TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If you guys can help me fill in the blanks here that'd be great. I've long since pondered this and no one could answer, so I decided to do the research myself after I found out how to manipulate caps with the editor...here's what I've found so far. Next Big Thing Must be younger than 29. Must have lower push than Upper Midcarder. Conditions for NBT 1: Higher overness potential than 78 AND 2: 78 Psychology potential (perhaps Basics as well, needs further testing). When tested wiith a worker's who was fairly mediocre in ring EXCEPT Psychology, combined with an A overness cap, worker was recorded as an NBT despite not showing up on "Hot Prospects" for miles(according to the game I had greatly superior prospects) AND 2.5 : 78 Basics potential Confirmed by Sting...it's extremely rare for a prospect to have lower basics.....but it happens. AND 3: 78 Charisma! potential This I discovered while looking at Keiichi Yamada who had already surpassed the Psych requirement and based on my newfound research should've had the overness cap. AND STAR QUALITY UNNECESSARY(surprisingly..) To point 2: I know for SURE Psychology cannot be lower than B...Roughly a 78. If their psychology is less than 78 even if they are 100 in every other stat they will not be NBT...which makes sense considering how heavily psychology is weighted in this game. Now onto the NBT flavour X has almost unlimited potential ; he seems to have that something special about him that might just translate into potential superstardom. It would be wise to book him carefully so as not to damage or reduce his potential impact. TRANSLATION: >95 or near 100 overness. Concurrent with "is already being tipped as a huge star" in Hot Prospects. El Hijo de Santo in my TGA mod would have rolled this if he hadnt capped at 62 psychology. He was my initial test specimen when testing the relationship between "huge star" and 100 overness...as well as testing the relationship between psychology and NBT status. Sort of ironic as I've NEVER seen this on the 4 real NBTs I've had in my company...the one guy who would get it gets a laughably unlucky Psychology roll to balance out his laughably lucky overness cap. There are many who have tipped X for future greatness, and it is with good reason; the < 29 seems like he was almost born to be the face of a company, there is definitely the glimmer of something special there, it's just a question of drawing it out and developing it correctly. > 88 < 93/94 overness: concurrent with "is definitely one to watch, the sky seems to be the limit of where his career can go" in Hot Prospects. The existence of this stunned me since I've been maintained a worker who according to CM should have capped below 91 at 95 now with no noticeable drops...however Im guessing now.....if I didn't use him in angles for a week I'd see the drop since he theoretically should be capped. I've never seen this one either. Seems that 85 is the most common lucky role At just < 29 years of age, time is on the side of X, but even though he has a whole career in front of him it's already clear that there is something special about him; he definitely has the feel of a future star, and someone who could potentially carry an entire company on his back. Translation: > 83 < 88?: Concurrent with "is somebody who should be handled carefully, as it's clear that the <30 year old has all the raw materials needed to create a big star in the future" I pretty much get this every time....good thing for me is my international company gives no effs about 85-90 caps and brute forces them all to the 90s week after week. When it comes to raw potential, it's pretty clear that X comes loaded with it. The 24 has always had that little something extra about him, and it would be no surprise at all if he ascended to superstardom before his career is through. TRANSLATION: Overness > 78 < 83: Concurrent with " there is a lot of talk that Xis a potential break-out star, there seems to be an almost tangible sense of destiny with the <30 year old" in Hot Prospects Hot Prospects Must be younger than 30. Must have lower push than Upper Midcarder X is Y then/he could become Z Conditions of Y: 1: Is already being tipped as a huge star for years to come = >95 overness A+ 2: is definitely one to watch, the sky seems to be the limit of where his career can go = 88 > 94 A- to A possibly A+ 3: is somebody who should be handled carefully, as it's clear that the <30 year old has all the raw materials needed to create a big star in the future = 83 > 88 B+ to A - possibly A 4: " there is a lot of talk that Xis a potential break-out star, there seems to be an almost tangible sense of destiny with the <30 year old" in Hot Prospects <78 > 83 C+ to B 5: "Worker might still be young...." < 73-78 C+ to B range 6: Dark Horse for future Success 67- 73 C to C+ Conditions of Z 1: Turn into an phenomenal worker (highest quality of worker) A or A* Psychology + solid other performance 2: Fantastic 3: Exceptional in ring worker 4: Really Fine 5: Very, Very Good. 6: Very Good Conditions of Z are generally hard to describe in exact words, but GENERALLY a Phenomenal worker is a level not particularly reachable in the CVerse. If you ever(I think I've seen it once and it was a mod) see this you should know that the worker you are developing will likely be the greatest of all time. Tommy Cornell does not(but possibly can I'd imagine with very lucky RNG) reach this. A+ in Basics and Psych and A pr higher in Safety and Consistency and good all around skills. Fantastic is still an absolutely amazing worker and where most of the elite C-Verse workers fall. Think a prime El Leon, Dan Stone Jr or a Champagne Lover. A Basics and Psychology and at least B+ in the other performance stats