christmas_ape Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="KnowYourEnemy" data-cite="KnowYourEnemy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34866" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>On the Real World front, I plan on running WCW sans Hulkster and Ric Flair in '93 at some point. <p> </p><p> A lot, for me, depends on C-Verse changes. I have been thinking of a "Monday Night" TCW/SWF Wars with Vince Russo playing TCW and Jim Cornette playing SWF -- and possibly Bischoff running USPW if they are still National. But that'll probably wait until I've finished/my file has corrupted/I lose interest in my 2013 RTG Diary. </p><p> </p><p> If there is another multiplayer diary attempt [draft? etc?] I've wanted to start a "fantasy" promotion -- using wrestling to "act out" a play -- sort of like Circe De Solei in a ring. I'd probably use a medieval Japanese setting and incorporate aspects from mythology, Anime and Kabuki Theater. The match specifications -- rules and types -- would borrow heavily from Japanese Junior and Lucha Libre.</p><p> </p><p> Finishers would be heavily protected, as would very impressive moves -- essentially, the audience has already bought the premise of "work" and "suspended disbelief" -- so old-school ring work can be integrated with heavy kayfabe -- in the ring, I will incorporate a lot of puroresu. </p><p> </p><p> The company would be completely integrated and have a strict weight limit (lightweight or middleweight). Masks, while not required, are heavily encouraged, and the referees will have period costume -- the announcers will observe the action from the audiences vantage point. There will also be a "special set" -- sort of like the temple in Lucha Underground. </p><p> </p><p> I think new additions will let me bring this particular vision to life -- if I ever won the lottery and could run a wrestling company, this would be the one I'd invest in.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I definitely like the fantasy promotion idea, don't think it would need to be a multiplayer game?</p><p> </p><p> I've not seen anybody talking about another 8RoW style diary. It's a shame really because if even 3 or 4 promotions kept it going for any decent length of time it would definitely be a really interesting read. But it's rare enough that single player ones last never mind multiplayer. I've been part of a couple myself, and the planning stages of a few more, always had a really good team who enjoyed bouncing ideas of each other but I think you need some luck to keep a good 2/3/4+ people interested for any decent length of time.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I definitely like the fantasy promotion idea, don't think it would need to be a multiplayer game? I've not seen anybody talking about another 8RoW style diary. It's a shame really because if even 3 or 4 promotions kept it going for any decent length of time it would definitely be a really interesting read. But it's rare enough that single player ones last never mind multiplayer. I've been part of a couple myself, and the planning stages of a few more, always had a really good team who enjoyed bouncing ideas of each other but I think you need some luck to keep a good 2/3/4+ people interested for any decent length of time. What I always find funny about those diaries is the amount of hype people put behind it and they never work. Sure they might last one or two shows but that is usually it. Like you said it is tough getting that amount of people to work together and that is why most of those type of dairies are doomed to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Asaemon Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 I'm planning my 2016 diary with a custom 2016 promotion (with both default workers and GDS community created workers). What is the result if you mix TWL, SCCW and AAFW with modern influences and also throw in some Clockwork Orange, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Sadistic Clowns, Vincent Van Gross and a couple of spoiled brat kids whose father is a squillionaire from Texas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Asaemon Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 <p>Coming to TEW 2016 --> This Ain't Wisneyland</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Jesse%20James%20Johnson.jpg</span><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Sinister%20The%20Clown.jpg</span><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Bloodlust%202.jpg</span><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Biohazard%204.jpg</span><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Pit%20Viper.jpg</span><span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Shane%20Sawyer%202.jpg</span><p> </p><p> <strong>The Rasslin' Revolution are coming to TEW 2016!</strong></p><p> </p><p> No comedy, No SWF, No TCW and No USPW; just hard-hitting, rebel, badass Lone Star action!</p><p> </p><p> <span>http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee489/asaemon/RRA/Rasslin%20Revolution.jpg</span></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Badass Texans, Legitimate Athletes, Stretchers, Shooters, Daredevil Highfliers, Toughguys, Deranged Inbreeds, Insane Clowns and Alex and the Droogs!