Jaysin Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 The X-Men movies(owned by Fox) are in a universe by their self. Same with Spider-Man(owned by Sony) and Fantastic Four(owned by Fox). Namor is owned by Universal. None of those movies plots even remotely effect the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The X-Men movies(owned by Fox) are in a universe by their self. Same with Spider-Man(owned by Sony) and Fantastic Four(owned by Fox).<p> </p><p> Namor is owned by Universal. </p><p> </p><p> None of those movies plots even remotely effect the Marvel Cinematic Universe.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wolverine and Spiderman have been apart of the comic book's adaptation of The Avengers for decades. Same with The Thing. Each movie has been a direct adaptation of a comic book story meaning that they could all intertwine with each other in the near future if and since they were comic book story adaptations.</p><p> </p><p> Like for example X-Men's newest movie is based on:</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past</a></p><p> </p><p> Anyways, it's not out of question that they could agree to put Wolverine/Spiderman/The Thing in any of the Avengers sequels. Like I said, Warner Brothers had Bugs Bunny appear on screen with Mickey Mouse in <em>Who Framed Roger Rabbit</em>. These things aren't unheard of even if they are a longshot considering different studios coming together.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wolverine and Spiderman have been apart of the comic book's adaptation of The Avengers for decades. Same with The Thing. Each movie has been a direct adaptation of a comic book story meaning that they could all intertwine with each other in the near future if and since they were comic book story adaptations.<p> </p><p> Like for example X-Men's newest movie is based on:</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past" rel="external nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Future_Past</a></p><p> </p><p> Anyways, it's not out of question that they could agree to put Wolverine/Spiderman/The Thing in any of the Avengers sequels. Like I said, Warner Brothers had Bugs Bunny appear on screen with Mickey Mouse in <em>Who Framed Roger Rabbit</em>. These things aren't unheard of even if they are a longshot considering different studios coming together.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> We aren't talking about the comics, we are talking about the movies. I'm well aware that Spider-Man and Wolverine have been Avengers. But Spider-Man <strong>does not exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe</strong> and neither do the Fantastic Four or X-Men. I'm not saying Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Namor will never be introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it happening anytime remotely soon is an extreme improbability. There is no way to connect the existing Marvel Universe with the existing X-Verse without a whole lot of garbage plot holes. The new Avengers movie has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and they're not mutants and they're not the children of Magneto, but they're still Wanda and Pietro.</p><p> </p><p> Days of Future Past also has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, but they're not Avengers, they're mutants, and they're more than likely the children of Magneto. It was a stretch for Marvel and Fox to agree on that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We aren't talking about the comics, we are talking about the movies. I'm well aware that Spider-Man and Wolverine have been Avengers.<strong> But Spider-Man does not exist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and neither do the Fantastic Four or X-Men.</strong> I'm not saying Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Namor will never be introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but it happening anytime remotely soon is an extreme improbability. There is no way to connect the existing Marvel Universe with the existing X-Verse without a whole lot of garbage plot holes. <strong>The new Avengers movie has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and they're not mutants and they're not the children of Magneto, but they're still Wanda and Pietro.</strong><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> Days of Future Past also has Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, but they're not Avengers, they're mutants, and they're more than likely the children of Magneto. It was a stretch for Marvel and Fox to agree on that</strong>.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Okay lol, I was just saying that I always found Marvel's universe extremely confusing, comic book wise and cinematic wise, I don't think anyone can disagree with that after reading what I bolded there. I guess that just means that The Justice League will have a lot more star power in it considering DC/Warner Brothers owns the rights to make any movie with their receptive character in it. Meaning more popular superheros will be able to participate in the film.</p><p> </p><p> -Batman(Affleck)</p><p> -Super-Man(Cavill)</p><p> -Green Lantern(Reynolds)</p><p> -Wonder Women(Gadot)</p><p> -The Flash(Unknown But Movie Confirmed In 2016)</p><p> -Martian Manhunter(Unknown)</p><p> -Aquaman(Unknown)</p><p> -Cyborg(The Rock? Portraying The Last Person In The Film.)