SWF In 2013

[Self]

<p>I took the focus off of Valiant vs Rogue quite quickly. Partly due to chemistry. Partly because I felt they'd probably fought several times in 2012, so that element of the feud was played out. </p><p> </p><p>

Jack Bruce never struck me as a suitable mentor for Valiant either. Jack Bruce strikes me as a cool, bad boy rock star, while Valiant is purely good and wholesome. Which would make a fun odd couple for a month or two, but nothing I could get behind long term. That's part of the reason I brought Christian Faith into it. Faith and Valiant made sense to me.</p>

[The Shape]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Jack Bruce never struck me as a suitable mentor for Valiant either. Jack Bruce strikes me as a cool, bad boy rock star, while Valiant is purely good and wholesome. Which would make a fun odd couple for a month or two, but nothing I could get behind long term. That's part of the reason I brought Christian Faith into it. Faith and Valiant made sense to me.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I find this whole dynamic really interesting and have used it to slowly build towards a Bruce heel turn. He thinks he's acting as a mentor for Valiant but really he's just patronising him at every turn and hogging the spotlight, becoming increasingly egotistical with ridiculous long winded celebrations at the end of matches. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> So I've had Valiant lose patience and challenge Bruce to a PPV match. However not sure at what point he's going to fully turn; this could end cleanly, through Agency interference or through Bruce cheating his way to win. Not entirely convinced Val's a big enough name for Bruce to fully turn on, but it can definitely lead in to Bruce making a run at Frehley.</p>

[Bigpapa42]

<p>Enjoying seeing the diverse thoughts on the storylines and different character takes. Always enjoyed that. So to take Self's idea... what I've done on the past few SWF games and what I'm toying with for the next SWF game, which is likely to kick off soon....</p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Struggle For Supremacy </strong></p><p>

What I have typically done is have Frehley go over in a 4-way at the first PPV, then split it off into two separate feuds. Frehley and Remo keep going at it over the world title, while Vengeance and Faith engage in a battle for relevance. However, I like the thought of making it a generational battle - two top guys from the last generation of superstars and two of the leaders of the new guard... yet the face-heel dynamic make it unique. Just need to come up with ways to stretch it out a bit. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Anger Management </strong></p><p>

My approach has been to have Eisen take the belt at WHFO and Gilmore decides he doesn't care about the belt - he just wants payback. So one or two more PPV matches without the NA belt gives Gilmore the decisive win in the feud, Eisen can go back to being a midcard cog and Gilmore starts to make a move up a bit. </p><p> </p><p>

<strong>Thrill of the Chase </strong></p><p>

As long as this one has already been going on, I like carrying it forward for awhile. I just think there are so many diverse dynamics in play. I love that Jack Bruce and Valiant are vastly differing characters - that makes the mentorship that much more interesting. I like the idea of Valiant versus Rogue being one of those really long-term storylines that takes forever to play out, a bit like Raven versus Dreamer. Valiant can never get a satisfying victory over Rogue due to the nefarious ways of the heel and Valiant being too upstanding to answer in kind. That's what the alliance with Bruce is about - Valiant learning to fight fire with fire. He gradually gains the edge he needs to take the next step. its not a non-stop feud but the keep coming back to each other. By mid 2014, Valiant should be ready to finally gain that clean win over Rogue, which puts him on pace to take the world title.</p>

[gord]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bigpapa42" data-cite="Bigpapa42" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> <strong>Anger Management </strong></p><p> My approach has been to have Eisen take the belt at WHFO and Gilmore decides he doesn't care about the belt - he just wants payback. So one or two more PPV matches without the NA belt gives Gilmore the decisive win in the feud, Eisen can go back to being a midcard cog and Gilmore starts to make a move up a bit. </p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In one of the few "original" ideas I've come up with (since I have ZERO creativity), I did something similar. I had Eisen get so mad at Gilmore that he didn't care if he got the belt or not, so after Gilmore interfered with Eisen in a #1 contender match, Eisen helped a more-over Brandon James win the title over Gilmore. This removed the title from their feud, enabling Gilmore to win the feud and move on to bigger and better things.</p>

[Grfcboy95]

I have had quite an eventful time with SWF recently, i'm glad i got back into my save. i built up a storyline with Eric Eisen and his father Richard doing everything they can to get Christian Faith onside with their new corporate ideas, which involved doing everything possible to get Eric to win the SWF title. Richard gave Faith, his best friend, a very clear message, you are either with us or against us. Faith shockingly beat up Richard in the middle of his ring, showing that he was certainly not going to bow down his demands, and he was going to do anything possible to make sure Eric didn't win the title. Eric swore revenge after seeing what Faith did to his dad, and put his title chase on the backburner in order to deal with Faith at the next PPV. He managed to beat Faith, but in a rather dirty fashion by getting his father to run in and distract the referee so he could use a steel chair on Faith. On supreme TV the next week, Faith attacked Eric brutally backstage, taking him temporarily out of action. Richard was furious and booked him in a match with Khoklov at the next PPV as punishment. come next PPV, Eric returns before Faith's match and instates himself in the match instead of Khoklov! the Match was back and forth. just when it looked like Eric had the match won cleanly, his father came down to the ring... and hit Eric with a steel chair, then the ref, and counted down his own son! He and Faith then proceeded to beat down Eric, completing a double turn, with Eric becoming a Face and Faith turning heel. Supreme TV was fiery after that, with Richard calling his a failure for not capturing the title before and calling Faith the model champion for his service to SWF, in typical heel fashion being hypocritical about all the previous events. it has been a hot storyline as you can imagine, and one i'm quite proud of. i'm thinking i will have the rubber match go to Eric, and then he goes on to capture the SWF title on his own merit!