</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> Join the Revolution!</strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> --> Sign up/Create a worker and/or non worker thread will be created in the new TEW 2016 forums. <---</strong></p></div><p></p><p></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentleman Raven Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 January 1991... "In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity." ~ Sun Tzu, A Arte da Guerra World Championship Wrestling... "One mark of a great soldier is that he fight on his own terms or fights not at all." ~ Sun Tzu, The Art of War Coming Soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Will have Fall Brawl in my Clash of the Titans dynasty posted sometime this weekend, so feel free to catch up and make predictions before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kijar Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The only negative to TEW 2016 coming out is how badly I want to start a new diary. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kijar" data-cite="Kijar" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34866" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The only negative to TEW 2016 coming out is how badly I want to start a new diary. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Right? I feel you dude!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbicus Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 What is the board code for posting embed youtube videos here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LigerLiger Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I was thinking of making a watcher diary,with a very smarky guy reviewing a few shows,would it be a good idea?How would you reccomend you to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 <p>CGC Diary?</p><p> </p><p> Been a lurker for a very long time, and started up TEW 2013 again juuuuust in time for the announcement of TEW 2016. Been thinking of writing up a narrative about an angle for Canadian Golden Combat, where Trent Shaffer creates a new stable based on the idea of being sick and tired of the Elite and the DeColts hogging all the spotlight (I admit I have been riding that feud <strong>hard</strong> to get ratings). This new stable forces the DeColt family and the Elite to do an enemy mine and come together to fight off this upstart threat. I'm thinking of setting it up to be nearly a year's run, from the ending of the DeColt WrestleFestival's Day 2 through to the next year's DeColt WrestleFestival Day 2. Wouldn't hotshot directly into the feud, probably wait until the In the Company of Legends PPV for things to really get hot.</p><p> </p><p> Would anyone have any interest in this diary? Or is TEW 2016 being the new hotness (I mean that seriously, I am stoked for it to come out) mean that I ought to wait and do my first diary once it's out?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Been a lurker for a very long time, and started up TEW 2013 again juuuuust in time for the announcement of TEW 2016. Been thinking of writing up a narrative about an angle for Canadian Golden Combat, where Trent Shaffer creates a new stable based on the idea of being sick and tired of the Elite and the DeColts hogging all the spotlight (I admit I have been riding that feud hard to get ratings). This new stable forces the DeColt family and the Elite to do an enemy mine and come together to fight off this upstart threat. I'm thinking of setting it up to be nearly a year's run, from the ending of the DeColt WrestleFestival's Day 2 through to the next year's DeColt WrestleFestival Day 2. Wouldn't hotshot directly into the feud, probably wait until the In the Company of Legends PPV for things to really get hot. Would anyone have any interest in this diary? Or is TEW 2016 being the new hotness (I mean that seriously, I am stoked for it to come out) mean that I ought to wait and do my first diary once it's out? I'd go for the diary just now if you've got ideas that you're wanting to get out. I dig the hook you've got with Shaffer rising up and forcing a collaboration between DeColt and Elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncrewed Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 In what will be my final dynasty (probably) for TEW 2013, I have decided to do something that I have never tried... http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/Uncrewed/Dragon%20Gate%202016/Dragon%20Gate_zpslla8whgv.jpg DRAGON GATE! More specifically, what happens when this guy http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/Uncrewed/Dragon%20Gate%202016/CIMA_zpskbrym8m4.jpg becomes owner and booker of Dragon Gate So, join me for DRAGON GATE 2016: OPEN THE WORLD GATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 In what will be my final dynasty (probably) for TEW 2013, I have decided to do something that I have never tried... http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/Uncrewed/Dragon%20Gate%202016/Dragon%20Gate_zpslla8whgv.jpg DRAGON GATE! More specifically, what happens