delv213 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Dirtsheets" data-cite="Dirtsheets" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> According to one source, the reports that claim Batista refused to work a program with Daniel Bryan are untrue.<p> </p><p> A source recently told ProWrestling.net, "WWE wants that story out, but it's all twisted. (Batista) would do five jobs for Bryan. They've f---ed him in money, booking, broken promises (relating to his) schedule, and promoting his (outside projects)."</p><p> </p><p> The source continued, "Had that not happened, he would be around until late June, but because Vince (McMahon) f---ed him, he's not, so they dragged Daniel Bryan into this to vilify Batista. Daniel is beloved and a martyr so he benefits, but it has nothing to do with jobbing. They've twisted. It's classic Vince. Look at Ultimate Warrior and SummerSlam, Bret Hart in Montreal. (Vince) puts out his narrative. There are always two sides."</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> <a href="http://rajah.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://rajah.com/</a></p><p> </p><p> ^Same site that said Daniel Bryan would get his comeuppances at Wrestlemania 30 after the Chamber "debacle" because of Punk's leaving and Bryan not feuding with anyone. If I remember correctly Chris Masters was revealed to be in contact with a guy who has the blog on the site not too long ago and even did an exclusive interview with him after his release. The guy revealed he had numerous people under contract with WWE talking to him at the time but wouldn't reveal their names for obvious reasons.</p><p> </p><p> Classic Vince indeed, no superstar that left on his watch has ever been greeted back into his fold without Vince giving them an extremely hard time with numerous broken promises. Poor guy, he's definitely been giving the screws. No doubt Batista was originally suppose to win the title, the guy should be pissed.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Macca316" data-cite="Macca316" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You do realize since watching this earlier this morning this has been in my head all day...<p> </p><p> I pretty much hate you right now lol</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I suffered it, now its your turn!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="delv213" data-cite="delv213" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://rajah.com/" rel="external nofollow">http://rajah.com/</a><p> </p><p> ^Same site that said Daniel Bryan would get his comeuppances at Wrestlemania 30 after the Chamber "debacle" because of Punk's leaving and Bryan not feuding with anyone. If I remember correctly Chris Masters was revealed to be in contact with a guy who has the blog on the site not too long ago and even did an exclusive interview with him after his release. The guy revealed he had numerous people under contract with WWE talking to him at the time but wouldn't reveal their names for obvious reasons.</p><p> </p><p> Classic Vince indeed, no superstar that left on his watch has ever been greeted back into his fold without Vince giving them an extremely hard time with numerous broken promises. Poor guy, he's definitely been giving the screws. No doubt Batista was originally suppose to win the title, the guy should be pissed.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I recently watched Scott Hall and Kevin Nash shoots about how Vince basically screwed them over with the nWo angle. Hall was only supposed to work 10 days a month and he ended up working over 20 his first month back, then Hall was supposed to beat Austin at WM and the nWo were supposed to stand tall over The Rock but he changed things the day before.</p><p> </p><p> People probably wont care about this because its Batista, and thats kinda f'ed up since he's essentially wasting his time by coming back in the grand scheme of things. He could be working on another movie, maybe do another MMA fight or something, instead hes getting screwed out of a probably promised title run and has still been nice enough to tap out to Bryan and take the fall for Evolution at ER. As a Batista fan this is kinda upsetting.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 It sucks for Batista, but I guess that's what happens when 95% of the audience boo your big return. He's had altercations with fans since and has just generally acted extremely childish over the audience's negative reaction towards him. Him tapping out to Daniel Bryan does not redeem him in my eyes, when a professional wrestler is told to do the job, he goes out in front of those fans and he does it. Now if Batista specifically asked to be the fall guy because he wanted to put Bryan over, then that's a different story but if I'm judging the recent dirt sheet reports, it certainly seems like he's got his tail between his legs and he's gonna skulk off in a huff because he didn't get what he wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And if I remember correctly the guys were military or former military.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And IIRC, didn't they jump ADR 2-on-1? Yeah, real tough guys. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoisonedSuperman Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It sucks for Batista, but I guess that's what happens when 95% of the audience boo your big return. He's had altercations with fans since and has just generally acted extremely childish over the audience's negative reaction towards him. Him tapping out to Daniel Bryan does not redeem him in my eyes, when a professional wrestler is told to do the job, he goes out in front of those fans and he does it. </div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or they go home to Chicago to cry</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And IIRC, didn't they jump ADR 2-on-1? Yeah, real tough guys. