Use Your Illusion Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Is popularity loss in the first initial weeks with USPW unavoidable? I was wondering how people are booking their USPW shows, as this is a company that I love but I find incredibly hard to book effectively. Nicky Champion really is your number one, go to guy, but even he cannot carry the whole company I am finding. I did pull a B level match between him and Mick Muscles, which surprised me. Tips? Tricks? How are you finding success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capelli King Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 getting more talent <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>Definitely looks like, while the gap is close, USPW is still the number three in America. I'd imagine the first month is going to be the most difficult... but after that, it shouldn't be out of the question to get your guys more over and compete.</p><p> </p><p> Talent is nice, but you're USPW: it's not needed. Abuse the crap out of angles involving entertainment and menace were applicable. And use Sam Strong in angles, as the man is absolute gold.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Illusion Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>Petr Novak is quite horrid. Putting him in there with Chris Caulfield, as I feel he is the best one to get something outta this guy. So far, very lukewarm reception.</p><p> </p><p> Last show was B- and lost popularity in 11(!!) regions.</p><p> </p><p> Sorry, Sam <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Sam Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>Key thing to note: Bruce The Giant can only work at PPVs.</p><p> </p><p> @UseYourIllusion Don't worry about it. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> USPW will come soon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Illusion Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p><img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Wondering about Bruce's contract - he's rubbish in the ring anyway, hard to justify paying the guy as much as he is being paid to do what he does. I understand he shouldn't be working 15 min singles matches every month, but still. Perhaps putting him in with Novak might help the payoff match with Caulfield?</p><p> </p><p> Shame he won't want to job to him though!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Avatar Fan Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>For the Bruce The Giant problem, I'd actually see if I could dump him somehow. Maybe lower his push to enhancement talent and then forget about him all together. He may just walk out in a few months. I'm not sure what Sam Strong would think.</p><p> </p><p> He only works PPVs and can't deliver. Letting him sink someone else's show ratings could be considered winning a battle.</p><p> </p><p> Imagine SWF trying to run a Khoklov/Giant PPV main event and picking a winner.</p><p> </p><p> In a perfect world, his contract runs out after a couple of months and SWF comes calling. You can just make sure they give him everything in the contract.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 So, having not booted up with USPW yet... is it that Bruce can only wrestle on PPVs, or is he also restricted from angles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Use Your Illusion Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Bruce's contract has been reduced to only working PPV dates due to injuries/age etc. He's your 'special attraction' that doesn't attract anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> Talent is nice, but you're USPW: it's not needed. Abuse the crap out of angles involving entertainment and menace were applicable. And use Sam Strong in angles, as the man is absolute gold.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Seconded, but remember to change his push so he's not a road agent or the crowd will get fed up of you using him if you use him for too long.</p><p> </p><p> With USPW having a 60% match ratio, I believe that means shows are now rated 40% on the quality of the angles. Remembering it's the best angle that counts for most of that, then if you have one really good angle in there -which with Strong's entertainment and/or Baine's menace shouldn't be hard - it's a big boost.</p><p> </p><p> I generally open with a women's match, by the way. You have some really talented in-ring workers in that division, at least. </p><p> </p><p> USPW is perfect for squash matches. Remember there's essentially only two matches that are counting for the vast majority of your show grade so the rest can be used to help get people over - but one warning; Derek said the other day that squashes are now more about charisma than menace. (In other words, save Giant Redwood for angles!)</p><p> </p><p> New signings I'd be looking at - Connie Morris to reform her team with Gorgon is an obvious one. I managed to get Pistol Pete Hall to sign for about $13,000 yesterday and he seems a good fit for USPW. Anyone else with high menace, popularity or charisma is good.</p><p> </p><p> Further tips when I'm back home and actually have the game open in front of me...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>Answered the question myself...</p><p> </p><p> And wow, Bruce the Giant literally only appears on PPVs, even excluded from participating in angles on TV.</p><p> </p><p> I get that he's old and his knees are giving out, but c'mon, he could at least pop in to say a few words. Even The Rock can be bothered to do that little in the WWE from time to time these days.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caninrok Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Answered the question myself...<p> </p><p> And wow, Bruce the Giant literally only appears on PPVs, even excluded from participating in angles on TV.</p><p> </p><p> I get that he's old and his knees are giving out, but c'mon, he could at least pop in to say a few words. Even The Rock can be bothered to do that little in the WWE from time to time these days.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Not that real world and game world should be expected to perfectly correlate, but in The Rock's case, yes he pops in - but only for a very few, generally prearranged weeks or months in advance, appearances. And Rock calls the shots on if he is or isn't available. If Bruce was allowed to make appearances in angles the player could book him every show if they wanted. So it's really only comparable if there is a way to let him be booked for angles but only on a very limited basis and I don't think that's an option right now, right?