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[Jaysin]

Just watched Archer 1999 in one sitting. Its bitter sweet they’re returning to their normal spy shenanigans. I enjoy the wacky alternative stories, but I love the spy spoof stuff as well.

[Jaysin]

Realized I still had Amazon Prime, so I started The Boys. Pretty good so far.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Euphoria - Crazy show. Lots of nudity and drugs. Soundtrack was amazing. Liked Zendaya's performance.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I feel like that sort of show has been done thousands of times over. All style very little substance. Maybe it is a generational thing, as I am obviously not in the demo for who would like that.</p><p> </p><p> It looks like I stopped watching Dr. Who at the correct time. From what I read and reviews on YouTube they just destroyed that show. They just retconned the entire cannon of the show. </p><p> </p><p> For what?</p><p> </p><p> Why do shows/movies keep on doing this sort of nonsense? Do they enjoy watching their audiences leave in droves?</p><p> </p><p> I saw it coming near the end of the Peter Capaldi era and the moment they announced Jodie as the Doctor I knew exactly where they were going with the show.</p><p> </p><p> It sucks because I loved Broadchurch (I even liked the American version) and to know that Chris Chibnall was responsible for that great piece of television and then he was also responsible for the complete destruction of Dr. Who is mind boggling to me. </p><p> </p><p> I guess I will just stick to watching all of my old 3rd Doctor (He was not my favorite, that would be the 2nd Doctor but so little of the 2nd Doctor's episodes remain) episodes. Yeah they look bad visually by today's standards but the stories were far better written.</p>

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I feel like that sort of show has been done thousands of times over. All style very little substance. Maybe it is a generational thing, as I am obviously not in the demo for who would like that.<p> </p><p> It looks like I stopped watching Dr. Who at the correct time. From what I read and reviews on YouTube they just destroyed that show. They just retconned the entire cannon of the show. </p><p> </p><p> For what?</p><p> </p><p> Why do shows/movies keep on doing this sort of nonsense? Do they enjoy watching their audiences leave in droves?</p><p> </p><p> I saw it coming near the end of the Peter Capaldi era and the moment they announced Jodie as the Doctor I knew exactly where they were going with the show.</p><p> </p><p> It sucks because I loved Broadchurch (I even liked the American version) and to know that Chris Chibnall was responsible for that great piece of television and then he was also responsible for the complete destruction of Dr. Who is mind boggling to me. </p><p> </p><p> I guess I will just stick to watching all of my old 3rd Doctor (He was not my favorite, that would be the 2nd Doctor but so little of the 2nd Doctor's episodes remain) episodes. Yeah they look bad visually by today's standards but the stories were far better written.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've been a massive fan of Doctor Who since I was a kid in the 80s and that will never change. I'm willing to overlook it's flaws more than most. S12 was superior to S11, IMO, except for Orphan 55 which was the worst episode in a long time. The Haunting of Villa Diodati is my favorite of the Chibnall/Jodie era. The opening 2 parter, Fugitive of the Judoon and Tesla episodes were really fun.</p><p> </p><p> As for the canon-altering finale... I understand how derisive it was but it didn't bother me. It presents a new take on the Time Lords origin story in much the same way the Cartmel Plan/NA novels did but left enough mystery to be explored at a later date or shelved for good. The canon has been evolving in various forms since the 60s, with lots of inconsistencies. Different writers and showrunners have their own ideas. RTD and Moffat were the same. It's just a matter of whether you liked the execution or not.</p><p> </p><p> Anyway, here's a good Chibnall parody you might enjoy: </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/9_nveuzZbxo?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Chibs (A Doctor Who Parody)"></iframe></div></div>

[BHK1978]

I've been a massive fan of Doctor Who since I was a kid in the 80s and that will never change. I'm willing to overlook it's flaws more than most.

 

Even the Colin Baker era... I actually do not mind him, I mean he was my least favorite of the original Doctors.

 

As for the canon-altering finale... I understand how derisive it was but it didn't bother me. It presents a new take on the Time Lords origin story in much the same way the Cartmel Plan/NA novels did but left enough mystery to be explored at a later date or shelved for good. The canon has been evolving in various forms since the 60s, with lots of inconsistencies. Different writers and showrunners have their own ideas. RTD and Moffat were the same. It's just a matter of whether you liked the execution or not.

