The Official ROH Discussion Thread

[Warhawk8492]

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I hope this is not true. If it is I hope congress hit WWE with an anti trust lawsuit.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><a href="http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/3/22/15031236/report-wwe-discussions-buy-ring-of-honor-from-sinclair-broadcasting" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2017/3/22/15031236/report-wwe-discussions-buy-ring-of-honor-from-sinclair-broadcasting</a><p> </p><p> </p><p> I hope this is not true. If it is I hope congress hit WWE with an anti trust lawsuit.</p></div></blockquote><p> Nobody with any real power cares enough about wrestling to look into it. If they did they would've gone after Vince years and years ago for the patently ridiculous "independent contractor" thing. Aside from that, the McMahons are in tight with The Donald.</p><p> </p><p> I'm honestly bothered more by the comments, most of which are hoping this actually happens so the ROH tape library can go up on the network. Hey, who cares if the McMahons drive out every last semi-viable alternative to make a living and complete their monopoly, as long as we can watch old CM Punk matches on the WWE Network!</p>

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nobody with any real power cares enough about wrestling to look into it. If they did they would've gone after Vince years and years ago for the patently ridiculous "independent contractor" thing. Aside from that, the McMahons are in tight with The Donald.<p> </p><p> I'm honestly bothered more by the comments, most of which are hoping this actually happens so the ROH tape library can go up on the network. Hey, who cares if the McMahons drive out every last semi-viable alternative to make a living and complete their monopoly, as long as we can watch old CM Punk matches on the WWE Network!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I care and this will make me hate WWE. I hope the feds put them out of business if this happens.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I care and this will make me hate WWE. I hope the feds put them out of business if this happens.</div></blockquote><p> Don't get me wrong, I care too. I would HATE to see this happen. I'm just saying no one in the government, no one with the power to actually do anything to WWE, cares enough about wrestling to investigate something like this.</p><p> </p><p> I think there's a very real chance that WWE will have a true global monopoly within the next 5-10 years, and the entire business will be much poorer for it if it happens. If they manage to kill off New Japan in particular, I'll probably stop watching wrestling for good.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Don't get me wrong, I care too. I would HATE to see this happen. I'm just saying no one in the government, no one with the power to actually do anything to WWE, cares enough about wrestling to investigate something like this.<p> </p><p> I think there's a very real chance that WWE will have a true global monopoly within the next 5-10 years, and the entire business will be much poorer for it if it happens. If they manage to kill off New Japan in particular, I'll probably stop watching wrestling for good.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Death to the WWE</p>

[cappyboy]

<p>What are everybody's thoughts on the Top Prospect tournament this year? Been loving it this year but then I always do.</p><p> </p><p>

The final sure does appear to be quite the contrast. The fresh faced near rookie in Josh Woods and the guy who has a bit of history with the company already albeit as a jobber in John Skyler. And I don't know about anybody else but this seems to be a hard one to pick. On the one hand, Josh Woods could really fill a stylistic gap that's existed on the roster since Kyle O'Reilly left and RoH does seem to like those MMA-flavored guys. But Skyler seems more ready made and more prepared to take advantage of the TV title shot he'd win as a part of his prize for being Top Prospect. And even if Scurll beat him, Skyler could dust himself off and be ready for the next rivalry a lot quicker that Woods would. Woods may have ring talent but he'd need to be paired up with somebody who had a personality be it a tag team partner or a manager. And he doesn't feel nearly as ready for prime time as Skyler does either. My inner child is rooting for Woods because Skyler = bad man. My more grown up inner fan wants Skyler because he's better rounded. And the TEW player in me doesn't know which way to go because there are sound arguments for both guys.</p><p> </p><p>

And speaking of TEW, the tournament has provided some pretty good sparks of inspiration there as well. For example, if I'm playing John Skyler's home promotion in a real world mod right now, I'm itching to hire on Curt Stallion after that semifinal. Things got really in character chippy and the disrespect Skyler showed Stallion was quite extreme. If I'm a promoter, I want to build on that and see how far the Skyler/Stallion rivalry can go. Even if the foundation did happen in another company.</p><p> </p><p>

Or going back to the first round, if I'm playing RoH in a real mod, I want to keep Sean Carr around and build on the lack of focus he showed in his match. Maybe make it his gimmick. He clearly has the ring talent and the personality to be a worthy champion. But can he pull his head together well enough to make those gifts matter? That could be a very compelling undercard storyline as he worked his way up the ranks. </p><p> </p><p>