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Casey Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Answered the question myself...<p> </p><p> And wow, Bruce the Giant literally only appears on PPVs, even excluded from participating in angles on TV.</p><p> </p><p> I get that he's old and his knees are giving out, but c'mon, he could at least pop in to say a few words. Even The Rock can be bothered to do that little in the WWE from time to time these days.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I <em>think</em> (and may be wrong here) that you can use him in an off-screen role - Bruce on tape responding to a challenge, for example. I may be wrong there, though. I haven't had a chance to book Bruce or Khoklov yet.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStringPG Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I <em>think</em> (and may be wrong here) that you can use him in an off-screen role - Bruce on tape responding to a challenge, for example. I may be wrong there, though. I haven't had a chance to book Bruce or Khoklov yet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Nope, can't do it on TV shows. Been playing test games almost exclusively on SWF and TCW, and Khoklov can't appear on TV shows in any way, shape or form. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> So much for my initial happiness upon finding out I don't have to book him in any TV matches.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolinc Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="James Casey" data-cite="James Casey" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I <em>think</em> (and may be wrong here) that you can use him in an off-screen role - Bruce on tape responding to a challenge, for example. I may be wrong there, though. I haven't had a chance to book Bruce or Khoklov yet.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't looked into it yet, but right now my plan is to have Bruce join the Sneer Corporation. That way Shane can advance storylines on TV while Bruce works the PPV.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 You can book people like Bruce the Giant and Marat Khoklov in angles where they don't appear on-screen. The box next to each participant's name can be toggled between available/everyone but offscreen is the only way to use the likes of Khoklov in an angle on TV. You can hype things, but essentially Khoklov/Giant aren't there to do much of the work so it should rely more heavily on their rival to do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStringPG Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can book people like Bruce the Giant and Marat Khoklov in angles where they don't appear on-screen. The box next to each participant's name can be toggled between available/everyone but offscreen is the only way to use the likes of Khoklov in an angle on TV. You can hype things, but essentially Khoklov/Giant aren't there to do much of the work so it should rely more heavily on their rival to do the work. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Found it. Thanks! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Going back to the USPW and booking, it's pleasantly surprising to see them even with TCW in terms of popularity in the United States. But yeah, their lineup is still chock-full of crappy wrestlers with size on their side and little else. Heck, they've even got Billy Jack Shearer working as Krusher Karloff, Petr Novak/Big Problem, Dusty "Bin" Ducont and the usual suspects - Giant Redwood, Bruce the Giant, etc. I'd suggest letting the angles carry the show until you can nab someone sufficiently over from SWF or TCW who doesn't fit into the largely untalented "land of giants" mold. Too early to say whether the seemingly inevitable popularity loss would take its toll, but in most cases a couple big names should be available by February or March.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caninrok Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="3rdStringPG" data-cite="3rdStringPG" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Nope, can't do it on TV shows. Been playing test games almost exclusively on SWF and TCW, and Khoklov can't appear on TV shows in any way, shape or form. <img alt=":(" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/frown.png.e6b571745a30fe6a6f2e918994141a47.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> So much for my initial happiness upon finding out I don't have to book him in any TV matches.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Sorry, I just checked this out and I'm pretty sure you are mistaken.</p><p> </p><p> I could use Bruce the Giant in off-screen roles and I assume Khoklov is the same. I booked a TV show and had Bruce challenged to a career match, part of a match announcement and part of a hype video for a future 1 on 1 match.</p><p> </p><p> I just needed to toggle the box beside the name selecting field so that unavailable characters were shown. I could apparently put "unavailable" characters in off-screen angle roles. As is appropriate.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Sorry this post turned out to just be piling on. Apologies.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 So glad to see this thread again. For years I've had a seed of an idea for USPW but haven't quite been able to get it to fertilize well enough to play a game with it. Essentially i want to foment a stable war. Two evil enterprises warring amongst themselves for the opportunity to emotionally eviscerate the faces of the company. On one side the Sneer Corporation whom I've always hated conceptually. It's always felt like Sneer should either manage or commentate. That he can't do both. I know real world parallels can be cited but it's just never felt right to me in the USPW setting. So I have a pet project I've wanted to build up to go after Sneer and Co. That would be Jamie Infante. I.E. Baby Jamie. It's always struck me he could be a mix of Jim Cornette and Teddy Long. But I've never been able to figure out how to get his forces set up. With USPW 2013, would it make more sense to just start in with him or should I have him start by running roughshod over the pre-show and