when this guy http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/Uncrewed/Dragon%20Gate%202016/CIMA_zpskbrym8m4.jpg becomes owner and booker of Dragon Gate So, join me for DRAGON GATE 2016: OPEN THE WORLD GATE Let's do this. Warp Speed BLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Cyber Kong for the Dream Gate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 What is a reasonable posting schedule for a diary? I play, and write, fairly quickly. I could do one a day most weekdays, honestly, maybe more on a weekend day. That said, I don't want to spam the forums. Nor do I want to lose anyone who might want to follow but feels crushed by a tsunami of posts. What do you all think I should do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Scott Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 What is a reasonable posting schedule for a diary? I play, and write, fairly quickly. I could do one a day most weekdays, honestly, maybe more on a weekend day. That said, I don't want to spam the forums. Nor do I want to lose anyone who might want to follow but feels crushed by a tsunami of posts. What do you all think I should do? I feel like a show every other day is a good pace. Maybe even every 2 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BHK1978 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="kingjames" data-cite="kingjames" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34866" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What is a reasonable posting schedule for a diary? I play, and write, fairly quickly. I could do one a day most weekdays, honestly, maybe more on a weekend day. That said, I don't want to spam the forums. Nor do I want to lose anyone who might want to follow but feels crushed by a tsunami of posts. What do you all think I should do?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This may come across as a non-answer but I would say go at whatever pace is good for you. Find what works for you, just be weary of doing too much because you could end up burning yourself out. </p><p> </p><p> If I was reading a diary that was updated everyday I am not sure I would stick around in all honesty. Obviously I can only speak for myself I would lose interest quickly because I would fall behind because I do not make it a habit to check out the diary section everyday. Now there are readers who would gladly read a dairy everyday, I am just not one of them.</p><p> </p><p> To me, as a reader, a reasonable rate would be one or two shows a week if you can keep up that kind of pace.</p><p> </p><p> You updating your diary is not really spamming the forums, or at least I would not consider it to be. The people who used to do stuff like the twenty-four hour warnings or the ones who used to reply to each post individually are the people that I would consider to be spammers. An actual update should never be considered spam.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 I generally tend to post shows at least 24 hours after my latest prediction. I like to give my readers plenty of time to catch up if they've fallen behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mark Smark Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 What is a reasonable posting schedule for a diary? I play, and write, fairly quickly. I could do one a day most weekdays, honestly, maybe more on a weekend day. That said, I don't want to spam the forums. Nor do I want to lose anyone who might want to follow but feels crushed by a tsunami of posts. What do you all think I should do? I recommend playing and writing at whatever schedule is fun for you. That's the first important thing about the diary. If you don't enjoy it, you've just taken on a job for no pay. Then your concerns about the audience take root. I think it's fine to update a little more frequently at the start, because you need to establish that you're writing something consistently. Once there's double-digits of posts, the diary might need to slow up a bit (depending on how much you put in each post). To square that circle, don't write directly to the forums and if you get ahead of what you're sharing, so be it. I don't think it hurts your credibility to say, "I've played ahead of this," (probably the opposite is true) and having a backlog means that if you get pressed for time or enthusiasm you can maintain a regular posting schedule. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjames Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks everyone! I appreciate all the advice and perspectives. I had a lot of time over the last week which I don't think I'll have quite as much, so I think the posting schedule is probably going to be something every 2-3 days from here on in. Good point about not making it a job, BMS - I've got so many games of TEW 2013 I started and found not being able to share with other people what was going on and geeking out about it with other people definitely resulted in a lot of games getting abandoned. But if it felt like a job it'd definitely also not be fun to do any more. I've also taken your advice before you gave it, and have played out ahead. I keep notes after every show, so I don't lose