 

While what you say is true, I don't recall anyone ever taking a sledgehammer to it. It made the previous Doctors less special. William Hartnell was always the first Doctor, now we have no idea what number he is. Plus killing kids is never a good idea and they did something very similar to Jack Harkness in an episode of Torchwood (Meaning they killed him over and over again.). Therefore, the idea was not even original.

 

As I said previously, I was never a fan of having a woman playing the role of the Doctor. I knew it was more driven by agenda than anything else.

 

I never like race or gender swaps of any characters (The only exception to that rule would be Starbuck from BSG). I find it lazy, because it shows me that they cannot think of new interesting characters. They instead have to leech off already beloved and established characters. If they had made a series with say Susan Foreman or Romana I would have watched it (Unless the writing was too agenda driven), but they had to make the Doctor turn into a woman. Because reasons...

[Sco xY2Jx]

Well, finished Line Of Duty (the first 4 series on Netflix, at least) and it is an excellent show. Realise the 5th is on iplayer across here in the UK but I realised that after I decided to watch an episode of the Tiger King on Netflix.

Only watched the first ep to see what the fuss was about and if I could understand all the meme references.

Now it has my curiosity that I have to see it out.

 

Anyone else hopped on that bandwagon? Is it really as bonkers as people have hyped it to be? I'm not familiar with the Joe Exotic story.

[milamber]

Even the Colin Baker era... I actually do not mind him, I mean he was my least favorite of the original Doctors.

 

 

 

While what you say is true, I don't recall anyone ever taking a sledgehammer to it. It made the previous Doctors less special. William Hartnell was always the first Doctor, now we have no idea what number he is. Plus killing kids is never a good idea and they did something very similar to Jack Harkness in an episode of Torchwood (Meaning they killed him over and over again.). Therefore, the idea was not even original.

 

As I said previously, I was never a fan of having a woman playing the role of the Doctor. I knew it was more driven by agenda than anything else.

 

I never like race or gender swaps of any characters (The only exception to that rule would be Starbuck from BSG). I find it lazy, because it shows me that they cannot think of new interesting characters. They instead have to leech off already beloved and established characters. If they had made a series with say Susan Foreman or Romana I would have watched it (Unless the writing was too agenda driven), but they had to make the Doctor turn into a woman. Because reasons...

 

The original script of Power of the Daleks by David Whittaker mentioned that the Doctor had "renewed" before and he wore a metal bracelet and large earring now stored in a drawer of the console. John Peel described this in his novelization of the story. Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes themselves confirmed in interviews that the Morbius Doctors were intended to be pre-Hartnell despite fans trying to say otherwise. Chibnall just expanded on that and linked it to his Time Lord origin story.

 

[dvdWarrior]

Well, I watched the new Star Trek: Picard. Saw the first four or five episodes, anyway. To steal a line from Jim Cornette: "For the people that like that sort of thing... this was the sort of thing they like." Wasn't really feeling it myself, sadly, which is why I stopped after only a few episodes. Too much violence, way too much profanity, and way, (way, WAY) too much killing... with next to nothing in the way of consequences for all that killing.

 

Just felt nothing at all like the Star Trek Universe to me, and everything I've always loved about the Trek franchise seemed glaringly, painfully absent here.

 

I don't know. Your mileage may vary, I guess. I just didn't really feel it all that much, is all.

 