as well as adequate top row as usual. Exceptional is a typical high main eventer is a National or above company. A Steve DeColt could fit in this category. B+ Psych and Basics and similar other performance stats(Selling cannot be horrible for any of these but doesnt seem to be as important as Consistency and Safety) Really Fine is a solid main eventer. A really Fine wrestler can easily main event a balanced or lower company. A Jack Bruce fits this mold. Around B to B+ Psycho and Basics and passable performance stats Very Very Good probably isn't Main Event Level. At this point you are starting to deal with workers who may not have enough psychology to be adequate ring generals, however they are still very good, and good midcarders or possible main eventers in more popularity driven. Very Good is seemingly the worst of the notable ones....after this you are dealing with a pretty mediocre talent. This is around C Psych and Basics. Just enough to get the job done. More research on X and Z later this week to finish up Hot Prospects. NBT is done. NUMBERS ARE NOT EXACT, NUMBERS ARE ROUGH ESTIMATES, I AM A ROBOT NOT A MIRACLE WORKER. UPDATE: More research done on ring skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn_waters Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 <p>I'm not sure the first half is right...unless I mis-read.</p><p> </p><p> I have Mainstream Hernandez as a Next Big Thing in my game. His Popularity is only 29 and his Psychology is only 75.</p><p> </p><p> It could be weighted towards your company size, however, since I'm a Cult promotion.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchador Canadiense Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think he is saying that they have to have the potential to reach all three of those... not that they start with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn_waters Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Ah! Right...cool. My apologies then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Nobody has anything to contribute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Other than someone being 29 and younger, I don't think your conditions for a Next Big Thing are accurate. I've had people come up as NBT and they had incredibly low stats(30s-40s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 It means they have the <em>potential</em> to reach the minimum stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 <p>For hot prospects there is also the darkhorse for success message</p><p> </p><p> not really sure exactly what the messages mean though</p><p> </p><p> For example I see terrible workers like Extreme Deluxe under hot prospects</p><p> I sign him as he is a postive influence in the locker room </p><p> </p><p> Tempted to do some expermenting</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 <p>just signed a bunch of guys 28 years old or less put them as midcarders here are the results</p><p> </p><p> KC Glenn- dark horse he is showing signs of turning into a fantastic in-ring performer</p><p> </p><p> jerry martin-break out star exceptional in ring talent </p><p> </p><p> regular joe potient break out star really fine in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> phobia dark horse really fine in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> ricky turner dark horse really fine in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> amazing fire fly dark horse very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> philippe lagrenier someone who should be handled carefully as its clear</p><p> that the 25 year old has all the raw materials needed to create a big star</p><p> in the future if he fulfils his in ring potential then he is going to be a very</p><p> very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> jeremiah moose- darkhorse very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> melvin otto dark horse really fine in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> roderick remus there is a definitely a sense that he could have a lot of </p><p> success in the future if he fulfils his in ring potential then he is going</p><p> to be a very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> arthur dexter bradley dark horse very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> penfold perdition dark horse very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> rayne man dark horse really fine in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> josh jones dark horse really fine in-ring performer</p><p> </p><p> high flyin hawaiian dark horse pretty good in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> joji dark horse very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> bradley blaze dark horse bery good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> nigel svensson dark horse very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> curis jenkins a potential break out star there seems to be a tangible</p><p> sense of destiny with the 28 year old he definitely has the potential to </p><p> become a very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> vikki victoria dark horse very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> anders thunder dark horse a very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> mercuito sleep dark horse very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> sterling whitlock dark horse a very very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> canadian crusher dark horse a very good wrestler</p><p> </p><p> taylor kidd - there is a definitely a sense that he could well have a </p><p> lot of success in his future there are signs he will end up a solid in</p><p> ring performer</p><p> </p><p> giant brody dark horse pretty good in ring performer</p><p> </p><p> no shows on hot prospects</p><p> </p><p> joffy laine</p><p> ernest youngman</p><p> el mitico jr</p><p> remmy honeyman</p><p> riley mcmanus</p><p> </p><p> there were others but those guys are kinda surprising to me because i normally sign them</p><p> </p><p> that is also the order they appeared after looked at the list made the 5 guys main eventers and looked at the list again rinse and repeat</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 <p>Dark horse is probably 73 > 78 but I haven't tested it yet. Haven't had the time.