MrCanada Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 ^^ The problem with TNA. they came to Oshawa (Toronto basically) and did 1500 and thought that was so good they would come back and do a PPV. And they gave tickets away for that house show. When ROH comes to town, they do about... lets seee... 1500. I guess they're national. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Based on their latest run of live show figures, you'd be wrong. Though I agree the house so numbers are not a good sign I don't know how well they can be use to dictate PPV attendance. I mean they would at least advertise a PPV (I would hope). Also it wouldn't be a weak roster like a good number of the house shows get (I know last time they came up here I didn't go due to who wasn’t going to be on the show and no way am I alone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 ^^ The problem with TNA. they came to Oshawa (Toronto basically) and did 1500 and thought that was so good they would come back and do a PPV. And they gave tickets away for that house show. When ROH comes to town, they do about... lets seee... 1500. I guess they're national. No what it is is lack of advertiseing if they did that properly they could get depending on the place 5 to 10,000 people at a house show easy and I hope thats something Bischoff we help TNA out with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 3800 out of 5000 is over 75% so I would say nearly sold out yes. And this was 3 years ago so I think they could hit 5000 by now Three quarters full is not nearly sold out. 4800 would be nearly sold out. But a 5000 seat arena (pretty small) having 1200 empty seats is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 ^^ The problem with TNA. they came to Oshawa (Toronto basically) and did 1500 and thought that was so good they would come back and do a PPV. And they gave tickets away for that house show. When ROH comes to town, they do about... lets seee... 1500. I guess they're national. No no no..based on the thread in the general discussion section, 1500 fans in Canada makes them International. And EVERYONE in England knows who they are, so they could actually be Global. Also, Dixie Carter is a fan of Star Trek. So arguably, they could even be Intergalactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 No no no..based on the thread in the general discussion section, 1500 fans in Canada makes them International. And EVERYONE in England knows who they are, so they could actually be Global. Also, Dixie Carter is a fan of Star Trek. So arguably, they could even be Intergalactic. So, ROH is also National? And WWE is........ I think the honest to god problem (this just occured to me) is people are trying to measure from the bottom up. You have to relate from the top down. if WWE is global, or WWE is international, or what have you. Then this promotion, be it TNA, ROH, or whatever, must be this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Though I do agree with you two lets not start that discussion here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Though I agree the house so numbers are not a good sign I don't know how well they can be use to dictate PPV attendance. I mean they would at least advertise a PPV (I would hope). Also it wouldn't be a weak roster like a good number of the house shows get (I know last time they came up here I didn't go due to who wasn’t going to be on the show and no way am I alone). It's not a perfect indicator, but I'm not risking a bunch of empty seats on a live PPV unless it were a super show and I'd been advertising for weeks. And let's face it, TNA does a sh*t job building their PPVs. The main event for the next PPV is Joe/AJ...how much has that been built? No what it is is lack of advertiseing if they did that properly they could get depending on the place 5 to 10,000 people at a house show easy and I hope thats something Bischoff we help TNA out with. 10 k fans? Easy? You're insane. They just aren't there yet. Three quarters full is not nearly sold out. 4800 would be nearly sold out. But a 5000 seat arena (pretty small) having 1200 empty seats is awful. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesterx7769 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Has anyone been to their shows in Orlando? now that I live in Florida I am thiking of going so was hoping to hear from some1 first hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 So, ROH is also National? And WWE is........ Based on that logic? The WWE is Pan-Dimensional. They are allowed to run shows throughout the space-time continuum and in alternate versions of our own reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Based on that logic? The WWE is Pan-Dimensional. They are allowed to run shows throughout the space-time continuum and in alternate versions of our own reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Hey, if the TNA nutjobs want to claim that TNA is a "National" or "International" company - even though they've never drawn a large paying crowd anywhere, they have to give away tickets to their TV and PPV tapings, and their buy-rates are negligible - then the WWE must be so powerful that they are altering our perceptions of reality. Like a new pantheon of demi-gods or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 No what it is is lack of advertiseing if they did that properly they could get depending on the place 5 to 10,000 people at a house show easy and I hope thats something Bischoff we help TNA out with. Wow...... just wow. They could double their all-time best attendance figures at a house show? That would really be something, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Wow...... just wow. They could double their all-time best attendance figures at a house show? That would really be something, I guess. Read what I said ok I siad with the right advertising (Spell Check) they could ok so reread it if you need to because with the names that TNA has they could get 10,000 people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Read what I said ok I siad with the right advertising (Spell Check) they could ok so reread it if you need to because with the names that TNA has they could get 10,000 people Just...no. It's not a lack of advertising that's the problem, it's a lack of 10,000 people willing to attend a TNA show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Just...no. It's not a lack of advertising that's the problem, it's a lack of 10,000 people willing to attend a TNA show. I think he's a kid so I'd give this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Read what I said ok I siad with the right advertising (Spell Check) they could ok so reread it if you need to because with the names that TNA has they could get 10,000 people ROFL You're being delusional. 