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The original script of Power of the Daleks by David Whittaker mentioned that the Doctor had "renewed" before and he wore a metal bracelet and large earring now stored in a drawer of the console. John Peel described this in his novelization of the story. Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes themselves confirmed in interviews that the Morbius Doctors were intended to be pre-Hartnell despite fans trying to say otherwise. Chibnall just expanded on that and linked it to his Time Lord origin story.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> None of it made the actual show though. I honestly think that Chibnall saw the backlash and did that as a screw you to the fans that did not like the direction he was taking the into.</p><p> </p><p> My argument about how the Doctor should not have been a woman has more standing and people have flipped out on me over that. When the Time Lords were first introduced at the end of War Games they told the 2nd Doctor he would be allowed to pick how he was going to look in his next incarnation. None of the faces shown were female (I understand with it being 1969 and all that might have not gone over well). Therefore, my theory was that with only male options the Doctor was only meant to be male. Of course they changed that around with the new series.</p><p> </p><p> I did not watch the season finale or any of her run for that matter. To me, from what I have read about the episode, it killed off any mystique that the Time Lords had. I always felt we were never really supposed to know about their origins. They were this omnipresent race of people (Or I guess aliens) who had this all power to help the universe and yet they chose not to do so. They were not supposed to be villains or heroes, they were just morally grey. </p><p> </p><p> That one episode turned them into outright villains and destroyed the air of mystery that had been around them since 1969. </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dvdWarrior" data-cite="dvdWarrior" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, I watched the new Star Trek: Picard. Saw the first four or five episodes, anyway. To steal a line from Jim Cornette: "For the people that like that sort of thing... this was the sort of thing they like." Wasn't really feeling it myself, sadly, which is why I stopped after only a few episodes. Too much violence, way too much profanity, and way, (way, WAY) too much killing... with next to nothing in the way of consequences for all that killing. <p> </p><p> Just felt nothing at all like the Star Trek Universe to me, and everything I've always loved about the Trek franchise seemed glaringly, painfully absent here.</p><p> </p><p> I don't know. Your mileage may vary, I guess. I just didn't really feel it all that much, is all.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Do you like Star Trek: Discovery?</p><p> </p><p> I personally never watched either show because I am cheap and refuse to pay for CBS' streaming service (I hate the fact that a major network has a streaming service).</p><p> </p><p> I have heard mixed reviews about both shows. From what you have said in the past, I know you are a big Star Trek fan so I would be interested in how you feel about Discovery.</p>

[dvdWarrior]

<p>Well, I've seen every episode of Discovery. Haven't felt especially compelled to watch any of them a second time just yet, so there is that. I will say this: Anson Mount is very good as Captain Pike, and Ethan Peck was better than I expected as Spock. </p><p> </p><p>

Doug Jones is pretty good as Saru as well, but for the most part... I'm not sure the fine folks currently in charge of the Star Trek universe really know what they're doing.</p><p> </p><p>

If I had to rank all the Star Trek shows, both Picard and Discovery would be closer to the bottom than the top for me.</p><p> </p><p>

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[milamber]

None of it made the actual show though. I honestly think that Chibnall saw the backlash and did that as a screw you to the fans that did not like the direction he was taking the into.

 

My argument about how the Doctor should not have been a woman has more standing and people have flipped out on me over that. When the Time Lords were first introduced at the end of War Games they told the 2nd Doctor he would be allowed to pick how he was going to look in his next incarnation. None of the faces shown were female (I understand with it being 1969 and all that might have not gone over well). Therefore, my theory was that with only male options the Doctor was only meant to be male. Of course they changed that around with the new series.

 

My last few comments since it's clear we have opposite opinions.

 

Chibnall is on record as saying he doesn't pay attention to fans. However, last season he went with his own style but this season he incorporated more mythology in a way that made it feel more like the RTD and Moffat eras. The Timeless Child was namedropped in last season so it seems like this was his plan all along.

 

The Doctor becoming a woman came after the Master already did it in the Moffat era. He opened that can of worms not Chibnall. RTD probably would have had a female Doctor as well if he hadn't been the first new showrunner.

 

Romana was the first Time Lady/Lord to be shown on-screen choosing to regenerate and in which manner, much like the Time Lords did on the Doctor's behalf years earlier. She changed into 4 different bodies. 2 were clearly alien (including the Astra body she settled on). The other 2 looked vaguely like human historical figures. She probably would have turned into a male as well but it was the 80s so just like in the 60s or 70s it was a no go. This level of control over regeneration was new to canon at the time.

[BHK1978]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dvdWarrior" data-cite="dvdWarrior" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, I've seen every episode of Discovery. Haven't felt especially compelled to watch any of them a second time just yet, so there is that. I will say this: Anson Mount is very good as Captain Pike, and Ethan Peck was better than I expected as Spock. <p> </p><p> Doug Jones is pretty good as Saru as well, but for the most part... I'm not sure the fine folks currently in charge of the Star Trek universe really know what they're doing.</p><p> </p><p> If I had to rank all the Star Trek shows, both Picard and Discovery would be closer to the bottom than the top for me.</p><p> </p><p> <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> With the poor fan feedback I am seeing in regards to Picard and Discovery, does that mean that Enterprise is moving up in the eyes of fans? Because I actually enjoyed Enterprise but it seems I might have been one of the few who actually did.<img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> If you are a fan of Westerns you should check out Anson Mount on Hell on Wheels. It was such a great show and he was awesome on it. Plus Christopher Heyerdahl as the Swede has to be one of my favorite villains ever on a television show. Well Christopher Heyerdahl as Sam on Van Helsing is great as well, very creepy. I guess he was born to play good villains.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My last few comments since it's clear we have opposite opinions.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am all for agreeing to disagree. It is always nice to have a civil conversation with someone who might not agree with you. So I thank you for that.</p>