anything, which means I get around to writing when I can. There are a lot of really interesting diaries running right now. I hope you all don't mind me doing what any good wrestler does, which is steal the crap out of great stuff other people are doing and make it my own I just wanted to give the shout out and thanks here because I've already definitely lifted things here and there from the people on this forum who are damned good at these diaries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoveShak Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 WWE Post-Wrestlemania Diary: Captain Creative Hey guys! I'm finishing plans for my first diary -- set to release the week following this Sunday's Wrestlemania. Style: The working title is -- WWE: Captain Creative. The focus of the writing will be a blend of short form story telling, video editing to add visual flare, and reader influence through helping make some creative decisions. Timeline: I'll be booking Monday Night Raw and SD exclusively, beginning with the night after Wrestlemania. I intend to work more with the current WWE/NXT Talent, with only a few immediate acquisitions. Background: Christian Cage will be booking Raw, opposite to Jimmy Jacobs on Smackdown. Story: The first night of Raw will feature a draft for a Raw/SD brand split, much like the original back in 2002. This post will be supplemented with videos of lottery drafts I've edited together. -- and we go from there. Any advice people have for running a smooth diary would be much appreciated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWF Fan Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 <div style="text-align:right;"><p><span style="font-size:8px;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Friday, Week 1, July 2014</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size:8px;"> Springfield High School, Chicago, Illinois</span></p><p><span style="font-size:8px;"> POW Clash of the TRItans 4</span></p></div><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size:8px;"> </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><span>http://i.imgur.com/dCL8HDH.jpg?1</span><span>http://i.imgur.com/DThcjLC.jpg?1</span><span>http://i.imgur.com/pWk3VJp.jpg?1</span><p> </p></div><p></p><p></p><p> [inside the ring the 2014 Trios champions The Flying Squad celebrate with their commemorative championships. Clearly delighted, the three soak in the adulation of the crowd as the commentary team begin to wrap up the nights events]</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><span>http://i.imgur.com/BiXkOvP.jpg</span><span>http://i.imgur.com/l5LeSwl.jpg</span></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">The Chef:</span> I can't believe those darn Flying Squad freaks won! They cheated! Cheated I say! </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">Buccaneer:</span> T' best team one matey, give it a rest! Signing off mateys in 3..2..</p><p> </p><p> [As The Flying Squad begin to wind down their celebrations, slapping hands with the fans at ringside, the lights begin to dim, before blacking out completely]</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">Buccaneer:</span> T' power's out! Where be t' lights?</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">The Chef:</span> I told you! Tiny's obviously not paying the bills, how else do you explain how I make so little?</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">Buccaneer: </span>It be fools gold when you're paid</p><p> </p><p> [As the commentary team continue to argue amongst them a commotion can be heard inside the ring, before the lights come back on and standing across from the three champions, is a man, dressed in tie dye lycra, holding a beer can and looking dazed, confused and all partied out]</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">The Chef:</span> That's impossible...</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">Buccaneer: </span>He's from t' land o' make believe!</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#FF0000;">The Chef: </span>HE'S NOT PETER PAN BUC!</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color:#2E8B57;">Buccaneer:</span> No...</p><p> </p><p> HE'S EDD STONE!</p><p> </p><p> </p><div style="text-align:center;"><span>http://i.imgur.com/l57Q0H8.jpg</span></div><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p> [Wide eyed, The Flying Squad face off with the 24 Hour Party Animal, but he's not here to fight, he's standing across the ring and as the stream fades to black, the sound of a Canadian shouting "Please help me get home!" can be heard off microphone]</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> ________________________________________</p><p> </p><p> OOC:</p><p> </p><p> So my plan for my first game of 2016 is incredibly convoluted, but it'll come about sometime after the release and I've got to grips with the new game, but its something I wanted to just give a teaser for now of things to come.</p><p> </p><p> Basically, I want to enter the wacky world of POW and give audiences a chance to be within a universe within a universe within a universe, POW-ception.