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I honestly do like this topic, but since it's not WWE, I'm replying in the movie discussion thread. My reply is here... http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1973430#post1973430 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Edit: followed Jaysin's lead and moved my post to here: <a href="http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1973433&postcount=285" rel="external nofollow">http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1973433&postcount=285</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He could always play Luke Cage</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nah, The Rock is not "Harlem-ish" enough for Luke Cage.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jbergey_2005" data-cite="jbergey_2005" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree with much of what you said DJ.<p> </p><p> The facing Undertaker I guess is the biggest issue I would have. Undertaker at WM has been built to be superhuman and I dont think any amount of hype could get him to the level that makes him a legit threat.</p><p> </p><p> With that said, maybe the WWE has built Undertaker up so much that no one really appears as threat. Do people even think Lesnar can go over on him?</p><p> </p><p> Remarkably, the past 10 years knowing that Undertaker is going to win, the matches have been so wonderfully done that they made you forget about the fact that UT cant be beat. I just dont think Sting could pull this off.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think they could if they wanted to. WWE are very good at creating promotional videos and vignettes, especially with the video library they have to draw on for Sting. They could hype him up as this mysterious, all-conquering force, blah, blah, blah. The fact that a large part of the audience hasn't seen him before but there's such a storied history to show of him makes it doable as well as this mysterious aura. Only thing is you'd probably have to debut him at either the Rumble or Elimination Chamber and put him over someone credible to really cement it before the actual run-in to Mania with 'Taker (matching him with the supernatural schtick to an extent, I guess. Lights go out with Sting in the ring, GONG, come back up and a confused 'Taker is in the ring alone, camera pans to the shadows in the rafters, that sort of thing).</p><p> </p><p> The problem, for me, isn't could they do it (I firmly believe they could do the build up and sell the match) but would they do it? What's the benefit? Would it boost the buyrate enough to be worthwhile? I think they could build it enough to be an anticipated Main Event level spectacle but I don't think they could go that extra step to build it to the point where enough people would buy the show just on the strength of that match alone. And if there's no financial incentive to it, I don't see them doing it because it doesn't have any long term benefit for the company either.</p><p> </p><p> As a fan, though, I still want to see it, even with the two guys being more than a 100 combined.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Slim Jim" data-cite="Slim Jim" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think they could if they wanted to. WWE are very good at creating promotional videos and vignettes, especially with the video library they have to draw on for Sting. They could hype him up as this mysterious, all-conquering force, blah, blah, blah. The fact that a large part of the audience hasn't seen him before but there's such a storied history to show of him makes it doable as well as this mysterious aura. Only thing is you'd probably have to debut him at either the Rumble or Elimination Chamber and put him over someone credible to really cement it before the actual run-in to Mania with 'Taker (matching him with the supernatural schtick to an extent, I guess. Lights go out with Sting in the ring, GONG, come back up and a confused 'Taker is in the ring alone, camera pans to the shadows in the rafters, that sort of thing).<p> </p><p> The problem, for me, isn't could they do it (I firmly believe they could do the build up and sell the match) but would they do it? What's the benefit? Would it boost the buyrate enough to be worthwhile? I think they could build it enough to be an anticipated Main Event level spectacle but I don't think they could go that extra step to build it to the point where enough people would buy the show just on the strength of that match alone. And if there's no financial incentive to it, I don't see them doing it because it doesn't have any long term benefit for the company either.</p><p> </p><p> As a fan, though, I still want to see it, even with the two guys being more than a 100 combined.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Interesting perspective, the thing nobody seems to be talking about though with the WWE Network getting into full gear within the next year or so, specifically with an anticipated international launch to Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Singapore, Nordics in late 2014/early 2015. How many people are actually going to continue and order Wrestlemania and other big events through PPV providers? I know I'm not. International buyrates should plummet as should domestic buyrates.</p><p> </p><p> I honestly don't know how they can decide on who to push other then merchandise sales and individual segment ratings? PPV buyrates seem to be obsolete going forward.