iruleall15 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I thought it was a decent show. I actually enjoyed all talking segments (New Day/Enzo & Cass, Cena/AJ, Rollins/Reigns). Plus the IC build is fun, especially Owens' interactions with everyone.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> To be fair... Owens is the greatest thing in the company rigth now... His psychology is off the charts. I love his promos, his commentary and his trash talk in ring is icing on the cake. They need to give him a title and let him run with it for a long time.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codey_v2 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 The one thing I get annoyed at by Owens, and I think it was actually Bret Hart that pointed it out, is when he limps out to the ring after a brutal match, and performs without a hint of a leg injury. It's a cool touch that always gets kind of nullified by not performing with it after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Ben_Ditch05" data-cite="Ben_Ditch05" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's MITB Ladder match build... The IC Build is Miz on set at the Marine 5 talking...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's what I meant <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Basically the same guys competing anyway, just a different prize.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Raw rating this week (2.03) is the lowest since March 3rd, 1997. Discuss.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not everyone watches it live anymore. I watch on Hulu the next day and everyone in my circle does the same. I think the way they calculate ratings is inaccurate anyway. Why are they only going to gauge the people with a monitoring box. It baffles me that cable providers haven't came up with an alternative method and still using the same method from the 80's.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The Raw rating this week (2.03) is the lowest since March 3rd, 1997. Discuss.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, for one thing they were up against a potential series clinching NBA finals game. I know I watched that over Raw Live. The gane was good till late in the 4th too, which didn't help im sure.</p><p> </p><p> But honestly, and I've thought about this, I just don't consume RAW live anymore, although I would say in the last 2-3 years I've consumed more of WWE's product than I previously would do. </p><p> </p><p> It's part stagnation for sure. Another huge problem is with the three hour shows, you've trained the audeince to skip Raw live (who has 3 hours on a monday to do nothing but watch WWE?) and then hunt the content down later online.</p><p> </p><p> I tend to read a recap of Raw, pick out what sounds like something I should watch, and seek it out on Hulu, youtube, ect.</p><p> </p><p> Example: I didn't watch Raw live this week, but over the last two days, I've seen the MiTB segments and matches (because I'm fans of pretty much every guy involved). I watched the WWE snippit highlights for some other stuff that sounded "meh" and I watched the Cena-Styles segment by hunting it down on a non-wwe youtube account.</p><p> </p><p> So I don't count as a ratings point for Raw's score, but I've seen the content I wanted to see, and will watch the PPV on sunday on the WWE network.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anggur Merah Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="iruleall15" data-cite="iruleall15" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>To be fair... Owens is the greatest thing in the company rigth now... His psychology is off the charts. I love his promos, his commentary and his trash talk in ring is icing on the cake. They need to give him a title and let him run with it for a long time.</div></blockquote><p> "What the hell are you doing with that chair? You need hammer to ring the bell, not a chair!"</p><p> </p><p> Owens is gold.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Anggur Merah" data-cite="Anggur Merah" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"What the hell are you doing with that chair? You need hammer to ring the bell, not a chair!"<p> </p><p> Owens is gold.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When can we expect Kevin Owens to embark on his stand-up comedy tour?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwt13 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not everyone watches it live anymore. I watch on Hulu the next day and everyone in my circle does the same. I think the way they calculate ratings is inaccurate anyway. Why are they only going to gauge the people with a monitoring box. It baffles me that cable providers haven't came up with an alternative method and still using the same method from the 80's.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Either way it's awful.I know USA hasn't came right out and said it, but I don't see them being happy at all, with the money the gave WWE in the TV Deal a few years ago. I think that is the main reason for Smackdown going live is because USA told WWE they needed the ratings boosted.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jwt13" data-cite="jwt13" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Either way it's awful.I know USA hasn't came right out and said it, but I don't see them being happy at all, with the money the gave WWE in the TV Deal a few years ago. I think that is the main reason for Smackdown going live is because USA told WWE they needed the ratings boosted.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And given Hunter's comments on the matter, I expect you are correct and the response was:</p><p> </p><p> "you wanted 3 hours of programming as part of the reup, well Here it is" </p><p> </p><p> I think, if you sat both sides down and had them speak truth, USA and WWE would agree that moving Raw to 3 hours is killing the golden goose, and maybe the master plan they had to extend a good rating for USA to the entire Monday primetime slot was foolish. </p><p> </p><p> 2 hour Raw was just right, got USA high ratings and WWE could avoid over exposure.</p><p> </p><p> 3 hour Raw is a death march, and you have now successfully trained the audience that only 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 and 11:05 matter for advancing story lines, so you see spikes at those times, and flat 2 ratings for the rest of the show.