[Grfcboy95]

the storyline did have a few flaws, i planned originally to book the Faith v Khoklov match, but my previous storyline was whether Faith still had ''it'' and if he could win the big one, with Khoklov being the very man he was trying to beat. so i couldn't have them face off because of the penalty around repetitive booking. it really felt like it could have been better if i slowed burned it with that match, but it would've tanked considering khoklov and Faith are now in decline, plus the penalty.

[Self]

I'm glad it ended with a double turn. As I was reading that, all I could think was "Man, Faith is being a jerk in this story". I was on Team Eric the moment he put aside his title aspirations.

[Grfcboy95]

I'm glad it ended with a double turn. As I was reading that, all I could think was "Man, Faith is being a jerk in this story". I was on Team Eric the moment he put aside his title aspirations.

 

yeah i was trying to foreshadow Faith's heel turn more than Eric's Face turn, so i think that went quite well. i always saw Faith as a know-it-all type of guy, thought i might as well make him a Heel.

[Purple Cowboy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Midnightnick" data-cite="Midnightnick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>A Lobster Spirit Animal would be a great way to bring in either Gino Montero, or Running Wolf to be a tribesmate who showed Lobby spiritual enlightment. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This is a fine idea! I'm really enjoying myself with Lobby in this version and if it all works out well could be a premise for a fun/silly Lobby-centric dynasty. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[Irish Wolf]

In 2010 I did an interesting storyline with Eric reforming the Supremacists faction his father had back in 2004. He started by saying becasue of who he was that all the power in the company was his and he would do better than his father and truly make the SWF his not just in name but as the best wrestler in the world. I played Richard Eisen as a browbeaten old man as Eric would constantly tell him to do this and do that, make this match, ban this worker from ringside ect.

 

This gave me a chance to make a face stable to take them down. At the end there was alway a secret power behind the face group which turned out to be Richard Eisen organizing the fall of his son in an attempt to take back power of his company and all the faces would feel used as Eric did fall and would make the eventual face turn as he saw how dangerous it was to play political games against his father.

[The Shape]

I'm looking at the initial feud with Eric as a license to push Gilmore fairly strongly and not feel bad about it. He's already as over as some main eventers and is in a feud with a former world champion, looks destined to make a big impact.

 

 

With Gilmore's wife without a client and her sister a good influence who wants out of development, it seemed fairly obvious to have Krissie start managing Eric and things get really personal. Unfortunately in my game Jessie and her husband have zero chemistry so her own role was rather short lived, but inside a couple of weeks Angry's ended up with A* momentum and his overness shooting up. Going to give him a long ass NA title reign before finally pulling the main event trigger though I think. I'm blessed that he's got great tag chemistry with Frehley, gives me a go to TV main event which helps the big man in all kinds of ways.

[shawn_waters]

<p>So I just stole both members of The New Wave from TCW...but I have no idea what to do with them! I want to drop the Armed Forces gimmick they've got...but there aren't many other gimmicks they can play. I need a face team to balance out my division, but that removes even more gimmicks they can play...</p><p> </p><p>

Not sure if I should give them a run as singles stars, or keep them as a team and just assign a generic/boring gimmick...anyone have any ideas?? My current tag division consists of The Amazing Bumfholes ©, The Awesomeness, Men of Class (The Fly Boyz), Quadruple B, Parental Guidance (McClean & Sexy) and The Apocalyptic Revelation (John Greed and Isaiah (Hell's Bouncer))...that's two face team to four heel teams.</p>

[Grfcboy95]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="shawn_waters" data-cite="shawn_waters" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So I just stole both members of The New Wave from TCW...but I have no idea what to do with them! I want to drop the Armed Forces gimmick they've got...but there aren't many other gimmicks they can play. I need a face team to balance out my division, but that removes even more gimmicks they can play...<p> </p><p> Not sure if I should give them a run as singles stars, or keep them as a team and just assign a generic/boring gimmick...anyone have any ideas?? My current tag division consists of The Amazing Bumfholes ©, The Awesomeness, Men of Class (The Fly Boyz), Quadruple B, Parental Guidance (McClean & Sexy) and The Apocalyptic Revelation (John Greed and Isaiah (Hell's Bouncer))...that's two face team to four heel teams.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm glad someone else put McClean and Sexy in a tag team. As for your problem, i'm at a bit of a loss. They seem pretty tailor made to the armed forces gimmick, and neither particularly stand out individually as worth pushing. Their mic skills, Charisma and star quality is all fairly average at best... If it were me, i'd be using them to elevate other tag teams.</p>

[LiquidSwords]

I like SWF but I feel their default logo and banner is a bit too "clean" compared to their product. Has anyone made a scratch logo similar to WWE or a logo that would fit with how the promotion is currently presented?