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 NXT Review: Mojo vs Parker - Forgettable match with Mojo going over. The best part was Alex Riley going full heel, giving better balance to the announce team. Woods vs Breeze - Woods needs his old theme and facial hair back. Breeze won a solid match. I sense a title shot in his near future. Graves vs Tatsu - Solid match. Tatsu fared better this time but Graves made him tap. Graves has a good submission moveset for a heel but his mic work is lacking. Charlotte vs Natalya (w/ Bret Hart) - Good match. Sasha interfered to save Charlotte and got a Sharpshooter for her trouble. Natalya is great on NXT where her moveset isn't limited and she has opponents who don't drag her down. Charlotte held her own. Dallas vs Neville (NXT Championship) - Good match with Neville retaining after a new finisher (reverse 450 splash). I wish it had run longer but they did a fine job with the 10 minutes they were given. Verdict: Good show with 2 quality matches. Been reading reviews and it seems most of the backstage segments are Network-only now. I think my version is from Hulu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 31, 2014 Share Posted March 31, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Smackdown Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Sin Cara vs Sandow</strong> - Instead of giving Sandow revenge for the Scooby Squash he lost again <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/confused.png.d4a8e6b6eab0c67698b911fb041c0ed1.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> <strong>Ambrose & Rollins vs 3MB</strong> - Solid match.</p><p> <strong>Ambrose & Rollins vs Rybaxel </strong>- Good match.</p><p> <strong>Batista & Triple H</strong> - Strong segment with both guys running each other down.</p><p> <strong>Fandango vs Goldust</strong> - Fandango won with help from Summer. Better than their last botchfest match.</p><p> <strong>Batista vs Sheamus</strong> - Batista's best match since his return but it should have been longer. Ended in a DQ after Batista hit Sheamus with a chair.</p><p> <strong>AJ & Tamina vs The Bellas</strong> - OK match. AJ got pinned after an argument with Tamina.</p><p> <strong>Santino & Emma</strong> - Their "friends with benefits" date skit was kind of funny but I'd rather see Emma wrestle. They could have Renee interview her backstage if they want to put over her personality (like on NXT).</p><p> <strong>Swagger vs Uso</strong> - Jimmy tapped out as the Real Americans push continues. They actually look like legit contenders. On the other hand, Rybaxel look like jobbers going into the tag title match.</p><p> <strong>Henry vs Miz</strong> - OK match.</p><p> <strong>Show vs Bray</strong> - Only lasted 5 minutes but they managed to work a solid match. Wyatt won clean (with unseen interference).</p><p> </p><p> <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Verdict:</strong></span> Solid but skippable show.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Roman Reigns is awesome right now. I'm so ready for his push to the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Roman Reigns is awesome right now. I'm so ready for his push to the moon. So is 80% of the WWE audience, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Roman Reigns is awesome right now. I'm so ready for his push to the moon. He's awesome when he's protected and only allowed to do his six moves and plays his role perfectly in tag matches for that purpose He still cant hold any interest in a singles match and it would be a pretty big mistake to even think about letting him go full singles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 He's awesome when he's protected and only allowed to do his six moves and plays his role perfectly in tag matches for that purpose He still cant hold any interest in a singles match and it would be a pretty big mistake to even think about letting him go full singles There's no reason to break up The Shield in order to give Roman a push. Give Rollins a shot for the IC Title and have him feud with Big E as competitors, have someone beat Ambrose for the US title and then have Ambrose feud with them as a heel and Roman can have his singles main event feud (as a face) while still being friends (and working with) with the other two. The Shield shouldn't be based around alignment but instead if you fight one of the shield you fight them all no matter if you're a face of heel or any combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Making Reigns wrestle major singles matches is a horrible idea because the crowds turned on his long matches that weren't against ring generals like Punk and Bryan, frankly they weren't good at all. He had a match with Wyatt last month that was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Making Reigns wrestle major singles matches is a horrible idea because the crowds turned on his long matches that weren't against ring generals like Punk and Bryan, frankly they weren't good at all. He had a match with Wyatt last month that was awful. Yeah. Guy's not there yet. He's got all the potential in the world to get there and be a big player in the next few years, but he's still got a long way to go before he gets himself to that point. They need to not rush this, which means keeping the Shield together, which is good, because that gimmick made the three of them much more than any of them could've been alone. The music alone gets me excited for the