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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Mammoth explain "real or fake" lol. You kinda sound like "it either is or it isn't... either way I'm right"</div></blockquote><p> xD What I mean is it's either real; it's exactly how it sounds, Punk has finally thrown his dummy out of the pram and quit. Or it's fake; what with the script changing last minute, Punk saw he wasn't needed so went home. There was no falling out. Punk hasn't quit. Basically what happened was someone saw Punk leave, realised he wasn't on Raw and put two and two together to make five, completely blowing it out of all proportion. When I say "fake" I don't mean it's a work, I simply mean the whole thing didn't actually happen, at least not how it's being reported.</p>
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Seems like an interesting day at WWE offices. Just looking now and WWE share prices have currently fallen by 2.64% since start of trade this morning when the whole CM Punk story came out.

 

Looks like its having an effect on the market value. in fact just refreshed while typing these and its now at -2.82%. To be expected with a top star possible quitting. enjoying following along with this story so far.

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Seems like an interesting day at WWE offices. Just looking now and WWE share prices have currently fallen by 2.64% since start of trade this morning when the whole CM Punk story came out.

 

Looks like its having an effect on the market value. in fact just refreshed while typing these and its now at -2.82%. To be expected with a top star possible quitting. enjoying following along with this story so far.

 

Might not be a bad time to buy as the network will surely see that stock boom up.

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<p>Anyone who thinks this is a work couldn't be anymore delusional. </p><p> </p><p>

If it was a work, there would have been an article up on WWE in minutes saying that Punk was relieved or fired by the Authority, or that he left because of their shenanigans.</p><p> </p><p>

This isn't a work, Punk has been fed up with the direction of this company for a long time, starting when The Rock came back and was given everything on a silver platter.</p><p> </p><p>

Once Punk realized he wouldn't be main eventing Wrestlemania (Seeing as how that's the last thing he wanted to accomplish in his career) and that Batista would now get to headline after being absent from 4 years, against a man that is genuinely hated by wrestling fans, not just for storyline purposes in Randy Orton, it was time to go.</p><p> </p><p>

I'm pretty sure the straw that broke the camels back was him finding out that his Wrestlemania program would probably be an opening match against Kane. I for one don't blame him for leaving, and while it's sad to see him go, he was grossly misused over the past year or so, and he deserves much better as a performer who can literally do it all.</p><p> </p><p>

So all you guys with your, "It's a work" talk need a real reality check when it comes to this business.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might not be a bad time to buy as the network will surely see that stock boom up.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just because I feel like talking about stock.</p><p> </p><p> The market has reacted to the network already (and is continuing to do so). The stock price could continue to rise if the network does better than expected (or people think the network will do better than currently expected/or other factors such as TV deals), but the price already reflects the fact that the network will be launched.</p><p> </p><p> The stock price is the highest it has been in over ten years, and the value doubled in 2013, due to expectations surrounding bigger TV deals when they are re-negotiated. </p><p> </p><p> <span>http://snag.gy/kFF5c.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> As I said the price could continue to rise, but the price definitely seems close to a peak right now. And while I feel Punk leaving could have had an effect on the price, I think some investors probably recognize the price is high right now and are cashing out.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="PGHJuice" data-cite="PGHJuice" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone who thinks this is a work couldn't be anymore delusional. <p> </p><p> If it was a work, there would have been an article up on WWE in minutes saying that Punk was relieved or fired by the Authority, or that he left because of their shenanigans.</p><p> </p><p> This isn't a work, Punk has been fed up with the direction of this company for a long time, starting when The Rock came back and was given everything on a silver platter.</p><p> </p><p> Once Punk realized he wouldn't be main eventing Wrestlemania (Seeing as how that's the last thing he wanted to accomplish in his career) and that Batista would now get to headline after being absent from 4 years, against a man that is genuinely hated by wrestling fans, not just for storyline purposes in Randy Orton, it was time to go.</p><p> </p><p> I'm pretty sure the straw that broke the camels back was him finding out that his Wrestlemania program would probably be an opening match against Kane. I for one don't blame him for leaving, and while it's sad to see him go, he was grossly misused over the past year or so, and he deserves much better as a performer who can literally do it all.</p><p> </p><p> So all you guys with your, "It's a work" talk need a real reality check when it comes to this business.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You know, I remember a situation where Daniel Bryan was fired for supposedly choking out Justin Roberts in an unscripted moment. WWE.com never reported it so all the smart marks ate it up and were arguing with a very familiar vitriol that it was obvious that we'd been dealing with a serious, legit backstage situation. WWE.com wasn't reporting it and the dirt sheets had "inside info" that it was a legit story. The rationale was that there was NO WAY that WWE would allow Danielson back to the indies if he still worked for them.</p><p> </p><p> How'd that turn out?</p><p> </p><p> Or remember the "pipe bomb"? WWE.com didn't report on it for weeks to sell the idea that Punk legitimately hijacked the microphone and spoke off script. "But he mentioned Colt Cabana! WWE would never allow him to do that on TV!"</p><p> </p><p> lol</p><p> </p><p> How'd that turn out?</p><p> </p><p> Just saying it wouldn't be the first worked shoot in Punk's career.</p>
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Actually that turned out how I think this will. DB was in fact fired, he went to the indies for what six months? And when he didn't trash the company and the moment had died down he was brought back. However it wasn't a work and with that they DID talk about him not being with the company on TV. Wade Barrett said they kicked him out the next week. Anyway I don't care if its a work or not having Punk off of my TV is a plus for me I'll take it anyway I can.
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I seriously hope for the love of god that this is indeed a work, he may not be the biggest draw for mainstream or casual fans but for hardcore wrestling fans CM Punk was a fresh breath of alternative air to be had during this era. Really hope we're just being played here. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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<p>Its looking more and more like Punk is indeed gone. If it's true he'll be missed.</p><p> </p><p>

