The Official WWE / NXT Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="petecrimson00" data-cite="petecrimson00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I knew RVD was gonna win with a flash pin, but of course he is just too damn cool to do a normal roll up <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He hass those educated feet after all</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They can't fire EVERYONE. There'd be no show. If EVERYONE walked to that ring, they'd be left with: Trips, Orton, Axel, Brock, Heyman, Cena, Bryan, Punk, and The SHIELD. What exactly are they gonna do?<p> </p><p> They also can't punish EVERYONE, the SHIELD isn't that tough.</p><p> </p><p> All they have to do is decide to fight, and they win.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> There was a story line when HHH first tried to take over, relieving Vince. Everyone left in a walk out... There was only like Punk, HHH, Sheamus and Cena (I think...). I don't remember exactly, but was less then you just listed. No bell ringer, no commentators, no referee... so Sheamus and Cena have a match with HHH as the ref and Punk (getting double pay) as both Commentator and Bell ringer (and got to wear Triple H's Blazer).</p><p> </p><p> The angle actually lasted a good while, I think half an hour or so, but Vince come back and gave control to Laurinitis (temporary). I think they sort of expect us to remember his willingness to do a show, no matter who doesn't show up. </p><p> </p><p> Then there is the obvious, that no one has talked about it (at least not on air) to get everyone on the same side, which obviously is NOT going to happen since most of the "bad" guys are going to be happy with the situation at hand (since they all more or less hate DB).</p><p> </p><p> I figure they want everyone to think exactly what you said though.... "Why don't they all do it, surely he can't fire all of them!" Ruffle are feathers a bit.</p><p> </p><p> The biggest thing though, and I know this won't really sink in as much as I would like it too... But the biggest thing is that they know you know this is all Entertainment, so if they want everyone to be scared of losing their jobs, that is exactly what everyone is going to do, and although the angle is definitely done to elicit a reaction from the crowd and us watching at home, we know that it's all in the name of Entertainment, and DB will end up going over at the end of this thing.</p><p> </p><p> My only thought about this story line was, you know what... This isn't a Randy Orton vs Daniel Bryan Feud. This is a Daniel Bryan vs Triple H feud, with Triple H having pawns in The Shield and Randy Orton (or "tool"). Guess they aren't as confident in Randy as I thought they were.</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>Why for the love of all that is holy is Vince trying to recycle the El Matador gimmick?</p><p> </p><p>

It did not work when they gave it to Tito Santana twenty years ago, what the hell makes him think it will work now?</p>

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why for the love of all that is holy is Vince trying to recycle the El Matador gimmick?<p> </p><p> I did not work when they gave it to Tito Santana twenty years ago, what the hell makes him think it will work now?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Primo and Epico haven't done anything of importane in a long time. A goofy fun gimmicky jobber tag team is better than a bland jobber tag team.</p><p> </p><p> Plus they could be good opponents for The Real Americans.</p>

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Primo and Epico haven't done anything of importane in a long time. A goofy fun gimmicky jobber tag team is better than a bland jobber tag team.<p> </p><p> Plus they could be good opponents for The Real Americans.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> True but why couldn't he just bust out the Conquistadores gimmick for them?<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Granted we wouldn't know it is them, but it would be better than having them pretend to be bull fighters.</p><p> </p><p> I remember when I was a kid I was a huge Tito fan and then they stuck him with that lame gimmick and I just stopped being a Tito fan.</p>

[djthefunkchris]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>True but why couldn't he just bust out the Conquistadores gimmick for them?<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Granted we wouldn't know it is them, but it would be better than having them pretend to be bull fighters.<p> </p><p> I remember when I was a kid I was a huge Tito fan and then they stuck him with that lame gimmick and I just stopped being a Tito fan.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just because.... I say, Hire Tito to be their Manager!! That would be totally awesome!!<img alt=":cool:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/cool.png.f00d2562b2c1d873a09323753efdb041.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Greylocke]

They can't fire EVERYONE. There'd be no show. If EVERYONE walked to that ring, they'd be left with: Trips, Orton, Axel, Brock, Heyman, Cena, Bryan, Punk, and The SHIELD. What exactly are they gonna do?