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> "here is a definitely a sense that he could well have a </p><p> lot of success in his future"</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I've never seen this. And I'd be willing to bet it's a relatively low overness cap that isn't even worth it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Looks like from your data set Curtis Strong and Phillip Legrenier are going to be the stars there.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Dark Horse is maybe 65-71 and "Sense of success in future" is 72 - 77 roughly</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I'd like to test condition Z in the topic OP....but the variables are so wild it's going to be time consuming and difficult so I'll try it on one of my off days.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwhippy" data-cite="mrwhippy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It means they have the <em>potential</em> to reach the minimum stats.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yes. If it wasn't clear enough. This is basically a way to view your youngsters caps before you start pushing them.</p><p> </p><p> If you follow this thread you should have a really good idea on how high they can reach overness wise as well as their limitations.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The ring skills will be a beat trickier to translate but I've got a general range that it goes by.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 So "huge" is better than "sky?" It's been my (mis?)understanding that the "sky seems to be the limit of where his career can go" means he's capable of reaching 100 overness, since 100 is the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 <p>Huge is higher but you could probably reach and maintain 100 overness depending on the size of your company with a mid 90s cap(and given you got them to 100 in the first place im assuming you have a huge company with a huge PPV and tv deal.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I usually can maintain my workers between 5-10 points past their cap with mild regression occurring during periods where the worker isn't going over and doesn't have a feud.</p><p> </p><p> Bret Hart for me is an 85 but he's perpetually around 90-91 given my usage of him and the high grades he pulls. Muta was around 83-84 with a 75 cap until I deliberately depushed him to Upper Midcard.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yes. If it wasn't clear enough. This is basically a way to view your youngsters caps before you start pushing them.<p> </p><p> If you follow this thread you should have a really good idea on how high they can reach overness wise as well as their limitations.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The ring skills will be a beat trickier to translate but I've got a general range that it goes by.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's not that clear. Generally when someone says there are conditions for something, and then lists things, those are rules that have to be met in order to reach that something. Might want to change the phrasing a bit so it's less confusing since I'm not the only person that took it that way.</p><p> </p><p> Still though, great thread.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="TLCJR4LIFE" data-cite="TLCJR4LIFE" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Huge is higher but you could probably reach and maintain 100 overness depending on the size of your company with a mid 90s cap(and given you got them to 100 in the first place im assuming you have a huge company with a huge PPV and tv deal.<p> </p><p> </p><p> I usually can maintain my workers between 5-10 points past their cap with mild regression occurring during periods where the worker isn't going over and doesn't have a feud.</p><p> </p><p> Bret Hart for me is an 85 but he's perpetually around 90-91 given my usage of him and the high grades he pulls. Muta was around 83-84 with a 75 cap until I deliberately depushed him to Upper Midcard.</p></div></blockquote>Interesting and good to know. Will definitely effect my booking strategies.<p> </p><p> What's your interpretation of the "It would be wise to book him carefully so as not to damage or reduce his potential impact" warning? Does that mean we shouldn't book him weakly or we should give him a long run in the midcard to get his skills up before pushing him to the main event?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLCJR4LIFE Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 <p>It means he's going to reach a popularity higher than almost anyone in the database and i he isn't booked strong you won't capitalize off of it.</p><p> </p><p> The way he is booked should depend on his starter skills and the strength of your organization and..of course your booking style.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> If you want to play the game for grades it's better to wait until they reach the 80s in psych and basics and boost their charisma as high as possible before making them a Tier 1 Main eventer(ie the Main Eventers that are headlining PPVs)...when you get really big..like International you will essentially have a Tier 2 Main Event that's basically a glorified Upper Midcard...they can hang out there for a while....just be careful you are matching them with Ring Generals that can help them get better and carry them to high grades when they have lower psychology.