</p><p> </p><p> The character Edd Stone (who I will be working as my Avatar) will be played by an actor with Edd Stone's mannerisms, look and with a penchant for his skills but nowhere near the actual level of a Stone. The idea for the storyline "What's in his Edd?" is that TEW has a sponsorship deal in place with POW because it would be ideally promoted to a company's fans like POW that like being out there and making their own creation. So the C-Verse isn't real, Edd Stone isn't, but POW is, TEW is and the guy playing the Edd Stone character is. In order for Edd Stone to find his way back into his videogame (which in diary form will have an update where Stone is out of the business) it will require all the skill of The POWer Plant to help him, with of course the usual bad guys along the way to stop him as people try to find the answers to the Edd Stone mystery.</p><p> </p><p> Yes, Dissertations are bogging me down.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEFAN95 Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Okay so I've been batting about a few ideas for TEW 2016 and ever since the reveal of its creation, I've been steadily thinking of ideas. My original idea was CGC, a company I had rarely explored before but one I constantly found fun in the 2 playthroughs I have had of it. I got started right away on graphics and gimmick ideas, just to keep me busy. Unfortunately, that fell through when I realised that I didn't know CGC's roster, so any 2016 diary is out. Then I thought why not restart my East Coast Wars diary? Again, that fell through due to the fact that I had literally just had a game in 97 with DAVE getting them to Cult, so I didn't want to go back into that roster again as I was already quite sick of the roster I had built up in the game. Then I decided that I definitely wanted to a DAVE diary. Why? That's my bread and butter really, hence my username. It was just about picking a year. 1997 was a no no, at least for now. 2005 was an option. Didn't pick that though. I decided to go with this. This has everything I personally want in a diary and I think the story writes itself. I also feel it would be criminal for me not to do a successful DAVE diary, the company DAVE is the reason I'm on the forums. Feel free to give feedback on this as I'm not sure if this is what I want to do. http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag183/darragh2oo9/DAVE/Phil%20Vibert_zpsfqvc77r9.jpg The date, January 1st 2007, I looked down at the books to see more money bleeding out of our pockets. We were still in the black, but only just. I never thought we'd get to this point. We had been so successful for years that we money in reserves for awhile, but not anymore. We even had to change up the schedule a bit so that we knew we had the money to actually hold an event, Back in Black was scheduled for tonight, but we knew we needed to move it back. We were in trouble and not just financially. We were losing stars. Guys like Kurt Laramee, Bryan Holmes and Doug Peak all decided to leave us, they are big losses but it wasn't just that. We were being constantly raided, that's nothing new, it was the injuries that were just as devastating. When you have two of your top main eventers out on the shelf you know you have problems. Hopefully we'd get them back soon but we even had problems in the midcard as well. That's four significant injuries going into 2007, Big Cat Brandon, Eric Tyler, Johnny Martin and Vin Tanner. What's worse was due to these injuries our roster was depleted, it was too small. We needed to make signings to pad out the roster. Sure that doesn't seem too bad, but offering contracts to people when you already know you were struggling for money, that's never a good business move. No, I wasn't going to let this happen, DAVE was my company. I wasn't going to let it die, it was time to bring in the big guns... http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag183/darragh2oo9/DAVE/Nemisis_zps5uq8wwnl.jpg Hey Phil, you wanted to see me? Yeah John, take a seat. I need you to do me a favour..... http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag183/darragh2oo9/DAVE/DAVE_zpsx5lqpaxs.jpg DAVE: Never say Die (C-Verse 2007) Now I will admit that the title is definitely a work in progress but I'll get there. There is a few starting "Rules" I have set for myself, well more criteria than rules. I can disclose these now if you wish but I just wanted to put this out there to get some feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I tried a DAVE 2007 game once and it's something that always interests me, so this should be good. It reminds me (despite the companies differences) of WCW 2001, in terms of where most other "historical" games are rewriting a history, this is more telling a history that never happened (due to the company going out of business). A what if scenario with DAVE would be really cool. Is there any 'talk' of a C-Verse 2007 mod? (Was there one for 2013?). I only ask because I did it for (I think TEW 2010) and have been thinking about it recently, so I would be happy to help out if anybody is looking to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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