 

They also can't punish EVERYONE, the SHIELD isn't that tough.

 

All they have to do is decide to fight, and they win.

 

 

You can pretty much ask the same question every time a big evil stable is in charge. Why didn't everyone just gang up on the evil McMahon and is Corporation back in the Attitude Era? Why didn't the whole roster unite against Vickie Guerrero and La Familia? Heck, why didn't the whole roster just get together and beat up the Shield for the last few months? Why were there never more than 3 guys getting together to fight them at the same time? I think history has told us that wrestlers for the most part are a self-centred bunch and it takes a lot for several of them to get together for a common cause.

 

Actually, a very simple explanation in this case would be that most of the wrestlers don't even care that much about Daniel Bryan anyway. Daniel Bryan's character hasn't really been the most sociable guy. I mean, his best pal was Kane (who wasn't around on RAW), and even Kane couldn't stand him half the time! I really don't think half the roster cares enough about him to risk antagonising the boss. Yes, it was an injustice, but if the good guys are running out to help every time someone is in need we'll be seeing random run-ins in 90% of the matches and angles in wrestling.

[akujy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can pretty much ask the same question every time a big evil stable is in charge. Why didn't everyone just gang up on the evil McMahon and is Corporation back in the Attitude Era? Why didn't the whole roster unite against Vickie Guerrero and La Familia? Heck, why didn't the whole roster just get together and beat up the Shield for the last few months? Why were there never more than 3 guys getting together to fight them at the same time? I think history has told us that wrestlers for the most part are a self-centred bunch and it takes a lot for several of them to get together for a common cause. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> Actually, a very simple explanation in this case would be that most of the wrestlers don't even care that much about Daniel Bryan anyway. Daniel Bryan's character hasn't really been the most sociable guy. I mean, his best pal was Kane (who wasn't around on RAW), and even Kane couldn't stand him half the time! I really don't think half the roster cares enough about him to risk antagonising the boss. Yes, it was an injustice, but if the good guys are running out to help every time someone is in need we'll be seeing random run-ins in 90% of the matches and angles in wrestling.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You guys are over thinking this. It's like in the RW, when your boss is an evil dictator and there is no union to defend you. You can try and do a strike, or you can go to work and accept his evilness. People would only need to stop working and they wouldn't be able to fire everyone. That is not what happens most of the time. People have to feed their wife and kids.</p>

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They can't fire EVERYONE. There'd be no show. If EVERYONE walked to that ring, they'd be left with: Trips, Orton, Axel, Brock, Heyman, Cena, Bryan, Punk, and The SHIELD. What exactly are they gonna do?<p> </p><p> They also can't punish EVERYONE, the SHIELD isn't that tough.</p><p> </p><p> All they have to do is decide to fight, and they win.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> While that logic rings true, there's the fact Triple H could still collectively make each of their lives within the WWE a living hell, if they choose to defy his wishes. Even if they revolt en masse, he doesn't have to fire them, there could be ways to punish them all, one by one. And having The Shield on his corner emphasizes just that.</p><p> </p><p> Given with the numerous past storylines others mentioned, even looking at it kayfabe-wise, WWE superstars won't waste their whole time having each other's backs. They gotta spend their time climbing the ladder. WWE is a jungle in that respect, that as a superstar, in the end you have to fend for yourself.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="djthefunkchris" data-cite="djthefunkchris" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> My only thought about this story line was, you know what... This isn't a Randy Orton vs Daniel Bryan Feud. This is a Daniel Bryan vs Triple H feud, with Triple H having pawns in The Shield and Randy Orton (or "tool"). Guess they aren't as confident in Randy as I thought they were.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> They are confident in him, it's just that doing it in a Bryan vs. HHH manner elevates Bryan that much more on the top star platform. Having the underdog babyface chase the title AND confront the power-hungry authority, that's where the real money's at.</p>