[dvdWarrior]

With the poor fan feedback I am seeing in regards to Picard and Discovery, does that mean that Enterprise is moving up in the eyes of fans? Because I actually enjoyed Enterprise but it seems I might have been one of the few who actually did.

 

If you are a fan of Westerns you should check out Anson Mount on Hell on Wheels. It was such a great show and he was awesome on it. Plus Christopher Heyerdahl as the Swede has to be one of my favorite villains ever on a television show. Well Christopher Heyerdahl as Sam on Van Helsing is great as well, very creepy. I guess he was born to play good villains.

 

Oh, I loved Enterprise from the beginning. Never understood why it didn't get the love from the fandom as a whole.

 

And, yeah. I definitely remember Hell On Wheels very well! That was a good show. If that's available on Netflix or anywhere, I might have to jump back into that one, it's been a while.

 

[Sco xY2Jx]

<p>So after catching up wholly on Line Of Duty with all 5 seasons, the wife and I are now in need of something new to watch. We've got a shortlist of generally considered to be great shows we haven't watched yet. I'll list and maybe someone can suggest something strongly to go next with:</p><p> </p><p>

Sons of Anarchy</p><p>

Breaking Bad </p><p>

True Detective</p><p>

The Sopranos</p><p>

Boardwalk Empire</p><p>

Peaky Blinders</p><p>

The Crown </p><p>

Russian Doll</p><p>

In Treatment</p><p>

Deadwood</p><p>

The Wire</p><p> </p><p>

We've seen some excellent TV shows through the years but 2 kids and no free time have left us lagging behind.</p>

[milamber]

Breaking Bad followed by the prequel series Better Call Saul. Sequel movie El Camino on Netflix optional.

[BHK1978]

So after catching up wholly on Line Of Duty with all 5 seasons, the wife and I are now in need of something new to watch. We've got a shortlist of generally considered to be great shows we haven't watched yet. I'll list and maybe someone can suggest something strongly to go next with:

 

Sons of Anarchy

Breaking Bad

True Detective

The Sopranos

Boardwalk Empire

Peaky Blinders

The Crown

Russian Doll

In Treatment

Deadwood

The Wire

 

We've seen some excellent TV shows through the years but 2 kids and no free time have left us lagging behind.

 

Just some thoughts on your list.

 

I never saw the Crown (Though I have heard great things about it), Russian Doll (That is the only one I have never heard of on the list), and only saw two episodes of Peaky Blinders (It was good but I got rid of Netflix before I could watch more).

 

Out of what is left I would say Deadwood though a good show is probably the weakest. The dialogue can be tough to understand at times because they tend to have the characters speak in this odd almost Shakespearean way of speaking. Now I am no expert on how people spoke in the Dakota territories in the 1870's, but I do know enough about history to know that the vast majority of them were not well educated and so I highly doubt they spoke like that. Maybe that is a me thing but it does detract from my viewing experience.

 

In Treatment was good, especially the first season but it could get very boring at times.

 

The first and third seasons of True Detective were both very good, season one was slightly better. But season two was a steaming pile of dog crap. The writing was terrible and it also seemed to have unrealistic dialogue. The writers just did not write the way people talk. The only highlight for me was Rachel McAdams being on that season and that is more because I find her highly attractive. They sure did not give her good material to work with.

 

Boardwalk Empire was a very good show, but once again this is a me thing, it was not historically accurate. Which did bother me as I am fairly knowledgeable of this time period. But if you can put that aside then it is a moot point.

 

Out of the other four shows, it would be like asking a parent to choose which kid they like. I guess SOA is probably the weakest out of the four but it was a fantastic show.

 

Personally I would probably have to go with the Wire. But it is a very tough call.