three of them. Dreading music choices once they split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 Hey I'm with you guys. I don't feel a need for all this to happen immediately. So I guess "cant wait" is a bad choice of words. I can wait. Reigns certainly needs quite a bit more development before he can main event wrestlemania and stuff like that. It IS exciting to see a prospect like him though. The charisma is something special. I'm interested to see how it plays out when The Shield break up. Together, they have accomplished a lot and been very entertaining in just about every situation they've found themselves in. I like the face run. But seperately I'm curious to see how it all plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 If they split I imagine Reigns keeps the theme with a Jeff Hardy deal. The breakup will center around him (obviously) so they'll let him retain that part of the image if nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 If they split I imagine Reigns keeps the theme with a Jeff Hardy deal. The breakup will center around him (obviously) so they'll let him retain that part of the image if nothing else Would much prefer that to the alternative of someone else being brought in to fill the void. Really don't think they could recapture what the Shield is with another third, which is really saying something for Reigns, who was the odd man out of the pairing originally. Can remember having company over watching the night they debuted and us all going "Him? Of all the guys in NXT, he gets the spot?" Now he's the part of the group I look foward to most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The weirdest part is the outfits. I just can't imagine any of them changing their looks for tights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 The weirdest part is the outfits. I just can't imagine any of them changing their looks for tights. Ambrose could go full on hobo look and go crazier after the split to give him something fun to do. It'd make him stand out and solidify him in the midcard as something not just like the rest of the midcard, and that's about as far as I see him going. Honestly don't know what you do with Rollins, I'd struggle booking him without the Shield gimmick at this point in WWE. Never been a promotion built on guys like him, but I wouldn't want him to become just another midcard guy who doesn't really stand out amongst guys like Kofi. Don't see much at all changing about Reigns. Would be no reason to change him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Ambrose could go full on hobo look and go crazier after the split to give him something fun to do. It'd make him stand out and solidify him in the midcard as something not just like the rest of the midcard, and that's about as far as I see him going.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Obviously I'm not suggesting a direct rip-off but just as a point of comparison for how it'd play out, Ambrose and AJ having a Joker/Harley Quinn relationship has worked in my mind since he debuted.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted April 1, 2014 Share Posted April 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Arrows" data-cite="Arrows" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Would much prefer that to the alternative of someone else being brought in to fill the void. Really don't think they could recapture what the Shield is with another third, which is really saying something for Reigns, who was the odd man out of the pairing originally.<p> </p><p> Can remember having company over watching the night they debuted and us all going "Him? Of all the guys in NXT, he gets the spot?" Now he's the part of the group I look foward to most.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair he was almost Bo Dallas level in developmental in terms of being pushed despite his talent though he seemed to be injury prone (I remember at least 2 injuries from mid 2011-mid 2012 when I was watching). Ambrose and Rollins were big deals down there while he was either hurt or doing a lame Samoan tribute gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> To his credit he has improved immensely from the one who does nothing all match until he spears someone through the barricade. He's been able to hold his own with some of the best guys doing it today and has a nice set of signature moves if nothing else. With time he'll develop into an awesome worker, especially considering all of the great young and old talent around him between Bryan, Orton, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, etc</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> To his credit he has improved immensely from the one who does nothing all match until he spears someone through the barricade. He's been able to hold his own with some of the best guys doing it today and has a nice set of signature moves if nothing else. With time he'll develop into an awesome worker, especially considering all of the great young and old talent around him between Bryan, Orton, Rollins, Ambrose, Wyatt, etc</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From the interviews I've read and watched The Shield has a lot of creative freedom in terms of their ringwork and as you said they are working with so many talented workers that they can ask for advice and all that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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