[Killagy]

I really gotta say that I haven't really found anything much from the women's division to get worked up positive lately, but whenever I do it always seems to be AJ-related. Hell of a promo she did last night, and the crowd seemed to completely forget her heel status and started chanting her name! Who wouldn't though, everything she said concerning "reality-tv shows" goes right along with the general opinion of the average joe. I admit, I do find "Total Divas" interesting at times as it gives us a glimpse at a side of the female performers we don't normally see, but it's hard to shake away from the negative and trashy stigma almost all "reality-tv shows" have these days. I personally hope it gets scrapped eventually, it's no where near trashy-status yet, but looking at the track record of other shows I say it's only a matter of time. Not that it'd hurt the WWE's reputation much, but the Divas' involved would have a lot to lose if something were to go awry.

[panix04]

I actually thought all that last angle on RAW achieved was making three guys who could potentially help fill in the hole left by John Cena look like wimps who are scared of a guy in a suit and taking the guy most likely to fill Cena's hole and have him get beaten up, all the while whilst making HHH look like a genius - frustrating booking. Such a shame as all it would have taken is one babyface to try and run in and help DB out and the guy would have received a massive boost. It had the making of a good angle, but instead just left me frustrated. But then, I guess that's what it was trying to achieve. I'm just disappointed there isn't a face on the roster who is being booked as having "stones"!

[Rickymex]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="panix04" data-cite="panix04" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually thought all that last angle on RAW achieved was making three guys who could potentially help fill in the hole left by John Cena look like wimps who are scared of a guy in a suit and taking the guy most likely to fill Cena's hole and have him get beaten up, all the while whilst making HHH look like a genius - frustrating booking. Such a shame as all it would have taken is one babyface to try and run in and help DB out and the guy would have received a massive boost. It had the making of a good angle, but instead just left me frustrated. But then, I guess that's what it was trying to achieve. I'm just disappointed there isn't a face on the roster who is being booked as having "stones"!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If they had made the beating by the Shield on the past RAW more vicious on Ziggler and Show you could say it was out of fear of what the Shield with Triple H's approval could do but the Triple Powerbomb doesn't remove guys for a week or so. Still like to see the Shield show that they are fine with working with Triple H but that if Triple H goes too fast they will betray him. Shield > Money > Justice.</p>

[20LEgend]

<p>I think the idea was last night to plant that frustration and the idea no-one will help and hopefully when somebody does finally stand up it will be a big thing. This week's story showed the effectiveness of Triple H's intimidation tactics, without that this week you haven't establish just how strong the 'regime' is. Now should somebody stand up in subsequent weeks it will seem bigger I think. If it would've happened this week I think it could have undermined the power they're building up of Triple H (that needs to be kept strong as the 'oppressor') where as if it comes in a week or two they've stood up to something that appears much solider having been shown to be strong for a few weeks. This weeks is building it up, it showed how much Big Show wanted to help but couldn't <span style="font-size:8px;">(iron clad contract aside)</span> and how much people want to speak out but can't, which in turn will make more of an impact when somebody finally decided enough is enough and stands up to them. I hope.</p><p> </p><p>

Either way to me this is just about building up the power of the heels, making them look strong so that the eventually rebellion has more impact and seems like a big thing rather than giving the impression of "HHH and Orton weren't that tough after all, only took a few guys to stand up to them". They all love the WWE so don't want to lose their jobs, but eventually it will get too much. As long as there is a pay off eventually I wouldn't worry just yet, they're just doing something long-term rather so just doing it all in one week as I see it. The focus is on Bryan at the moment, Ziggler/Big Show or whoever will get their shine eventually I'm sure, or at least that's how it seems to be shaping up.</p>

[panix04]

I hope you are right - I'm just narked that it's another Ziggler knock! It's seemingly not just Billy Gunn's signature look that Ziggler has taken on, but his inexplicable lack of a push too!