let the pre-set war storyline run its course while I work on Jamie ? And how would you go about dividing up who's on the main show vs the pre-show? In my training games, I'm not accustomed to "Oh he's only an opener. I can get by using him on the main show only once a month." type thinking. Everybody's always gotten on every show in some capacity. Because that was the point. Guys were there to learn to get stronger. I haven't played a promotion this big since 08. So higher level roster management is not something I've had to deal with in many years. But with the new pre-show opportunities, I'm very much intrigued by USPW and would finally like to make this creative vision a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ping von Erich Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Hire popular workers, hire guys with crazy star quality and entertainment skills, abuse the piss out of heels with high menace = $$$? Honestly though. USPW is so fun because it can be run so counter-intuitive to how we (speaking for the uber wrestling nerds out there) as smarks would normally book a wrestling promotion. Push the monsters, push the guys that can just talk, push crazy storylines and angles. Sure you could load your roster with guys like Mainstream or DWN but where's the challenge in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaded Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>Guys I'd be looking at considering hiring, in terms of having decent charisma and/or menace, being at least a regional star in the US on popularity, and seeming to fit the USPW product well.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Grandmaster Phunk </strong>- Maybe not an obvious pick but a strong brawler who can play a face or heel pretty much equally well. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Madman Boone</strong> - Well-known, very good as a face or a heel, menacing, fairly charismatic, and great backstage.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Randall Hopkirk </strong>- Actually pretty popular compared to most of the free agents available. Can team him back up with Krusher Karloff for a team with decent tag experience straight away. Clearly not a long-term plan but could do a job for a few months, at least.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Pistol Pete Hall </strong>- Way past his prime but still pretty amazing. Excellent as a heel, decent babyface, psychology and basics are as good as nearly anyone in the CVerse, very strong brawler, good star quality, good menace, okay charisma, great backstage.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Grunt and Stink</strong> - Yes, they're pretty awful in the ring. With decent popularity and maximum experience, they could probably still do a job in the midcard.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStringPG Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Guys I'd be looking at considering hiring, in terms of having decent charisma and/or menace, being at least a regional star in the US on popularity, and seeming to fit the USPW product well.<p> </p><p> <strong>Grandmaster Phunk </strong>- Maybe not an obvious pick but a strong brawler who can play a face or heel pretty much equally well. </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Madman Boone</strong> - Well-known, very good as a face or a heel, menacing, fairly charismatic, and great backstage.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Randall Hopkirk </strong>- Actually pretty popular compared to most of the free agents available. Can team him back up with Krusher Karloff for a team with decent tag experience straight away. Clearly not a long-term plan but could do a job for a few months, at least.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Pistol Pete Hall </strong>- Way past his prime but still pretty amazing. Excellent as a heel, decent babyface, psychology and basics are as good as nearly anyone in the CVerse, very strong brawler, good star quality, good menace, okay charisma, great backstage.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Grunt and Stink</strong> - Yes, they're pretty awful in the ring. With decent popularity and maximum experience, they could probably still do a job in the midcard.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Adding Man Mountain Cahill to this list, not just because he's part of Painful Procedure like Hopkirk and Shearer/Karloff. He's got a Menace score of 92 and is also quite over for someone who's been unemployed since TEW 2010.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappyboy Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaded" data-cite="Jaded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34901" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> <strong>Randall Hopkirk </strong>- Actually pretty popular compared to most of the free agents available. Can team him back up with Krusher Karloff for a team with decent tag experience straight away. Clearly not a long-term plan but could do a job for a few months, at least.</p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Plus call me crazy if you want. But I've always thought that Hopkirk could be a good mentor style manager once his career was over. Like how Arnold Skaaland was to Snuka and Backlund back in the day or how Tony Atlas was in WWECW to Mark Henry. He's the best speaker of the Painful Procedure guys other than the two singers.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>am I the only one who hates their PPV schedule? I always have to move them to happen on the same date which was Fridays in 2010</p><p> </p><p> It just annoys me to potentially have TV and a PPV on the same day</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianCarter Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 <p>I too moved all their Wednesday PPVs, even though I doubt I will return to this save.</p><p> </p><p> Add me to the list of people who can't make USPW work. 5 straight bad shows and a lost national battle knocked me down to Cult too.</p><p> </p><p> Even with a working agreement with TCW allowing me to borrow Bryan Vassey I still can't pull off good matches.</p><p> </p><p> I did managed to get Peter Valentine insane momentum though, that ought to mollify Sam a bit. But getting Andre to 83? That's a tall order.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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