Mattywood Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 http://s2.excoboard.com/forums/20864/user/366987/528777.jpg It's January 1985, and the WWF is coming off a year that has seen them begin to expand nationwide with the help of syndication and their TV deal with the USA Network. On July 14, 1984, the WWF took over Georgia Championship Wrestling's time slot on TBS in what has been since known as "Black Saturday." The show was a ratings disaster, with thousands of complaints from Georgia wrestling fans asking why GCW was not on the air. Ted Turner was also furious as Vince McMahon wasn't holding up his end of the bargain of providing original programming to the station. Turner would offer time slots to Bill Watts' Mid South Wrestling in Oklahoma, as well as to Ole Anderson's Championship Wrestling from Georgia. With the TBS deal a money loser, Vince McMahon sold the World Championship Wrestling time slot to Jim Crockett, who brought NWA wrestling back to TBS. Despite that setback, however, the WWF's ratings on the USA Network and on their various TV affiliates through syndication were unaffected. In fact, the USA Network has just given the WWF another show in Prime Time Wrestling. Now, McMahon looks to take an even bigger risk: promoting the largest wrestling show in the U.S. WrestleMania, as it has been called, is said to be broadcast at arenas all across the United States via the miracle of Closed Circuit TV. With WWF Champion Hulk Hogan and Rowdy Roddy Piper at the top, will this risk pay off, or will it be an even bigger disaster than Black Saturday? With Alvarasus' blessing, I am basically putting my Attitude mod on hold and taking over making a 1985 mod. The 1983 War To Settle The Score mod will be the base, and Alvarasus has been kind enough to lend a helping hand with anything I might need. Like his mod was going to before he lost his data, this mod will start in January 1985. That gives you the opportunity, if you're playing as the WWF, to build toward WrestleMania and give you the challenge of making sure all the big players are signed up for the big show. As Jim Crockett Promotions, you can attempt to counter McMahon's expansion. As World Class, there's still a chance to save it from going under as Kerry and Kevin Von Erich are still going strong, and Mike hasn't gone off the deep end just yet. And as the AWA, you can try to steer them back to prominence as they actually have a pretty strong talent pool with the likes of Bob Backlund, Sgt. Slaughter, the Road Warriors and a young Rick Steiner. As for why take over January 1985, several reasons. One, the unforeseen circumstances of Alvarasus losing his data. There have been people wanting to see a January 1985 mod, and Alv has given me his blessing to take it over. Oh, and the name, Risky Business, was his idea. Also, while my December 1998 mod will be on hold, I will be doing some work here and there on it. I figured that with a few Attitude mods now either out or being worked on, it would be fine to work on this. The Organic pics will be used for this one since it's 80s. Basically, my plan is Organic for 80s, and Graffiti for 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 <p></p><div style="text-align:center;"><p><span style="text-decoration:underline;">PROMOTIONS</span></p><p> Green=Completed, Red=Not Started, Blue=Being Worked On</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;">WWF</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> WCCW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> JCP</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> AWA</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> CCW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> AJPW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> NJPW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> AJW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> UWF Japan (aka UWFi)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> Stampede</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> ASW (Canada)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> Mid South</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> CWA (Memphis)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> CWF</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> Central States</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> PNW (Pacific Northwest)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> AGPW</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> ASW (England)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> JPUK (Joint Promotions)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> WWC</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> UWA</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> TASW (Texas All Star)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color:#2E8B57;"> EMLL</span></strong></p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong> Possibly more to be added later if I forgot any important territories.</strong></p></div><p></p><p></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 YAY! I want to kill the machine before it gets rolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawn Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Can't wait to play this! Welcome to WrestleMania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-laz- Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 hmmmm i think its time for Pipermania to run wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UEWpro Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>YAY! I want to kill the machine before it gets rolling <img alt=":mad:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/mad.png.69834f23b9a8bf290d98375f56f1c794.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> This.</p><p> </p><p> I want to use the NWA and save the world from Vince.