[Tha Black Phenom]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Killagy" data-cite="Killagy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I really gotta say that I haven't really found anything much from the women's division to get worked up positive lately, but whenever I do it always seems to be AJ-related. Hell of a promo she did last night, and the crowd seemed to completely forget her heel status and started chanting her name! Who wouldn't though, everything she said concerning "reality-tv shows" goes right along with the general opinion of the average joe. I admit, I do find "Total Divas" interesting at times as it gives us a glimpse at a side of the female performers we don't normally see, but it's hard to shake away from the negative and trashy stigma almost all "reality-tv shows" have these days. I personally hope it gets scrapped eventually, it's no where near trashy-status yet, but looking at the track record of other shows I say it's only a matter of time. Not that it'd hurt the WWE's reputation much, but the Divas' involved would have a lot to lose if something were to go awry.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> AJ's "pipebomb" was pretty cool.</p>

[Killagy]

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE7i0xQgakw" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE7i0xQgakw</a></p><p> </p><p>

When AJ was talking about it out-loud on RAW, I was thinking to myself that she would not go to the lengths that a Punk or Rock would. She’s a Diva, and they never do that sort of thing. But I was wrong, happily wrong however.</p><p> </p><p>

I managed to get the promo, in its entirety written out. So take a look at what AJ said:</p><p> </p><p>

“Do you want to know what I see when I look in that ring? Honestly? A bunch of cheap, interchangeable, expendable, useless women. Women who have turned to reality television, because they just weren’t gifted enough to be actresses. And they just weren’t talented enough to be champion. I have saved your divas division, I have shattered glass ceilings, I have broken down doors. </p><p> </p><p>

Why? So a bunch of ungrateful, stiff plastic mannequins can waltz on through without even as much as a ‘Thank You’?! You guys can’t even go backstage, and shake my hand and look me in the eye because you know that I worked my entire life to get here. I gave my life to this, and you were just handed fifteen minutes of fame. </p><p> </p><p>

I didn’t get here because I was cute, or because I came from some famous wrestling family, or because I ‘sucked’ up to the right people. I got here because I am good. I earned this championship. No matter how many red carpets you guys want to walk, in your four-thousand dollar ridiculous heels, you will never be able to lace up my Chuck Taylor’s. You are all worthless excuses for women, and you will never be able to touch me. And that is reality.”</p><p> </p><p>

Was it the best Diva promo ever? That’s tough to say really. I know I have trouble saying it was. To say that it was one of the best Diva promos ever would be accurate, because it sure as hell was. Punk, Foley, and even Kaitlyn have taken to Twitter praising te "Pipebombshell". I'm interested in how the creative team will follow-up on this.</p>