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> Yep... But a former MMA fighter got his ass kicked yet 1 scottish guy can stop them both? ADR sounds like a bitch to me. Just like Sheamus</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep... But a former MMA fighter got his ass kicked yet 1 scottish guy can stop them both? ADR sounds like a bitch to me. Just like Sheamus</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> OK, since it sounds so easy to you, you try fighting thugs who jump you only because they know (or think they know) you're alone. Just sayin...</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It sucks for Batista, but I guess that's what happens when 95% of the audience boo your big return. He's had altercations with fans since and has just generally acted extremely childish over the audience's negative reaction towards him. Him tapping out to Daniel Bryan does not redeem him in my eyes, when a professional wrestler is told to do the job, he goes out in front of those fans and he does it. Now if Batista specifically asked to be the fall guy because he wanted to put Bryan over, then that's a different story but if I'm judging the recent dirt sheet reports, it certainly seems like he's got his tail between his legs and he's gonna skulk off in a huff because he didn't get what he wanted.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Its not even about not getting what he wanted, its pretty much not getting what was probably promised to him. IMO Bryan getting the title made for a better WM ending, but if Vince promised Batista a title run then Vince needs to be a man of his word and honor what he said he was going to do. Anybody would be pissed if they went from winning the title to having to tap out in the main event. That's not even mentioning he didnt even get to look that dominant in the build up to WM. At the very least Orton should've taken either the fall at WM or the fall at ER to even things out.</p><p> </p><p> As for his getting booed, I dont see anything wrong with that. Its the job of the fans to let the E know what they do and dont want. I dont think that nobody never wants to see Batista with the title ever again, but I do think the feeling among fans is that it's DBs time. Its the same thing with The Rock. I dont think anybody really wanted to see The Rock die, they just didnt want what they were given at the time. I prefer Heeltista anyway so it all worked out but I do hope he gets his title run somewhere down the line.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman74 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Just wait till Payback PPV it's in Chicago just imagine how loud the CM Punk chants get especially if Payback sucks like Extreme Rules did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca316 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I suffered it, now its your turn! Thanks buddy... Hell of a theme though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Just wait till Payback PPV it's in Chicago just imagine how loud the CM Punk chants get especially if Payback sucks like Extreme Rules did. Wait, Extreme Rules sucked? What did I watch? I saw a pretty solid B-PPV with one match I didn't like on the card. Seriously if you didn't enjoy that, I think you might not be in WWE's demo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Its not even about not getting what he wanted, its pretty much not getting what was probably promised to him. IMO Bryan getting the title made for a better WM ending, but if Vince promised Batista a title run then Vince needs to be a man of his word and honor what he said he was going to do. Oh yes I agree, it sucks for Batista that he was promised something he didn't ultimately get but I'm somewhat surprised that people believe Vince is faithful to his word. By this point, surely everybody should know that Vince puts business before everything else. Batista winning at WrestleMania would have incited actual riots, it would have been a terrible decision in every single aspect apart from Vince not breaking a promise he never should have made in the first place. I prefer Heeltista anyway so it all worked out but I do hope he gets his title run somewhere down the line. If he gets over and giving him the belt is the right move at the time, then yeah I wouldn't be against it. I have no problem with Batista, I've always thought he was pretty good in the ring and he was super over a few years back but he has to earn his stripes again. You can't waltz away and then come back and be handed everything you want, being WWE Champion should be a gigantic achievement, not just a piece of gold that is passed around because "why not". I'm a massive CM Punk mark right, I love CM Punk, he's part of the reason I got re-invested in WWE after some pretty poor years. But if he decides to come back and is instantly handed the belt, I will be as equally pissed as I would have been if Batista was given it at WrestleMania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I still don't think Batista was promised any title win, WWe has never, nor will they ever do that. there is no proof of this, no one in the know screaming about it, Batista did not make a fuss about it, there is NO reason to think he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I am pretty sure the plan was for him to win the belt but it's not like it was written in ink or anything. It doesn't take a genius to see that him winning the Rumble only to tap in the main event of WM wasn't the plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wolfie" data-cite="Wolfie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I still don't think Batista was promised any title win, WWe has never, nor will they ever do that. there is no proof of this, no one in the know screaming about it, Batista did not make a fuss about it, there is NO reason to think he was.