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 Question for the masses. From talking with Alvarasus, he suggested that most contracts should be either PPA or Exclusive PPA(depending on if a worker wrestled for both a particular territory and overseas or just the former). That said, should any contracts in the WWF be written, or would you all rather prefer they all be either PPA or Exclusive PPA(depending on if they also worked overseas such as working Japan)? Reason being, this might best simulate the unpredictability of workers jumping ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Like I said in the PM, I think majority should be PPA/ExPPA. On the nWo Revolution dvd and a lot of wrestling autobiographies they basically all say that no one really had guaranteed contracts until Bischoff/Turner signed Hogan to WCW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Like I said in the PM, I think majority should be PPA/ExPPA. On the nWo Revolution dvd and a lot of wrestling autobiographies they basically all say that no one really had guaranteed contracts until Bischoff/Turner signed Hogan to WCW.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And on that token, I'm also considering leaving all contract expiration dates at Random, to really emphasize the unpredictability factor of the 80s and early to mid 90s. IIRC, I believe this is something Alvarasus wanted me to go through with.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I definitely agree with setting lengths to random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Like I said in the PM, I think majority should be PPA/ExPPA. On the nWo Revolution dvd and a lot of wrestling autobiographies they basically all say that no one really had guaranteed contracts until Bischoff/Turner signed Hogan to WCW.</div></blockquote><p> And even then, the first guaranteed contract in WWF was Brian Pillman in 1996.</p><p> </p><p> I think the PPA contracts should work, with random expiry dates. Perhaps a way to better simulate the time period would be to make the major stars on (fairly) high wages with their companies. This way should WWF want to pinch Flair it'll cost them a bit more, and vice versa with someone like Hogan jumping ship. Just a thought?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share Posted September 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RayW" data-cite="RayW" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And even then, the first guaranteed contract in WWF was Brian Pillman in 1996.<p> </p><p> I think the PPA contracts should work, with random expiry dates. Perhaps a way to better simulate the time period would be to make the major stars on (fairly) high wages with their companies. This way should WWF want to pinch Flair it'll cost them a bit more, and vice versa with someone like Hogan jumping ship. Just a thought?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'll have to see how much the contracts are when set to random and letting their pop determine the amount they make when I do some tests. Then I'll decide if the above suggestion is something to add into the mod. ^_^ On the one hand, a challenge is good. On the other hand, I don't want players to be bleeding money without even having signed anyone. Although releasing unneeded talent that are on PPA should alleviate that since it costs nothing to release PPA talents.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Matt that exactly what I was planning on contracts to make them ppa. I wasn't going to use exclusive at all. Another thing WCCW and JCP should be on working agreement. Most people when making this era like putting them at war. Georgia is going to be interesting to see what you do with them. Plus it seems Memphis and Georgia almost united as an single promotion sometime during 85. It didn't last long but it is interesting to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayW Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll have to see how much the contracts are when set to random and letting their pop determine the amount they make when I do some tests. Then I'll decide if the above suggestion is something to add into the mod. ^_^ On the one hand, a challenge is good. On the other hand, I don't want players to be bleeding money without even having signed anyone. Although releasing unneeded talent that are on PPA should alleviate that since it costs nothing to release PPA talents.</div></blockquote><p> I didn't really think about the companies bleeding money. Perhaps just leave it then. The bidding wars will soon stack up anyway.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordofGustav Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 <p>I'm also eager to destroy the machine before it begins...</p><p> </p><p> I think i'll be going for WCCW in this one.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alvarasus" data-cite="alvarasus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Matt that exactly what I was planning on contracts to make them ppa. I wasn't going to use exclusive at all. Another thing WCCW and JCP should be on working agreement. Most people when making this era like putting them at war. Georgia is going to be interesting to see what you do with them. Plus it seems Memphis and Georgia almost united as an single promotion sometime during 85. It didn't last long but it is interesting to know that.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Weren't most of the workers, save for those who worked Japan, Exclusive PPA in the WWF though? :-/ I was trying to avoid odd things like the Von Erichs working for both World Class and the WWF. Then again there's the consequences of a worker being Exclusive PPA leaving your company if he's offered PPA with someone else.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Weren't most of the workers, save for those who worked Japan, Exclusive PPA in the WWF though? :-/ I was trying to avoid odd things like the Von Erichs working for both World Class and the WWF. Then again there's the consequences of a worker being Exclusive PPA leaving your company if he's offered PPA with someone else.