[Arrows]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can pretty much ask the same question every time a big evil stable is in charge. Why didn't everyone just gang up on the evil McMahon and is Corporation back in the Attitude Era? Why didn't the whole roster unite against Vickie Guerrero and La Familia? Heck, why didn't the whole roster just get together and beat up the Shield for the last few months? Why were there never more than 3 guys getting together to fight them at the same time? I think history has told us that wrestlers for the most part are a self-centred bunch and it takes a lot for several of them to get together for a common cause. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Corporation had the Union. Not the most talented bunch to stand up, but a group did in fact come together to stand up. Anything Vickie did was too much of a joke to honestly need serious handling. Her most dangerous points in charge, her man had to contend with Taker. He didn't need help. 3 men against The Shield is fair. More baby faces jump on them and they start to look like the bad guys for using numbers.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Greylocke" data-cite="Greylocke" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually, a very simple explanation in this case would be that most of the wrestlers don't even care that much about Daniel Bryan anyway. Daniel Bryan's character hasn't really been the most sociable guy. I mean, his best pal was Kane (who wasn't around on RAW), and even Kane couldn't stand him half the time! I really don't think half the roster cares enough about him to risk antagonising the boss. Yes, it was an injustice, but if the good guys are running out to help every time someone is in need we'll be seeing random run-ins in 90% of the matches and angles in wrestling.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You're talking about a group of men who travel the country PROMOTING NOT BEING BULLIES AND STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. To then turn around and do the exact opposite spits on the entire campaign and makes it look exactly like the joke it's been since they started it. How can ANYONE who stood on that stage on RAW now go to ANY school and speak to kids about the Be A STAR campaign? They've lost all credibility.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="panix04" data-cite="panix04" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually thought all that last angle on RAW achieved was making three guys who could potentially help fill in the hole left by John Cena look like wimps who are scared of a guy in a suit and taking the guy most likely to fill Cena's hole and have him get beaten up, all the while whilst making HHH look like a genius - frustrating booking. Such a shame as all it would have taken is one babyface to try and run in and help DB out and the guy would have received a massive boost. It had the making of a good angle, but instead just left me frustrated. But then, I guess that's what it was trying to achieve. I'm just disappointed there isn't a face on the roster who is being booked as having "stones"!</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just wait 4-6 months. No one other than Cena's allowed to be the hero.</p>

[panix04]

<p>yeah AJ's promo was pretty damn good. The content was excellent (Im assuming it was written for her) the delivery was far above average for a diva but i'm not sure she ranks up there with the better talkers on the male side of the roster, despite being head and shoulders above every other diva.</p><p> </p><p>

In other related news I loved the Wyatt family's segment on RAW. I want an audiobook read by Bray Wyatt! He's got such a great grasp of how to use language evocatively - not sure if he's responsible for the content, which itself is pretty cool, but his delivery of it is superb.</p>

[panix04]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Just wait 4-6 months. No one other than Cena's allowed to be the hero.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> QFT</p>

[lazorbeak]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Corporation had the Union. Not the most talented bunch to stand up, but a group did in fact come together to stand up. Anything Vickie did was too much of a joke to honestly need serious handling. Her most dangerous points in charge, her man had to contend with Taker. He didn't need help. 3 men against The Shield is fair. More baby faces jump on them and they start to look like the bad guys for using numbers.<p> </p><p> You're talking about a group of men who travel the country PROMOTING NOT BEING BULLIES AND STANDING UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. To then turn around and do the exact opposite spits on the entire campaign and makes it look exactly like the joke it's been since they started it. How can ANYONE who stood on that stage on RAW now go to ANY school and speak to kids about the Be A STAR campaign? They've lost all credibility.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh <em>now </em>they've lost credibility? Hasn't Sheamus's last 3-4 feuds all involved him bullying smarmy little heels? </p><p> </p><p> And the Union showed up after the Corporation had been around for a year, and was all ex-Corporation members.</p>

[20LEgend]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Corporation had the Union. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not two weeks into the storyline they didn't.</p>

[bigtplaystew]

<p>I used to be super cynical about this stuff but my GF is a teacher and kind of rationalized alot of this anti bullying stuff to me. She showed me stats (from actual trade journals not like yahoo.com) and incidents are going down as a whole in the country. As dumb as it may seem to talk to kids about bullying, it seems to be working. At least a little bit.</p><p> </p><p>

So I think the "Be A Star" campaign is more about separating what you see on TV from reality. Because you see a popular superstar hurt someone, that's a TV show and just for "fun". It doesn't make it right to do it to other people. That's the theme of the campaign so it's not really total hypocrisy. Only because they address it lol. A true hypocrit has no idea they are full of it. At least WWE is aware of how silly it is to have a wrestler preach non-violence. They address that sometimes good guys to bad things on their show. But they also address that it's just a TV show. </p><p> </p><p>

Please keep in mind I'm not stupid. I'm aware that the entire inception of the campaign was based around the idea that they are a violent product trying to distance themselves from violence among youth in america. I'm fully aware of how this is advantageous to WWE and the McMahons specifically.</p>

[Jaysin]

They'd be hypocrites if they were actually bullying someone, not PORTRAYING a bully on tv.