 

The Sopranos episode called the Pine Barrens is one of my favorite television episodes of all-time. It was so well written and actually very funny. I try to watch that episode at least once a year.

[bestbitter]

So after catching up wholly on Line Of Duty with all 5 seasons, the wife and I are now in need of something new to watch. We've got a shortlist of generally considered to be great shows we haven't watched yet. I'll list and maybe someone can suggest something strongly to go next with:

 

Sons of Anarchy

Breaking Bad

True Detective

The Sopranos

Boardwalk Empire

Peaky Blinders

The Crown

Russian Doll

In Treatment

Deadwood

The Wire

 

We've seen some excellent TV shows through the years but 2 kids and no free time have left us lagging behind.

 

Out of the shows I have seen this is the order I would rate them.

 

1. The Sopranos

2. Deadwood

3. Sons of Anarchy

4. Breaking Bad

 

In my view, The Sopranos is the best show ever. Fantastic characters and dialogue and very few 'bad' episodes.

 

Next I rate Deadwood a close second, sometimes what the characters are saying can be a little difficult to understand but it is very well written.

 

Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad are both close for me but I personally feel that Breaking Bad went on a season too long and most of the characters are quite unlikeable.

 

Of the other shows on your list I have watched a couple of seasons of The Wire and while it is very good I find that you need to have subtitles on to understand what the characters are saying! Or maybe that's just me!

 

True Detective I have seen a couple of episodes of the first season but it has not really gripped me and Boardwalk Empire and Peaky Blinders are both on my to watch list! The others on your list I have either not heard of or am not interested in!

[Jaysin]

There are two types of people in the world. Those who love The Wire and those who haven't seen The Wire. Legitimately one of the greatest shows of all time. Can't recommend it enough.

[milamber]

So after enjoying Scissor Seven I opened up Netflix (Australian version) and added a bunch of anime shows to my shortlist.

 

Watched Violet Evergarden and the follow-up movie. Beautiful animation, music and voice acting. I really like how they flesh out the guest characters, giving each episode emotional weight. I'm very happy Netflix has everything in original language with subtitles. From watching Joshi wrestling I've grown to love the Japanese language and accents.

 

Started Little Witch Academia and Teasing Master Tagaki-San this week. Both are formulaic but fun with charming and relatable characters.

[Jaysin]

Finished BoJack Horseman finally. Very good and a satisfying ending.

 

Next up is Pendleton Ward's(Adventure Time, Bravest Warriors) newest creation, Midnight Gospel.

 

After that I'll probably give Last Kingdom a shot. My brother rants and raves about it.

[Kijar]

I miss BoJack already.

 

Anybody else watch Dave on FX?

[Jaysin]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So after enjoying Scissor Seven I opened up Netflix (Australian version) and added a bunch of anime shows to my shortlist.<p> </p><p> Watched Violet Evergarden and the follow-up movie. Beautiful animation, music and voice acting. I really like how they flesh out the guest characters, giving each episode emotional weight. I'm very happy Netflix has everything in original language with subtitles. From watching Joshi wrestling I've grown to love the Japanese language and accents.</p><p> </p><p> Started Little Witch Academia and Teasing Master Tagaki-San this week. Both are formulaic but fun with charming and relatable characters.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not sure if it's on Australian Netflix, but I started the anime Revisions last night and I'm really enjoying it. It's a Mecha anime.</p>

[milamber]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="27929" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Not sure if it's on Australian Netflix, but I started the anime Revisions last night and I'm really enjoying it. It's a Mecha anime.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Added it to my list.</p>

[Jaysin]

Added it to my list.

 

It gets a little boring in the middle, but picks back up. I only have two episodes left and it's pretty enjoyable overall.

[BHK1978]

Line of Duty has been great thus far. I am a little late to this show but they just started showing it in the States on AMC, probably because of Lennie James' popularity on TWD and FTWD, they only showed the first season thus far. I see that Keeley Hawes is going to be on the next season which is great because she was great on Ashes to Ashes, so I am looking forward to seeing her on there.

 

One thing that was weird was when I was sitting watching the first episode of Line of Duty and I saw Adrian Dunbar I kept on saying, "What show was he from, I know he was a villain and his name was Martin. But what show was it." I looked it up and it was Ashes to Ashes. I am not sure how I was able to remember his character's name from that show but I did.