So much good stuff that's happened over the course of this tourney and such a strong field. I would hope the Top Prospect winner won't be the only one we get to see more of. If a Beer City Bruiser or Dalton Castle can come up short in the tourney and be a regular anyway, no reason a Sean Carr or Brian Milonas can't. Heck with the TK O'Ryan injury, I can see a case for Matt Taven and The Kingdom to recruit Raphael King and his mrs. Maybe with the Kings coming to see themselves as the natural heirs apparent to Mike and Maria Bennett even though this Kingdom was formed by Taven in his image. The potential that exists in the wake of this tourney is remarkable. Please, RoH, don't screw it up by overfixating on the Japanese guests once it's done</p>

[Blodyxe]

Will Ospreay vs. Jay White was the ultimate spot fest fellas, those two stole the show. Give it a watch if you're not allergic to this kind of wrestling

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blodyxe" data-cite="Blodyxe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Will Ospreay vs. Jay White was the ultimate spot fest fellas, those two stole the show. Give it a watch if you're not allergic to this kind of wrestling</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wait. Will Ospreay still exists in Ring of Honor? You sure wouldn't know it if the TV show is all the RoH you're able to watch.</p>

[The Final Countdown]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait. Will Ospreay still exists in Ring of Honor? You sure wouldn't know it if the TV show is all the RoH you're able to watch.</div></blockquote><p> One of the problems with taping so much TV at one time; guys like Ospreay who are only available on certain dates will pretty much disappear off the show. They're doing a taping on June 4th and both Ospreay and Scurll will be in Japan for the Best of the Super Juniors tournament, so they'll be missing from ROH TV for a while.</p>

[MightyDavidson]

One of the problems with taping so much TV at one time; guys like Ospreay who are only available on certain dates will pretty much disappear off the show. They're doing a taping on June 4th and both Ospreay and Scurll will be in Japan for the Best of the Super Juniors tournament, so they'll be missing from ROH TV for a while.

 

Actually if I'm not mistaken, the last show in the War of the Worlds series was a TV taping and Scrull was at it so he at least will be on TV for a bit.

[cappyboy]

<p>Looks like I'm in for a bunch of fast forwarding again with RoH TV. Just when I was getting comfortable with the notion of an RoH branch of Bullet Club and started not to feel choked on the group, they had to go and kick out Adam Cole in favor of Marty Scurll. And then had to have some guy who's a big nobody on the RoH landscape do the firing.</p><p> </p><p>

Now don't flame me. I get that Kenny Omega is a big deal international star. But as a viewer limited to the TV show, Omega's not anybody I have a way of relating to. So all this internal Bullet Club drama is a big snore. Personally, I'd gladly give up all the guys in Bullet Club that I otherwise enjoy like Cole, Cody Rhodes and Adam Page to never have to this outside nonsense inflicted on me ever again. As a Ring of Honor fan, I'd like to see Ring Of Honor talent. Including the lower card guys. Not a bunch of international superstar day trippers who are allegedly more interesting than the young prospects who will hopefully be tomorrow's main eventers I saw when.</p>

[BHK1978]

<p>Oh I hate the Bullet Club with a passion. I just do not get why people love them so much and people think they are "cool". I remember last yeah I sat behind some Bullet Club marks at a ROH pay-per-view (Sorry I do not recall which show it was, it was the ppv in Lowell, Massachusetts) and every damn time anything Bullet Club related happened they would do the "Two Sweet" hand gesture to each other. </p><p> </p><p>

The Bullet Club is nothing more than a poor man's NWO. Yes the in-ring talent is far better than the NWO but the Bullet Club cannot match the NWO's star power. Though a Bullet Club fan once tried to argue with me that they could and I laughed because one group had the face of wrestling in 1980's in it and the other have a bunch of indy guys. As much as I like AJ and Finn they will never be able to match Hogan's star power.</p><p> </p><p>

Also I despise Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks. It is one of those things that I am not sure why it is the case but it is.</p>

[cappyboy]

Oh I hate the Bullet Club with a passion. I just do not get why people love them so much and people think they are "cool". I remember last yeah I sat behind some Bullet Club marks at a ROH pay-per-view (Sorry I do not recall which show it was, it was the ppv in Lowell, Massachusetts) and every damn time anything Bullet Club related happened they would do the "Two Sweet" hand gesture to each other.

 

The Bullet Club is nothing more than a poor man's NWO. Yes the in-ring talent is far better than the NWO but the Bullet Club cannot match the NWO's star power. Though a Bullet Club fan once tried to argue with me that they could and I laughed because one group had the face of wrestling in 1980's in it and the other have a bunch of indy guys. As much as I like AJ and Finn they will never be able to match Hogan's star power.