 

The way some of you make it sound is that you're under the impression that wrestlers are who they are on screen. It's entertainment, just like any drama, sitcom, movie, or whatever.

[Rickymex]

yeah AJ's promo was pretty damn good. The content was excellent (Im assuming it was written for her) the delivery was far above average for a diva but i'm not sure she ranks up there with the better talkers on the male side of the roster, despite being head and shoulders above every other diva.

 

Especially incredible considering how tiny she is.

 

Was it the best Diva promo ever? That’s tough to say really. I know I have trouble saying it was. To say that it was one of the best Diva promos ever would be accurate, because it sure as hell was. Punk, Foley, and even Kaitlyn have taken to Twitter praising te "Pipebombshell". I'm interested in how the creative team will follow-up on this.

 

The funny thing is that Mick Foley the guy who tortured himself around the world paying his dues wrote a post on facebook about how the Bella Twins have worked hard to become the "Top Divas" is just incredible. Here's the full post:

 

"It's been a memorable Raw; an intense and disturbing physical encounter between Paul Heyman and CM Punk, a tremendous match-up between Christian and Randy Orton..and the looming danger to Orton's new Escalade (which, as of this writing, is still unscathed.) So why is it that I'm writing this post about the Divas division, feeling as if I need to intervene and stick up for Bri and Nikki Bella – two young ladies who seem more than capable of sticking up for themselves?

 

First, before I speak up for the Bellas, how about I acknowledge that AJ Lee delivered one of the finest promos – male or female – that I've seen on Raw in quite a while. That's really saying something, considering that Paul Heyman and CM Punk have been doing some of their finest mic work on the show on a regular basis, and that Daniel Bryan has been (wait, the Escalade just got spray-painted) an absolute joy to watch, as he finds new depth in his persona on an almost weekly basis.

 

Yes, that was an amazing promo by AJ – primarily because she believed every word of it to be true..or at least it seemed that way to this 28 year wrestling veteran. After all, going back to the lessons I learned from Michael PS Hayes, a heel is always at their most believable and frightening and believable when they absolutely believe in their own words and actions. AJ's words were convincing and seem to be the ones being embraced by the WWE Universe. I know many people look at Bri and Nikki and see two beautiful women who have been given their spot in the company due to their beauty and choice in boyfriends.

 

That's not what I see when I look at Bri and Nikki. I see two strong, proud women who walked away from WWE in April 2012 following a legitimate business disagreement with the company. Bri and Nikki wanted to have more say in what they could and could not do outside of WWE. The company disagreed. I know that feeling. I've been there. The Bellas took a stand and walked away. I know that feeling too. But they didn't do it the Mick Foley way – whining and complaining, and (ask Layla about this sometime) even yelling a little bit. They did it the right way. They took a stand, did everything they were asked to do, and left with their heads held high; earning a heightened respect from everyone they dealt with on their way out.

 

And when they returned, they came back with a piece of the puzzle that had been missing from the Divas division. They returned with "Total Divas" – the vehicle the entire Divas division has driven to new heights of acceptance and mainstream recognition. I've often wondered why AJ wasn't part of the show. Obviously, she's a unique character and an extremely talented wrestler. I would have really enjoyed the opportunity to see her outside the ring – to see how much AJ the performer and AJ the character had in common. I could completely understand any hard feelings she might harbor against the Bellas in that regard. But the idea that the Bellas haven't worked for everything they've received is just plain wrong from this Hall of Famer's perspective."

[djthefunkchris]

... Wish you didn't post this as I used to really like Foley. I guess I'll get over it, but he just come off like a "tool" here. I mean, it's like he's saying AJ is just jealous for being left off of Total Divas. I don't think there is anyone I know that wouldn't have rather had AJ on the show then any two others that are currently on it (including the Bellas).