At the very least he still has to wait out his contract and then the non compete even if he did have plans of going anywhere else once he's gone. Truthfully, the only thing I can see him doing is maybe a couple of New Japan tours and that's it.</p>

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<p>I'm calling it right now, it's a work. Trust me, promoters love to work the dirt sheets. Those that know, know.</p><p> </p><p>

As for Bryan when he was "fired," what better way to make it look like he was actually "fired" then to let him work some indy dates? I'm calling it right now, this Punk walk out is a work. Although I won't take bets on whether it is or not because of Murphy's Law. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Hell, I still think it's possible that Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels' rivalry could've been a work the whole time. They even talked about how they were going to work the locker room into thinking there was real heat there, such as when Owen called Bret and said that the boys were shocked he didn't shake Shawn's hand after the Iron Man match, and Bret told him to not let the cat out of the bag and let the boys keep thinking it was real. But then as we know, according to both of them, one thing led to another and it did turn into legit heat. And it may have very well become legit hatred. I'm just saying it wouldn't shock me if it was one huge elaborate work. If it was, my hat's off to them. If not, well I'm certainly not going to complain that they have buried the hatchet as I've always been a huge fan of both of them.</p>

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<p>The Bryan situation was never a work, he was legit fired and brought back after the stuff died down.</p><p> </p><p>

They were likely planning on him being brought back all along, but let's not act like they came up with a plan to have him destroy Cena in the ring, disappear for 4 months, and come back as Cena's handpicked partner</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Bryan situation was never a work, he was legit fired and brought back after the stuff died down.<p> </p><p> They were likely planning on him being brought back all along, but let's not act like they came up with a plan to have him destroy Cena in the ring, disappear for 4 months, and come back as Cena's handpicked partner</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll have to agree to disagree. Trust me, I have seen a promoter first hand talk about how he was going to work Dave Meltzer (totally unrelated to Bryan as this was several years before that) because Meltzer wanted to do an interview with him, but it fell through. Hell, PWI gets worked for their PWI 500. I want to say it was back in 2006, a Texas indy manager named Mike Paige got together with his friends, indy workers Samir and Joey Corman, to come up with some info, took a picture of him looking like a poker player, and coming in at #500 was "Pocket Aces" Paige, who actually never worked a match all year, but PWI ate it up anyway.</p>
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<p>I love how you ignore the fact that Punk's clearly worked shoots before lol. "But Daniel Bryan really WAS fired". And they worked that too...</p><p> </p><p>

So is this a situation where Punk's legitmately leaving and they'll work it in when he comes back? Strong possibility. I would like to note that I brought up the fact that I think it's all a work when the story was hours old. There's more information coming out and I mean I'm not THAT stubborn. It does, at this point, look like he's walking out legit but it wouldn't be the first time the smarks were vehemently arguing by their precious dirt sheets which were also being worked...</p>

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<p>Sometimes being a fan of wrestling on the internet hurts my head. There seems to be a vocal minority (I think) that are calling work on this and that the dirt sheets in this case are no more in the loop than we are. </p><p> </p><p>

However when those same dirt sheets tell us Triple H is evil and holding everyone down and doesn't like this guy or that guy we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us Daniel Bryan is being buried we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us that CM Punk is really gone we DON'T believe it? </p><p> </p><p>