 

Also I despise Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks. It is one of those things that I am not sure why it is the case but it is.

 

I'll tell you why those guys love Bullet Club and they think they are so cool. Because Bullet Club and anything related to it is so much bigger and more memorable than the marks believe possible in their own lives. These RoH Bullet Club marks are the Mt. Ararat cheerleader from Former Fishing Villageham, Maine who gets the chance to model Abercrombie & Fitch in the Portland Press Herald. They are the young Simpsons fan who finally gets to watch the show now because their parents wouldn't let them do it when the show was hip, edgy, and smart. Who don't realize the show's been on so long that now those of us who played Bart Vs The Space Mutants on our NES when it actually was cool tend to forget it's even still on. They are the Johnny come latelies who are so late to the party they don't care they are latecomers because at least they got to show up in the first place. In short, they are the unfortunate element elitists who hate pro wrestling seek to lump us all in with.

[The Final Countdown]

Wow. That seems a little...excessive.

 

Personally I'm not really a fan of the Bullet Club as a whole, though I do love Kenny Omega. That dude's one of the two or three best in the entire world right now.

 

For the record, they had to kick Adam Cole out of the Bullet Club for reasons beyond their control. (He's left ROH, and will almost assuredly turn up in NXT before the year is out.) I think Scurll was fine on his own and didn't need to join the BC, but I guess they figured they needed to try and replace Cole with someone of equivalent value.

[Jaysin]

So despite being a wrestling fan nearly my entire life(turned 30 last month), loved the nWo in the 90s, I'm a Johnny Come Lately for liking the Bullet Club?

 

The Young Bucks are overrated, but I like the group as a whole. They entertain me. I love Cody, Kenny Omega, Marty Scurll, Tama Tonga, Tanga Roa, and find Takahashi to be fairly underrated. Not to mention former members like AJ Styles, Gallows & Anderson, Devitt, and even the short term member Kazarian.

 

Sometimes I think a lot of fans forget wrestling is supposed to be fun and not everyone is going to enjoy every character out there. I'll never understand the "let's attack someone because their opinion is different" mentality. Sure, people can be annoying. To this day I can't stand ROHbots, yet I enjoy ROH as a whole. If it's not your cup of tea, cool, but don't be a jerk about it.

 

Also, pretty sure Marty only joined BC so they had a presence in the Best of the Super Juniors.

[cappyboy]

Wow. That seems a little...excessive.

 

Personally I'm not really a fan of the Bullet Club as a whole, though I do love Kenny Omega. That dude's one of the two or three best in the entire world right now.

 

Well I call them like I see them. Although to be fair, I can have a bit of a jaundiced eye on phenomena like Bullet Club. Seeing as I come from Former Fishing Villageham, Maine myself, I was always needing to find my own thing because trendy junk would get to me last. If it ever got to me at all. Which made the trendoids I was best able to be acquainted with look all the more ridiculous. Waiting for marching orders in one thing. Waiting potentially like Godot for them is another.

 

I do try to be positive as a general rule and recognize that it takes all kinds to fill up a world. But with trends as annoying as Bullet Club, that resolve can slip as I revert to the small town kid of years ago. I apologize to anybody my blunt assessment may have offended.

 

For the record, they had to kick Adam Cole out of the Bullet Club for reasons beyond their control. (He's left ROH, and will almost assuredly turn up in NXT before the year is out.) I think Scurll was fine on his own and didn't need to join the BC, but I guess they figured they needed to try and replace Cole with someone of equivalent value.

 

Probably true from a behind the scenes perspective. Doesn't do a darn thing to help my interest level though. All it does is remind me that Bullet Club is an outside concern stepping all over the guys I want to see and treating them as unimportant by comparison. Let Bullet Club hash all this nonsense out on their own time. I don't want to see their internal struggles as a centerpiece of RoH programming. I'd much rather see Bullet Club either contesting RoH-oriented matters as they had been doing or RoH guys rising up against them to fight for their "rightful" place on the company landscape. As far as I'm concerned as an RoH fan, this internal Bullet Club drama is really none of my business.