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Werent there rumors about Jericho having a promised title run in his 2007 WWE deal?</p><p> </p><p> Even if he wasnt promised a title in ink, he still is a trooper for getting plans changed on him like that and it must suck for him as well but like I alluded to with the nWo Vince has a history of doing that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I am pretty sure the plan was for him to win the belt but it's not like it was written in ink or anything. It doesn't take a genius to see that him winning the Rumble only to tap in the main event of WM wasn't the plan.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Still don't mean he would win the title. Remember Danial Bryan was not even going to be near the belt at the time Batista would of made this deal. He would of fought Randy so of course he was not meant to tap*</p><p> </p><p> * assuming they kept randy and him etc, hence why you dont promise things, it can change like it did.</p><p> Pepole were so sure Batista was garented to win the title just like they were sure that Brayn would not get his moment, just like they were sure that Evolution would not put over Shield or that Taker would not lose at WM etc.</p><p> </p><p> Point being we assume we know whats going on when 99% of the time we don't. </p><p> </p><p> Randy had just beating Cena and unfied the titles recently and I could see just as much reason for Batista to lose to Randy there as well.</p><p> Let's say Bryan never picked up, but they still booed Batista what then? have heel vs heel? they either turn one (most likely Randy) or they would add a third man anyways </p><p> </p><p> Pepole assume WWE= give belt to part timer for promotion reasons but the fact is historically they have almost never, done that. Only guy close is the Rock. Batista is no Rock, i dont think the out come is as clear as others make it out to be.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Werent there rumors about Jericho having a promised title run in his 2007 WWE deal?<p> Even if he wasnt promised a title in ink, he still is a trooper for getting plans changed on him like that and it must suck for him as well but like I alluded to with the nWo Vince has a history of doing that.</p></div></blockquote> there are also rumors that there have been multiple Kanes, undertakers, and ultimate warriors. Most of them are unfounded. There is not one proven case of anyone ever being offered a title in their contract, you dont do that. You might offer a certin push or spot (Main event WM) but not who wins, biggest reason why is that ties your hands, they singed this deal at least three or so months before WM the deal it self was most likely a lot longer in the making. Lot of time for things to go wrong so you don't promise them the title, you keep your options open. Don't get me wrong they may of hinted at him winning, or made it seem that way, but they never officially told him "Hey you join we give you the title"<p> </p><p> As for him being a trooper meh, I think most of us are guessing as to what the plans is and have no way of knowing. We are acting like its a fact that he was going to win. I'm not so sure</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> IMO there is no chance in hell in any way they ever gave him any sort of physical promise for the title. and there is nothing to say that if Bryan had not shot up like a rocket that Batista would of walked out with the strap</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <p>Like Showtime said I would find it unlikely anyone from WWE would outright PROMISE a WWE title run to Batista. It's also unlikely that when he was convinced to return that they told him he'd be jobbing to Bryan and The Shield. If his issue is about "money" as rumors suggest, it's likely he was told that he'd have a higher place on the card, more merchandise by now, etc. All those things were likely promised to him in order to return at a base rate both sides were willing to work with.</p><p> </p><p> I mean I do not profess to have inside information on the backstage dealings I'm just using logic and common sense. I could very well be wrong here.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <p>Batista was never going to lose to Orton in a singles</p><p> </p><p> Now you're just trying to throw basic storytelling and WWE logic out of the window.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <p>Batista got a poor reception on his return, which is bad when combined with a presumably expensive contract. Bryan did the job for Bray Wyatt and his popularity only increased. They changed the WM30 plans because it was best for business.</p><p> </p><p> There's a rumor going around that WWE are paying their superstars lower pay to fund the startup costs of the Network. Also that Batista is unhappy about the pay situation and the lack of promotion for his upcoming movie, not about the lack of a title run. To be taken with a pinch of salt.