10 K fans? at a house show? Even though their biggest names don't routinely work their house shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Read what I said ok I siad with the right advertising (Spell Check) they could ok so reread it if you need to because with the names that TNA has they could get 10,000 people No... just... no... and spell check... By YOUR logic, TNA is bigger then WWE because WWE doesnt average 10,000 for a house show. I hate TNA fans SO much. And I'm not a WWE fan. I like all wrestling equally (even TNA). It all has ups and downs. But why do TNA fans feel the need to always say how good they are and not just except reality? TNA is the second biggest company in North America. correct. But are they anywhere near the level of WWE? no. WWE TV gets 15,000 (give or take) PAID through the door. TNA TV gets 1500 FREE through the door. So TNA is 1/10th the size of WWE in that sense. WWE house shows get 7000 I'd say on average (that could be wrong, usually its between 5000 and 9000 so) and TNA gets 500-750, call it 625. That makes them 1/11th the size of WWE. TNA PPV gets around 35,000 buys (for their big ppvs) (and some are WAY lower then that) and WWE gets "low" 235,000 buys. So TNA is 1/6th the size of WWE there. And thats not measuring against the 1,000,000 or so that get Mania (WWE's biggest PPV) which would make TNA 1/28th the size of WWE. All you are allowed to measure is TRUTH and FACT. This isnt Fox news with hypothetical, fantasy, & opinion. Whether TEW terms apply or not is really the thing that should be debated. But being as this is GDS's board they do. Drawing 1500 people is cult. DEAL with it. And dont do what typical TNA fans do and use TNA's best number vs. WWE's worst. Or just TNA's best. Sure maybe they drew 3000 to a house show once (dont know if thats true just made it up) but that doenst count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Edwards Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 profile says he is 34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Read what I said ok I siad with the right advertising (Spell Check) they could ok so reread it if you need to because with the names that TNA has they could get 10,000 people Maybe you need to re-read what I "siad." You're saying they could sell over 5,000 tickets more than they ever have in their history at a house show. This is the same company that can't afford to go on tour and can't fill a venue of less than 2,000 on a regular basis. That's not just wrong, that's laugh out loud wrong. If and when TNA leaves the Impact Zone and can show they can sell tickets at actual arenas anywhere close to the 5K mark, then they'll be on the road to the kind of numbers you're talking about. But not only are they not there, they can't even see there from where they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAfan123 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 No... just... no... and spell check... By YOUR logic, TNA is bigger then WWE because WWE doesnt average 10,000 for a house show. I hate TNA fans SO much. And I'm not a WWE fan. I like all wrestling equally (even TNA). It all has ups and downs. But why do TNA fans feel the need to always say how good they are and not just except reality? TNA is the second biggest company in North America. correct. But are they anywhere near the level of WWE? no. WWE TV gets 15,000 (give or take) PAID through the door. TNA TV gets 1500 FREE through the door. So TNA is 1/10th the size of WWE in that sense. TNA PPV gets around 35,000 buys (for their big ppvs) (and some are WAY lower then that) and WWE gets "low" 235,000 buys. So TNA is 1/6th the size of WWE there. And thats not measuring against the 1,000,000 or so that get Mania (WWE's biggest PPV) which would make TNA 1/28th the size of WWE. All you are allowed to measure is TRUTH and FACT. This isnt Fox news with hypothetical, fantasy, & opinion. Whether TEW terms apply or not is really the thing that should be debated. But being as this is GDS's board they do. Drawing 1500 people is cult. DEAL with it. No where in what I said says that TNA is bigger than WWE I know that isn't true I like WWE too but some are just to stupid to understand some things but I'm not talking to you Mr.Canda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 profile says he is 34 Dog years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanada Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 No where in what I said says that TNA is bigger than WWE I know that isn't true I like WWE too but some are just to stupid to understand some things but I'm not talking to you Mr.Canda I know. but if WWE is by definition National in America, aka recognized throughout the country, how can TNA be ANYWHERE near them? WWE being a global company is because they are also national in pretty much all other countries as well. So if TNA is basically a sliver to WWE's Giant Redwood (CVERSE~!) how can it at all beconsiderd a National promotion? EDIT: And what Slim Jim said is why I went on my TNA vs. WWE rant. Because you implied with your made-up math TNA was in fact a bigger company then WWE but with bad advertising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Jim Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Recent Raw house show in New York drew 9000 fans. NY is a pretty easy area for WWE to draw a crowd, and they still didn't get the 10000 you claim TNA can get with the right advertising. (by the by, on the same night TNA drew 900 fans in Montreal) Suggesting that TNA could get 10000 fans to a house show, when WWE don't even pull that many implies you think TNA are the bigger company... which is just so obviously wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 No where in what I said says that TNA is bigger than WWE I know that isn't true I like WWE too but some are just to stupid to understand some things but I'm not talking to you Mr.Canda Listen..you said that TNA could draw 10 K fans "easy" to a house show. WWE doesn't draw that many fans to house shows, therefore your claim would make TNA more popular than WWE. MrC is just showing you how and why - specifically, using actual data - you're wrong to make that claim that TNA could draw 10 k fans to a house show. Then lazorbeak re-affirmed it. This is a pretty unbiased board (TNA and WWE get it both equally imo) but it's a bad, bad place to use broad statements without being able to back them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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