I would have thought people would have learned their lesson from the Royal Rumble. The WWE told us he wasn't in the Rumble, Bryan told us he wasn't in it, the dirt sheets were saying there was never a plan for him to be in it and yet people STILL believed he was going to win it. I think a lot of times internet wrestling fans are actually afraid of being "worked". Same thing happened when Bryan was fired, people didn't want to believe it I'm guessing out of a fear of getting "worked" and now the CM Punk issue is the same way. Instead of coming on here or anywhere and saying "CM Punk you were my favorite wrestler you will be missed" or even "I hate that scumbag" its easier to be in denial of the whole thing so IF it was a work if that 1 percent chance that it was a work is true you could take solice in the the fact that a wrestling program still couldn't "get you". </p><p> </p><p>

My question is for everyone calling work for this. When has it EVER been a work? It wasn't a work when HBK "lost his smile", it wasn't a work when Hart left after Wrestlemania 12, it wasn't a work when Austin walked out in 02, it wasn't a work when Bryan left (see the post above me describing how that would have made zero sense for it to be a work) and this isn't a work. When have we EVER gotten a report on the internet of someone "walking out on tv tapings" via just the dirt sheet. No promo, no wwe.com non sense just simply the Observer saying "this guy left". When has that ever resulted in a work? The answer never and yet for some strange reason this is the ONE story people don't want to accept from the dirt sheets. There could be an article below it about Triple H worshipping Satan and everyone would be like "I knew it" but an outspoken employee who's hurt, not getting featured in a big way, and says he's financially set walking about in frustration? Somehow thats an obvious work...</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You know, I remember a situation where Daniel Bryan was fired for supposedly choking out Justin Roberts in an unscripted moment. WWE.com never reported it so all the smart marks ate it up and were arguing with a very familiar vitriol that it was obvious that we'd been dealing with a serious, legit backstage situation. WWE.com wasn't reporting it and the dirt sheets had "inside info" that it was a legit story. The rationale was that there was NO WAY that WWE would allow Danielson back to the indies if he still worked for them.<p> </p><p> How'd that turn out?</p><p> </p><p> Or remember the "pipe bomb"? WWE.com didn't report on it for weeks to sell the idea that Punk legitimately hijacked the microphone and spoke off script. "But he mentioned Colt Cabana! WWE would never allow him to do that on TV!"</p><p> </p><p> lol</p><p> </p><p> How'd that turn out?</p><p> </p><p> Just saying it wouldn't be the first worked shoot in Punk's career.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> What? Are you even reading what you type at this point? Bryan DID get fired when that happened, wanna know why? Because he choked out a man with his tie on live, national television, when WWE clearly wasn't happy with that after the Chris Benoit incident. He was brought back once the heat died down, so it was in fact, a legit story.</p><p> </p><p> The "pipe bomb" incident was obviously a work, or they would have cut his mic off before he could even utter more than two sentences with the way he started off. Any rational person would know that they allowed him to say those things on TV for storyline purposes.</p><p> </p><p> This isn't anywhere near the same. A man was unhappy with his work environment and he quit, plain and simple. If you wanna spin it, and turn it into some "work" or "shoot", then more power to you. He's gone, he probably won't be back in the foreseeable future, and there is no one to blame but WWE themselves. </p><p> </p><p> The product their running, the people their pushing, the guys their giving the belts to, Punk saw it, didn't like it, and said screw it I'm gone. He was already on edge about not resigning his contract this Summer, but it's gotten so bad he can't even wait that long.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not sure what else you're trying to prove. The examples you used were wrong in the context you presented them. This isn't a work, man. This isn't a shoot, he's gone.</p>
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<p>This is exactly why I don't read dirt sheets. They usually result in something like this:</p><p> </p><p>

"At this stage the plans are for Daniel Bryan to win the title at (Event Name), but those plans may change."</p><p> </p><p>

"The plan is for Shemus to return at (Event Name), but those plans may be out on hold."</p><p> </p><p>

"It looks like the plans for WrestleMania are for The Undertaker to face Brock Lesnar, although this may change as John Cena's name has also been mentioned."</p><p> </p><p>

"It looks like CM Punk has walked out on WWE as off this morning, although this situation may be resolved soon."</p><p> </p><p>

