos to the booking team for making Shield look beatable but not weak.</p><p> <strong>Fiesta Del Rio</strong> - Standard stuff. Ricardo was the star here, taking a table bump and a guitar to the head from Ziggler after ADR escaped.</p><p> </p><p> Verdict: Must-see Smackdown. 3 quality matches and strong storyline progression.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt="270454_550372865004291_309803648_n.jpg" data-src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/270454_550372865004291_309803648_n.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><span>http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/378/999/SD_723_Photo_185_crop_north.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Dude...seriously...not even commenting on that review.<p> </p><p> So, here's something that's been bugging me for weeks now. I know that Dolph and ADR's double turn went well and might take them to big things if the E doesn't screw that, but am I the only one thinking that the execution of the turn didn't make that much sense? I mean, it's not the first time we've seen a face brutally beating up a heel with no regard for his health or any rules, that's usually the moment where the heel gets his punishment. Dozens of times I've seen faces do this...like HBK beating Y2J so much that the match had to be stopped, and he didn't turn heel because of it. Jericho was just getting what he deserved. And yet...just because ADR beat the crap out of Ziggy and cut a promo...he turns heel. And Ziggler who was actually deserving such a beating after all he did to Del Rio, turns face. What gives? I know that Del Rio executed the thing damn well, with proper heel manerisms and a promo after the match....but to me it doesn't make any sense. They could have done it in any other way. Like putting that same exact match, and after the match was over, Del Rio would continue to kick the living crap out of Ziggler, really trying to injure him, hurt him even more, even using weapons, going beyond the point of "getting his revenge" and hitting that moment where we would actually feel sorry for Ziggler, thus making it a perfect double turn. And then he could cut his promo like he did.</p><p> Did they achieve a good turn? sure...but even I, a pro wrestling fan, used to the most ridiculous turns, can't wrap my head around the fact that a heel getting what he deserves is now a turn. I'm glad it went well, I'm glad they executed it perfectly, having in mind what they had to work with, but am I the only one thinking that is not the best way to handle a turn on a storyline like that one?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Good question! The biggest reason it worked was that ADR was going after Ziggler's head so soon after a legit head injury. While a babyface can certainly beat up a heel plenty without turning, focusing on an existing injury is a heel move. Also, as mentioned, crowds will tolerate the babyface going "too far" when it's related to a major feud escalation. Cena can't put Ryback through an ambulance the first time Ryback brings out the ambulance, it has to be the pay-off to Ryback putting Cena through the stage the month before. Ziggler cashed in and won the belt from ADR, but didn't really do anything else to antagonize him, and disappearing for a month is about the most babyface thing he could do. Finally, the crowd wanted the turn- ADR is a natural heel and Ziggler is a natural heel who's so good he's been getting cheers at ppvs for what, years now?</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djfunkthechris" data-cite="djfunkthechris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think I get it, but it's not really nothing to get.<p> </p><p> For a while now there has been part of the IWC trying to figure out things that aren't really hard to figure out, because they are over-thinking everything. I remember Arrows had a few posts like it as well.</p><p> </p><p> In a nut shell some people don't get this one fact as far as Professional Wrestling goes (or even comic books go). This is what they don't get:</p><p> </p><p> If a heel wins by cheating = Bad.</p><p> If a face wins by cheating = Good.</p><p> If a heel trash talks a face = Bad.</p><p> If a face trash talks a heel = Good.</p><p> </p><p> For some reason these facts are hard to understand.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Except ADR didn't win by cheating... Ziggler did by cashing in when he did. The reason the turn worked is that Ziggler was able to generate sympathy due to his real injury and ability to sell everything like death, along with the crowd's natural inclination. </p><p> </p><p> So maybe there is something to "get."</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Except ADR didn't win by cheating... Ziggler did by cashing in when he did. The reason the turn worked is that Ziggler was able to generate sympathy due to his real injury and ability to sell everything like death, along with the crowd's natural inclination. So maybe there is something to "get." That was already said though, in the quote I quoted... Did you miss it? I was talking about something along the same lines that I've been seeing going on lately. People look at what the face does, even The Rock... and think "How is that being a face? He is making fun and bullying the heel! He should be getting boo's, not cheers!" That's what I was talking about, which is along the same lines of "I don't get why he had to be a heel, he was only doing the same thing Ziggler did to him." Essentially asking the same type of question, when it's obvious "why", as you pointed out again. There is nothing to "get" in the sense that I don't believe people aren't "getting it". They aren't seeing something everyone else didn't see, and in this case the commentator even mentioned it almost in the same exact way. It's just something I've been noticing. I honestly don't believe that people aren't getting it. You can't have been a wrestling fan as long as most claim, and act like you haven't seen such a thing over and over and over again. They probably won't say anything about Jericho seemingly bullying around Ryback though, however let it have been Cena, I bet that would be a point of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Just finishes watching Smackdown. Pretty decent show. Man, do Sheamus and Sandow know how to beat the hell out of each other or what! They don't even need a "Dublin Street Fight", they make rest holds look painful. they really do have something going together as I've seen them in quite a few matches that have impressed me. Very old school brawl vibe to their matches. Very fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 <p>The one team I was really looking forward to was the British Ambition from NXT. You had the high flyinf Adrian Neville or Pac who played the part of firey babyface perfectly and Oliver Grey or Joel Redman who provided the technical ability and the more calm approach. Plus while Neville is not bad on the mic he is hard to understand. Oliver on the other hand had a perfect classy british accent. Both of them were British yet they were aso complete opposites. Sadly Grey ended up tearing his ACL after winning the NXT tag titles. Now Adrian doesn't much of a direction apart from being the third member against the Wyatt Family and the one who takes the loss. </p><p> </p><p> They could have easily been a clear babyface tag team and along with the Usos, PTP and The Shield could have led the tag team division. Hopefully Oliver recovers soon and they are able to return. They would be great champions. Hell I even made some wallpaper to prove it.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/ricky696119/BritishAmbition_zpsebcd4859.jpg</span></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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