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Put WCCW and WWF at war. The Von Erichs <em>shouldn't </em> leave WCCW since Fritz is the owner unless they're offered the moon.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Put WCCW and WWF at war. The Von Erichs <em>shouldn't </em> leave WCCW since Fritz is the owner unless they're offered the moon.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The downside is that WWF and WCCW were never really at war. In fact, I remember hearing David Manning do a radio interview where he said that Vince actually wanted to work with Fritz and do some interpromotional feuds, but Fritz was being Fritz and wanted to do his own thing and try to make his promotion a national empire(global if you take into account they were popular in Israel and Palestine) like Vince had. Best solution for now that I could think of would be having the Von Erichs loyal to WCCW, as it wasn't until the promotion folded and turned into the USWA that Kerry signed for the WWF.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: And when you take into account all the talent Vince signed from WCCW over the years(with WCCW still making new stars up until around 87 or 88), WCCW was in a way a development territory without being an official development territory. Going back to David Manning's radio interview, I think he even said that in a way, WCCW was like a feeder league to Vince.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejus Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 I'd say use the Genadi TGA method of if a wrestler is someone they'd use for serious merchandising or on a major house show circuit, use written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAvsWWF Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Beejus" data-cite="Beejus" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'd say use the Genadi TGA method of if a wrestler is someone they'd use for serious merchandising or on a major house show circuit, use written.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree with this I think having it so Flair or Hogan could easily jump ship at this point is a bit unrealistic as both were locked down to their respective companies. Seriously looking forward to this probably more than any other mod ever would love to have a game with WWF from the first Mania and see how far I get, plus WCCW would be a lot of fun as well.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="NWAvsWWF" data-cite="NWAvsWWF" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I agree with this I think having it so Flair or Hogan could easily jump ship at this point is a bit unrealistic as both were locked down to their respective companies. Seriously looking forward to this probably more than any other mod ever would love to have a game with WWF from the first Mania and see how far I get, plus WCCW would be a lot of fun as well.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Hogan would be tricky because if I'm not mistaken, he was working shows for New Japan quite often in 1985. Though I could have him locked up, and give WWF and NJPW a working relationship that would simulate Hogan getting to work there.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWAvsWWF Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Matt Shannon" data-cite="Matt Shannon" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hogan would be tricky because if I'm not mistaken, he was working shows for New Japan quite often in 1985. Though I could have him locked up, and give WWF and NJPW a working relationship that would simulate Hogan getting to work there.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Suppose that works fine either that or if you go with the ppa deal maybe just loyalty to Vince plus higher reputation and pop for the WWF would be enough to keep him there I think. Not sure if you saw it but in Derek's guide he recently posted this which would help tremendously for this time period:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36675" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>E- spills over to F in spillover areas<p> D spills over to F+ in spillover areas</p><p> C+ spills over to E in spillover areas</p><p> B+ spills over to D+ in spillover areas</p><p> </p><p> B+: South East</p><p> D+: Mid-Atlantic, Puerto Rico (spillover from South East)</p><p> F+: Great Lakes (Spillover from Mid-Atlantic), Tri-State (spillover from Puerto Rico)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Love the 1983 mod but one of my gripes with it is most of the names won't sign to any companies because they are too popular for regional/cult promotions, I think if this was used to scale everyone's pop based on which areas they were regularly working in and then having just spillover pop in non working areas it would be great.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattywood Posted September 24, 2013 Author Share Posted September 24, 2013 ^^Thanks for that guide! I'm going to need to remember that for a reference. I did get the card positions how I liked them, but I do want to make it to where guys will sign for the territorial companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alvarasus Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 I agree WWF should be high cult in the game. JCP should be high regional because they just started promoting in the south east. All the Japanese promotions should be cult or national but, having foreign workers on touring contracts only. You might want to do that for Mexico too. I really want to have a computer when you finally release this so I can play it. Ask Justtxyank how he rated the wrestlers in his mod that he was working on a couple of years back. He is the only person I know that has attempted 85 mod. I always screw up his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedRKO16 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 This should be fun. Tried out 1983 and was a little lost. 1985 seems like a good jumping point. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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