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/5/8/5696674/wwe-wrestlers-feel-the-mcmahons-are-stealing-from-their-pockets-to-fund-the-network" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2014/5/8/5696674/wwe-wrestlers-feel-the-mcmahons-are-stealing-from-their-pockets-to-fund-the-network</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">NXT Review:</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Emma vs Charlotte</strong> - Solid match won by Charlotte. I like Charlotte's Figure 4 Headlock. Emma tried to use her female cobra, Venemma, something they should avoid on NXT where the fans still support her.</p><p> <strong>The Leggionaires (Leforte & Louis) vs El Local & Kalisto</strong> - Solid match. The debuting Kalisto pulled off some crowd pleasing moves. We now have a full tag division.</p><p> <strong>Camacho vs Captain Comic (The Rosebud formerly known as Garret Dylan)</strong> - Squash match to build the fued between Camacho and Rose.</p><p> <strong>Fox vs Bliss</strong> - Solid match won by Alexa Bliss, who has a Tinkerbell Gymnast Cheerleader gimmick. She was kicking out too quickly, though. Hope she improves fast.</p><p> <strong>Battle Royale (#1 Contender)</strong> - Good match. Final 3 was Kidd, Zayn & Breeze after Kidd eliminated the dominant Dallas to great applause. All 3 went over the ropes at the same time in a cool final sequence. Triple H set up a triple threat match for next week.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Good show. 2 new tag teams, 2 womens tournament matches, 3 debuts and a Battle Royale. Renee was better than usual as part of a 3 person booth.</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/slides/photos/003/645/939/ae4485319d1bb277e98ce3c376aa134a_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75</span><img alt="10270818_238637576325284_8898516847685911106_n.jpg" data-src="https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/s403x403/10270818_238637576325284_8898516847685911106_n.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 Alexa Bliss is cute. I was really impressed with Kalisto, everything he did looked great. One minor problem I have with NXT, I wish the commentators wouldn't shout "OOOH" every time there's a big move, I find it a little distracting because their headsets are so loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Batista was never going to lose to Orton in a singles<p> </p><p> Now you're just trying to throw basic storytelling and WWE logic out of the window.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why not? Batista was HATED lets say Bryan was not in the cards then would they really let Batista win? the Answer is no, they would of found another way to give the title to someone else.</p><p> </p><p> They thought Batista would get a better reaction, he did not, there is no way in hell they were going to let him walk out champ.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Basic WWE storyline and logic is this, if a planed story is not working disregard it and pretend it never happen. they would ignore Batista winning the Royal rumble, or have him make it a three way still with someone else. If worse came to worse they would have him win but then have someone manage to sneak in a 2nd match Ala Hulk Hogan</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 I miss Lefort's gaudy jacket. And why can't we have French wrestlers who aren't arrogantly patriotic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammoth Posted May 10, 2014 Share Posted May 10, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Wolfie" data-cite="Wolfie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why not? Batista was HATED lets say Bryan was not in the cards then would they really let Batista win? the Answer is no, they would of found another way to give the title to someone else.<p> </p><p> They thought Batista would get a better reaction, he did not, there is no way in hell they were going to let him walk out champ.</p><p> </p><p> Basic WWE storyline and logic is this, if a planed story is not working disregard it and pretend it never happen. they would ignore Batista winning the Royal rumble, or have him make it a three way still with someone else. If worse came to worse they would have him win but then have someone manage to sneak in a 2nd match Ala Hulk Hogan</p></div></blockquote><p> Batista wasn't hated because he came back, he was hated because he was taking Daniel Bryan's place. The build up to his return was just getting a "meh" reaction from the crowd, but when people found out Daniel Bryan wasn't in the Rumble and Batista then won, the reaction turned to hate. If Daniel Bryan wasn't in the picture, Batista would have got an okay reaction (I still don't think it would have been brilliant, but it would have been okay) and as it's been said, he would have pinned Orton clean. Take Daniel Bryan out of the picture and there was no one else who they could have put in that match.</p><p> </p><p> You've also got to remember that people were turning on Orton at that point too, chanting random names during his matches and generally just uninterested with what he was doing. If there was no Daniel Bryan, they would have much rather have had an "okay" reaction to Batista having his 'Mania moment than Orton winning yet again and continuing what was a lacklustre first reign with the newly formed WWE World Heavyweight Championship.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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