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russelrules44 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Y'know, I've been thinking. What with the recent returns of Teddy Long and Corporate Kane vying for a shot to run SmackDown; I would love to see Vickie Guerrero come back to throw her ring in the pile. If only to hear her say "Excuse me!" one more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codey_v2 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 This is the best MitB buildup in a long time. Everyone in the match hates everyone else in the match, and they're doing a good job of building it up as a real 6 man feud. Most of the time it usually comes down to a few multiman matches, two or three one on one matches, and a bunch of singular rivalries culminating in a debate or something on the go home show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Y'know, I've been thinking. What with the recent returns of Teddy Long and Corporate Kane vying for a shot to run SmackDown; I would love to see Vickie Guerrero come back to throw her ring in the pile. If only to hear her say "Excuse me!" one more time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If she appears on TV and says that cral I will turn my channel. I hate her with a passion. Worst thing in wrestling</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Either way it's awful.I know USA hasn't came right out and said it, but I don't see them being happy at all, with the money the gave WWE in the TV Deal a few years ago. I think that is the main reason for Smackdown going live is because USA told WWE they needed the ratings boosted. If they can manage 3+ million on Raw and Smackdown after the brand split I think USA would be happy enough. The best thing they could do is is make both shows 2.5 hours so Raw is more palatable to watch live and USA still get their 6 hours of WWE. I have no clue about US TV scheduling, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 If they can manage 3+ million on Raw and Smackdown after the brand split I think USA would be happy enough. The best thing they could do is is make both shows 2.5 hours so Raw is more palatable to watch live and USA still get their 6 hours of WWE. I have no clue about US TV scheduling, though. Meltzer has said that USA pays WWE 50 million for the third hour of RAW. I doubt WWE is going to mess with that deal for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Meltzer has said that USA pays WWE 50 million for the third hour of RAW. I doubt WWE is going to mess with that deal for a long time.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Especially with no guarantee that the ratings will be higher. I mean, will a two hour show realistically do better ratings than what they get in the first two hours of RAW right now? I don't see it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>3 hour Raw is a death march, and you have now successfully trained the audience that only 8:00, 9:00, 10:00 and 11:05 matter for advancing story lines, so you see spikes at those times, and flat 2 ratings for the rest of the show.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Spot on.</p><p> </p><p> My TEW save is testament to this. I try to keep every segment include an active storyline so writing a RAW takes hours. I'm about three weeks in and I'm exhausted.</p><p> </p><p> God help the WWE creative team.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Especially with no guarantee that the ratings will be higher. I mean, will a two hour show realistically do better ratings than what they get in the first two hours of RAW right now? I don't see it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh, it would for sure do better ratings. Two hours is a TV movie. 3 Hours is lord of the freaking rings.</p><p> </p><p> I used to watch 2 hour Raw all the time. It was a nice show on a Monday. Get in at 9, your out by 11. </p><p> </p><p> Three hours? please. I haven't watched a Raw start to finish in months. I check in to start the show, then at 9, then at 10, and if the ME is interesting, i might be back at 11.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codey_v2 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The big issue is that so many people are foregoing cable television entirely. Ratings are down for everything across the board. Raw rating are down big time, but they're still among the top on Monday nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I just watch it on the background of the PC. When I hear a pop, I ALT+TAB to see what it was. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 <p>The length of this gif is how long it takes NXT to set up a marquee match. Who needs 3 hours <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> <img alt="tumblr_o8ub72T7ZH1u1ljrzo1_540.gif" data-src="https://67.media.tumblr.com/348c8a1047ab9f50e17bf1ab0d28333f/tumblr_o8ub72T7ZH1u1ljrzo1_540.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The length of this gif is how long it takes NXT to set up a marquee match. Who needs 3 hours <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /><p> </p><p> <img alt="tumblr_o8ub72T7ZH1u1ljrzo1_540.gif" data-src="https://67.media.tumblr.com/348c8a1047ab9f50e17bf1ab0d28333f/tumblr_o8ub72T7ZH1u1ljrzo1_540.gif" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> NXT does in 2 minutes what 5 hours of WWE a week fails to do. Entertain the fans</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 It was also the most personality Finn has shown since his debut. I think the Demon gimmick was holding him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruleall15 Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It was also the most personality Finn has shown since his debut. I think the Demon gimmick was holding him back.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thats true. Curious to see how he does on the main roster. HE doesnt feel like a jobber at all but he will never be a card guy. He has no personality at all. Hes boring as hell to me and brought nothing to the NXT title in terms of prestige.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codey_v2 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Thats true. Curious to see how he does on the main roster. HE doesnt feel like a jobber at all but he will never be a card guy. He has no personality at all. Hes boring as hell to me and brought nothing to the NXT title in terms of prestige. He works great as a heel, but he's worked so well as a face in NXT that I'm afraid they won't pull the trigger on reuniting him with the Bullet Club on the main roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoolestjedi12 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Thats true. Curious to see how he does on the main roster. HE doesnt feel like a jobber at all but he will never be a card guy. He has no personality at all. Hes boring as hell to me and brought nothing to the NXT title in terms of prestige. I gotta disagree, to all reports HHH is pretty high on Balor, dude has a charisma, especially with the face paint, the crowd on raw will buy into him, they don't buy into much, but they will buy into Balor. He may not be able to talk as well, but he can make it work with the paint. when it comes to the NXT title run, I felt it was average, not as good as KO's, but not as bad as Bo Dallas reign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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