[Eisen-verse]

<p>I know that a low abolity to play a certain disposition is not necessarily an absolute deterrent but would it severely hurt match/angle grades if one is turned to a disposition they are bad at?</p><p> </p><p>

I have a D or E storyline that I want to sell for "Supreme Challenge 33" but, in order to do so, I need to turn Runaway Train Babyface. He's currently at a B- in overness but he scores a 28 to play a Babyface.</p><p> </p><p>

If I turn him, could it absolutely bomb every segment he's part of under the new disposition? Truthfully, it's a minor angle, when compared to the rest of the card, but don't want to hurt the guy he's working with (as that guy is high on momentum).</p><p> </p><p>

Thank you in advance!</p>

[Self]

It won't tank it. I've had babyface Remo and heel Valiant. Granted, they aren't as bad at working the role as babyface Train, but they're doing totally fine. Remo main events TVs with no problem. He won't get much of a momentum boost from the turn, but it's no big deal at all.

[Irish Wolf]

Also Babyface and Heel ratings can improve over time. So by making him play a babyface he'll get better at it. I've seen some people get from the 30s to the 90s in a little over a year, but I think that's kinda rare but you'll definitely make him better at it.

[Eisen-verse]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It won't tank it. I've had babyface Remo and heel Valiant. Granted, they aren't as bad at working the role as babyface Train, but they're doing totally fine. Remo main events TVs with no problem. He won't get much of a momentum boost from the turn, but it's no big deal at all.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Apupunchau@optonline" data-cite="Apupunchau@optonline" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Also Babyface and Heel ratings can improve over time. So by making him play a babyface he'll get better at it. I've seen some people get from the 30s to the 90s in a little over a year, but I think that's kinda rare but you'll definitely make him better at it.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thanks guys.</p><p> </p><p> I knew they would progress over time, given the ability to be a babyface, but I didn't know if the initial grades he would pull would tank (due to having very little skill in being a babyface from the start). If he's able to pull his weight still, I think I'll go ahead with the storyline.</p>

[Bull]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Eisen-verse" data-cite="Eisen-verse" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks guys.<p> </p><p> I knew they would progress over time, given the ability to be a babyface, but I didn't know if the initial grades he would pull would tank (due to having very little skill in being a babyface from the start). If he's able to pull his weight still, I think I'll go ahead with the storyline.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> </p><p> I know I received a penalty when I used Jack Avatar as a heel in a game once due to him being unable to play the role effectively(He has a 19 or E- Heel rating). . So he may get dinged with a penalty until his face performance improves enough. . .</p>

[Grfcboy95]

i have barely used my user avatar at all, how have people handled that? do any of you give yourself a huge push? <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

[Irish Wolf]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Grfcboy95" data-cite="Grfcboy95" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i have barely used my user avatar at all, how have people handled that? do any of you give yourself a huge push? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I play with the grand avatar so I don't have the need to ever push myself I am just a backstage presence booking the show.</p>

[pantaloons]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Grfcboy95" data-cite="Grfcboy95" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i have barely used my user avatar at all, how have people handled that? do any of you give yourself a huge push? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> In my game I created a middle Eisen brother named Robert who is a road agent that never appears on camera. Psychology wise (80) he is my worst agent.</p>

[consortium11]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Grfcboy95" data-cite="Grfcboy95" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="34914" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>i have barely used my user avatar at all, how have people handled that? do any of you give yourself a huge push? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> When I have a worker avatar I generally use them as I would any other worker in their position (so generally as a good prospect with the exception of Masked Avatar who normally ends up being used to improve other workers). That said I normally push them hard to begin with to spike their popularity for the simple reason that they'll never complain about jobbing when I want to put another worker over them.</p><p> </p><p> In smaller promotions (so clearly not the case with SWF...) it can be pretty useful to have a fairly solid worker who can't be stolen, won't complain and can eventually normally take a decent position in the upper midcard.</p>

[gord]

I'm considering using Barry Bowen (Runaway Train) as an authority on Uprising, but his mic skills are rather low. Has anyone else tried him in an on-camera role like this? How are the segment ratings and will his mic skills improve at all?

[Irish Wolf]

I'm considering using Barry Bowen (Runaway Train) as an authority on Uprising, but his mic skills are rather low. Has anyone else tried him in an on-camera role like this? How are the segment ratings and will his mic skills improve at all?

 

I haven't but I was going to. I brought in C-V-2 (Cameron Vessey and Casey Valetine) going under the name The Second Sons of Wrestling and they're manager is Lisa Bowen (Train's Daughter) running the Daddy's-Little-Girl gimmick. Anyway Uprising is my B Show and I was going to make Train the commissioner over there so Lisa can always go running to Daddy to help out her team.