[The Final Countdown]

<p>So I went to an ROH event a couple of days ago, which was the first show I'd been to with any sort of Bullet Club presence.</p><p> </p><p>

Some of those fans really are annoying as heck. Chanting "2 Sweet" after every near fall would be tolerable if they only did it during the two Bullet Club matches on the show, but they did it all night, <em>every single time</em> anyone got a 2 count. Kenny King even mocked them for it. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[cappyboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I went to an ROH event a couple of days ago, which was the first show I'd been to with any sort of Bullet Club presence.<p> </p><p> Some of those fans really are annoying as heck. Chanting "2 Sweet" after every near fall would be tolerable if they only did it during the two Bullet Club matches on the show, but they did it all night, <em>every single time</em> anyone got a 2 count. Kenny King even mocked them for it. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Color me scared. Color me very, very scared. Being on Kenny King's side about anything is very unsettling.</p>

[Jaysin]

From my experience, every ROH show has annoying fans regardless of the talent on the show

 

The last one I went to a group of guys larger than Todd Sinclair kept yelling out how fat he was. This happened EVERY match Todd reffed.

[Warhawk8492]

ROH Best In The World was great. The main event was awesome. I would recommend watching it.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Warhawk8492" data-cite="Warhawk8492" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>ROH Best In The World was great. The main event was awesome. I would recommend watching it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I just got home from the show (I live an hour and half away) and I agree it was a great show. The only match I did not watch was the Young Bucks because...well I can't stand them and so that was my bathroom break match. I did see the end of the match. </p><p> </p><p> The crowd really loved Dalton Castle and any members of the Bullet Club that were on the show. Well maybe not Adam Page, but the rest of the Bullet Club got pretty good to great reactions. I still don't get why ROH fans go nuts for the Bullet Club but there is no question that they are very over.</p><p> </p><p> <em>Edited to add:</em> I was a little annoyed that the show started at 9 pm instead of 8. To me that is kind of a dumb to start a three hour show that late when you are filming on the east coast. I wonder if the feed is cheaper the later you start a show and that is why ROH films to late.</p>

[cappyboy]

<p>Is it my imagination of has the RoH World Title race suddenly turned to gossamer? I have no doubt the Christopher Daniels/Cody Rhodes match was a strong contest or that whoever won is a worthy champ. But who really is there to challenge the winner for the title? It's getting hard to figure out people for that.</p><p> </p><p>

Annoying as they both were, Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish are two common choices who are now both gone. Adam Cole has every appearance of joining them at some point soon. The Briscoes have spent the first half of this year on a fringe belt that never lasts. Projects like Cedric Alexander and Moose who should be in the mix were chased away. The only Top Prospect of the last five to have held any singles gold is Matt Taven. And that's been long enough ago newer fans could be forgiven for not knowing he'd ever had that reign. Colt Cabana appears to be done altogether with all the commentary he's doing lately. Jay Lethal I see and there is the attempt to crash course Silas Young into a viable option. But beyond that, the pool looks pretty empty.</p>

[Warhawk8492]

After he is done feuding with Lethal, Silas might have to turn face to feud with The Bullet Club.

[Mootinie]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="cappyboy" data-cite="cappyboy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="26106" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is it my imagination of has the RoH World Title race suddenly turned to gossamer? I have no doubt the Christopher Daniels/Cody Rhodes match was a strong contest or that whoever won is a worthy champ. But who really is there to challenge the winner for the title? It's getting hard to figure out people for that.<p> </p><p> Annoying as they both were, Kyle O'Reilly and Bobby Fish are two common choices who are now both gone. Adam Cole has every appearance of joining them at some point soon. The Briscoes have spent the first half of this year on a fringe belt that never lasts. Projects like Cedric Alexander and Moose who should be in the mix were chased away. The only Top Prospect of the last five to have held any singles gold is Matt Taven. And that's been long enough ago newer fans could be forgiven for not knowing he'd ever had that reign. Colt Cabana appears to be done altogether with all the commentary he's doing lately. Jay Lethal I see and there is the attempt to crash course Silas Young into a viable option. But beyond that, the pool looks pretty empty.</p></div></blockquote><p> Yeah it's a very real problem because there's so many opportunities elsewhere. You can go to TNA and only work a week every month and get guaranteed money or you can chance your arm on the independent scene in the US, try to get into EVOLVE and wait for the WWE call. Failing that you can go to Japan like ACH and Michael Elgin, where's so much going on that you're always going to be doing something. ACH went from working useless six man tags to wrestling Ibushi at the Tokyo Dome... It's no surprise people walk when they find themselves stuck in the mud and, from what I've heard, Delirious is hard to reach which only further frustrates genuine talent like Cedric Alexander that should be getting a push.</p>

[Jaysin]

I thought Best in the World was a pretty good show. Cody and Daniels was the match of the night, but Bully Ray and Dalton Castle were the MVPs.

 

I still hate Matt Taven. No matter how they dress him up, he's bland and boring. His partner is a goober. I wish Terrible and Ultimo Guerrero had better opponents because despite their age, they were still looking pretty good in the ring.