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> The way TEW works is the headline will always have the biggest effect on your show grade, so you need to prioritize to maximize that grade first...which is why you need your most popular worker to have Basics/Psych and Charisma...star quality helps too but that's mostly static.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinsuke Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 <p>Ah, finally someone else is obsessed with understanding the creative meeting oracle <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Here's what I figured out a few months back:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I figured the ranking of the phrases would be something like the following but I'm not entirely sure if got them all:<p> </p><p> Overness:</p><p> 1. the sky is the limit</p><p> 2. potential to become a huge star</p><p> 3. potential to become a big star</p><p> 4. potential break-out star</p><p> 5. a lot of success in the future</p><p> 6. dark horse</p><p> </p><p> Skills:</p><p> 1. fantastic</p><p> 2. exceptional</p><p> 3. really fine</p><p> 4. very, very good</p><p> 5. very good</p><p> 6. pretty good</p></div></blockquote> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchador Canadiense Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="edenborn" data-cite="edenborn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> What's your interpretation of the "It would be wise to book him carefully so as not to damage or reduce his potential impact" warning? Does that mean we shouldn't book him weakly or we should give him a long run in the midcard to get his skills up before pushing him to the main event?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I've never seen these warning before. Where or how did you get this, out of curiousity?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Luchador Canadiense" data-cite="Luchador Canadiense" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I've never seen these warning before. Where or how did you get this, out of curiousity?</div></blockquote>It's a warning you get in the Creative Meeting when you have a Next Big Thing who also shows up on the Hot Prospects list as being a "potentially huge star in years to come." I'm playing a game right now where Matthew Keith has that potential. His NBT entry reads: <p> </p><p><em> 23 year old Matthew Keith has almost unlimited potential; he seems to have that something special about him that might just translate into potential superstardom. It would be wise to book him carefully so as not to damage or reduce his potential impact.</em></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchador Canadiense Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Intriguing. Don't think I've ever seen that one yet. Mind you, I have only ever seen 'fantastic' for in-ring workers once, so there is a first time for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Luchador Canadiense" data-cite="Luchador Canadiense" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Intriguing. Don't think I've ever seen that one yet. Mind you, I have only ever seen 'fantastic' for in-ring workers once, so there is a first time for everything.</div></blockquote>That's probably a testament to your ability to commit to a game. I tend to be a serial restarter. <p> </p><p> Incidentally, if I'm not mistaken, above 'fantastic' on the Hot Prospects list is 'phenomenal.' Super rare.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luchador Canadiense Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="edenborn" data-cite="edenborn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="36932" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's probably a testament to your ability to commit to a game. I tend to be a serial restarter. <p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't make any assumptions about my ability to commit to a game. I've had one game go two-and-a-half years (ACPW, where 1 year in I switched to IPW after an opening came up), and two others that lasted a full year (ACPW and MAW). All of those were small promotions. I've also run one tour for BCG on two separate occasions.</p><p> </p><p> Outside of that, most of my games are lucky if they survive to the six month mark.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edenborn Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, with me, I'm drawn to running Cult-sized or higher companies but the vast majority of my games are lucky to go beyond two months before I get bitten by the "let's try something different" bug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwhippy Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Can someone more familiar with the way this works tell me why this guy isn't on the NBT or Hot Prospect list? I'm 5 months into the game. 26 year old (3 Year Pro) Lower Midcarder Basics 72 (up from 68) Psychology 69 (up from 66) Microphone 91 (up from 86) Charisma 84 (up from 79) Acting 85 (up from 81) Star Quality 79 Popularity 53 (up from 20) Does this mean he has a low cap on overness or maybe psychology? I don't want to be pushing him for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 <p>mrwhippy - from my experience it is a low population cap</p><p> although with his mic skills probally can get his own popularity</p><p> which means he may be usefull to feud with your "new" guys to get them</p><p> up to speed</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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