Do you see the pattern in their commitment to not commit? They basically make a living out of telling you what you already assume.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RayW" data-cite="RayW" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>This is exactly why I don't read dirt sheets. They usually result in something like this:<p> </p><p> "At this stage the plans are for Daniel Bryan to win the title at (Event Name), but those plans may change."</p><p> </p><p> "The plan is for Shemus to return at (Event Name), but those plans may be out on hold."</p><p> </p><p> "It looks like the plans for WrestleMania are for The Undertaker to face Brock Lesnar, although this may change as John Cena's name has also been mentioned."</p><p> </p><p> "It looks like CM Punk has walked out on WWE as off this morning, although this situation may be resolved soon."</p><p> </p><p> Do you see the pattern in their commitment to not commit? They basically make a living out of telling you what you already assume.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's pretty much the point I'm trying to make, to NEVER take everything from dirt sheets at face value. I'm not saying anyone here is right or wrong (and I sure hope I haven't come across that way, and if I have, I apologize), I'm just saying, don't take everything at face value. Like my late grandfather always said: "Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see."</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually that turned out how I think this will. DB was in fact fired, he went to the indies for what six months? And when he didn't trash the company and the moment had died down he was brought back. However it wasn't a work and with that they DID talk about him not being with the company on TV. Wade Barrett said they kicked him out the next week. Anyway I don't care if its a work or not having Punk off of my TV is a plus for me I'll take it anyway I can.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah! I hope we can have more Batista time instead! Now that is what everyone wants! We get it, you don't like Punk.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sometimes being a fan of wrestling on the internet hurts my head. There seems to be a vocal minority (I think) that are calling work on this and that the dirt sheets in this case are no more in the loop than we are. <p> </p><p> However when those same dirt sheets tell us Triple H is evil and holding everyone down and doesn't like this guy or that guy we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us Daniel Bryan is being buried we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us that CM Punk is really gone we DON'T believe it? </p><p> </p><p> I would have thought people would have learned their lesson from the Royal Rumble. The WWE told us he wasn't in the Rumble, Bryan told us he wasn't in it, the dirt sheets were saying there was never a plan for him to be in it and yet people STILL believed he was going to win it. I think a lot of times internet wrestling fans are actually afraid of being "worked". Same thing happened when Bryan was fired, people didn't want to believe it I'm guessing out of a fear of getting "worked" and now the CM Punk issue is the same way. Instead of coming on here or anywhere and saying "CM Punk you were my favorite wrestler you will be missed" or even "I hate that scumbag" its easier to be in denial of the whole thing so IF it was a work if that 1 percent chance that it was a work is true you could take solice in the the fact that a wrestling program still couldn't "get you". </p><p> </p><p> My question is for everyone calling work for this. When has it EVER been a work? It wasn't a work when HBK "lost his smile", it wasn't a work when Hart left after Wrestlemania 12, it wasn't a work when Austin walked out in 02, it wasn't a work when Bryan left (see the post above me describing how that would have made zero sense for it to be a work) and this isn't a work. When have we EVER gotten a report on the internet of someone "walking out on tv tapings" via just the dirt sheet. No promo, no wwe.com non sense just simply the Observer saying "this guy left". When has that ever resulted in a work? The answer never and yet for some strange reason this is the ONE story people don't want to accept from the dirt sheets. There could be an article below it about Triple H worshipping Satan and everyone would be like "I knew it" but an outspoken employee who's hurt, not getting featured in a big way, and says he's financially set walking about in frustration? Somehow thats an obvious work...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, this! Stennick said it all in this one. No more words are needed in this subject.</p>
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<p>Tell me a lie, Punk!</p><p> </p><p>

 

</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/NMxr8qI_45w?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Shawn Michaels - Tell Me A Lie {HQ}"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p>

Sorry, couldn't resist bringing some levity to the discussion. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

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<p>As I understand it right now, all that we really know is that apparently at some point on Monday night, Punk walked into Vince's office, mentioned something about going home and then went home.</p><p> </p><p>

From what I can tell, that is the absolute <em>extent</em> of what we know right now. Anything else is supposition. Sure, there's educated guesses we can make based on what's happened before, but for now all we know is that we shouldn't go to any shows expecting to see Punk any time soon.</p><p> </p><p>

Where's the next Raw at? If it's a smarky crowd (or even if it's not - I never had Cleveland pegged for a smark crowd before this week's Raw) you can bet your house there's going to be a whole bunch of 'CM Punk' chants. The WWE might do some dumb stuff on occasions, but I can't think of too many reasons why they'd let one of their top draws (and top merch sellers!) just tear up his contract and walk off right in the runup to Wrestlemania.</p>

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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn michaels 82" data-cite="shawn michaels 82" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah! I hope we can have more Batista time instead! Now that is what everyone wants! We get it, you don't like Punk.<p> </p><p> Yeah, this! Stennick said it all in this one. No more words are needed in this subject.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We ended on a good note in agreeance but I wouldn't be me if I didn't point out the irony of you saying "we get it you don't like Punk" after I said I would enjoy him not being on my TV. Take that feeling when you wrote it and apply it to everytime you say similar things about Cena "We get it you don't like Cena". Not trying to argue it was just funny/ironic that you were on the other side of the eye roll this time. Although I will say that I didn't think I've said anything about not liking Punk but twice. Have I mentioned how overjoyed I am that he's gone though? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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