Hive Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I might be doing things wrong, but I'm having a really hard time getting people over on TV. Long win streaks doesn't seem to do anything, only PPV victories seem to matter for me (which, on the other hand, usually has a dramatic effect). Is this normal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lr10540 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 You can get a little bit of overness from tv shows. Most gains come from events though. It's similar to reality as most tv matches are kinda throwaway or non-decisive wins. A talent that is featured weekly, and booked strongly can get over decently, usually to around 50 from what I've seen. After that it gets harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Overness gains on TV are 25% of what they'd gain on PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Interesting, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Is there a difference between what people gain/lose in overness from winning on A-shows in comparison to B-shows? And does events with more prestige give bigger gains/losses than regular ones? Oh, and what's the rule for gaining overness in losses? I've had people gain much, much more from losing on PPV than winning on tv... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Really, with this change in 2013, TV is 100% for the company to grow and 0% for the worker with PPV's being 25% for the company and 75% for the worker. Really wondering if you wouldn't be better off going with old TNA and a random B show along with weekly PPV's with one big one per month. It's a weird change going more towards a pre-90's setup where TV is irrelevant for wrestlers (the big weekly house show was all TV was for back then). Used to be good for pre-booking your PPV to build heat, but that got dropped in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gord Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Really, with this change in 2013, TV is 100% for the company to grow and 0% for the worker with PPV's being 25% for the company and 75% for the worker. Really wondering if you wouldn't be better off going with old TNA and a random B show along with weekly PPV's with one big one per month. It's a weird change going more towards a pre-90's setup where TV is irrelevant for wrestlers (the big weekly house show was all TV was for back then). Used to be good for pre-booking your PPV to build heat, but that got dropped in 2013. Not true. Overness gains on TV are 25% of what they'd gain on PPV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Not true. I've pretty much never, ever seen gains from TV in any of my games. Granted, they might be gaining 0.4 then the weekly house show pushes them over, but in my diary game with CWA, I had Randy Savage with my TV belt winning around 12 matches (all way above his pop since it is an equal fed), and he didn't gain diddly squat even when factoring in cutting promos on my two weekly house shows (one in each area). When you can put a TV title on someone and produce amazing matches for months (and pretty darn amazing promos too) with pretty much no pop growth, that's a little absurd. And my point is that TV is necessary until you hit National (and high enough overseas to get PPV), then I really don't see the drawback to running weekly PPV's vs an A TV show. The wrestlers will gain more pop from those which means better matches, attendance will be about the same as will the money for the event (PPV buys vs fixed $30k-60k or so for TV). I think that could very well be a legit strategy, and one that if I ever pick the game back up with a National fed (that would be the issue) I'd try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I've pretty much never, ever seen gains from TV in any of my games. Granted, they might be gaining 0.4 then the weekly house show pushes them over, but in my diary game with CWA, I had Randy Savage with my TV belt winning around 12 matches (all way above his pop since it is an equal fed), and he didn't gain diddly squat even when factoring in cutting promos on my two weekly house shows (one in each area). When you can put a TV title on someone and produce amazing matches for months (and pretty darn amazing promos too) with pretty much no pop growth, that's a little absurd. And my point is that TV is necessary until you hit National (and high enough overseas to get PPV), then I really don't see the drawback to running weekly PPV's vs an A TV show. The wrestlers will gain more pop from those which means better matches, attendance will be about the same as will the money for the event (PPV buys vs fixed $30k-60k or so for TV). I think that could very well be a legit strategy, and one that if I ever pick the game back up with a National fed (that would be the issue) I'd try. Aren't there penalties if you run 4 or 5 ppv's a month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I've pretty much never, ever seen gains from TV in any of my games. Then you must not have been paying attention to that at all. People gain and lose overness on tv all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DutchMagpie Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Then you must not have been paying attention to that at all. People gain and lose overness on tv all the time. Correct, I signed Kevin Owens in my TNA game and he went from a midcarder with C+ overall popularity to a Main Eventer with a B and B+ popularity overall and an A rated popularity in two regions. I have booked him in 19 matches and only of of those was a PPV match, the rest on TV. Isn't the amount of viewers a main factor in this ? If your TV show has a small reach and and low ratings, the progress of your workers' popularity could go slow, or am I wrong ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Then you must not have been paying attention to that at all. People gain and lose overness on tv all the time. I just think it is wonderful that I've repeatedly gotten the "special" version of TEW in every iteration (didn't buy 07) of the game. Repeated ripping of every comment I make about my experience with this game really just sucks the urge to even boot the game up because obviously my game is completely bugged. I mean one of the foremost mod creators on here has the same issue, but obviously, I'm making my up or just too stupid to comprehend the game. Just to prove what I'm talking about. Here's Randy Savage's overness in my diary game. Note: I had PPV the last two months with Big coverage thus the bigger gains. His record is 15-2-3 (w/d/l). One loss was on PPV, one on the first house show (in SE region), and the last one on TV. http://i.imgur.com/6EZCrSx.png?1 As you can see, the biggest gains are purely spillover and winning that last PPV match. He's made 8 defenses of his TV title (TV show has mainly been in the SE region btw with a few in GL) plus winning 3 rounds to crown the champ. The two weekly house shows are in SE and GL so all the TV pop gains (and PPV) are in the other 9 areas. Jerry Lawler's (mostly singles matches as Savage tagged a bit and was all 3 of his losses) pop shows exactly the same thing (5 points in the F starting areas and less if he had D pop) for 3 months until you hit PPV. So yeah. TV really, really puts people over. Oh, the network is ESPN which in this mod Medium size and Big Coverage on Early Evening nearing a 1.00 rating (started in the low 0.50s). Btw, I get why Adam changed it. I'm fine with it. I was just responding to a legendary modder's comment about his similar struggle. It really fixes your card in place though unless you push someone really, really hard by doing some expensive matches (what I call those where you job a main eventer out to a midcarder so you have to pay them so they're not furious at you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I just think it is wonderful that I've repeatedly gotten the "special" version of TEW in every iteration (didn't buy 07) of the game. Repeated ripping of every comment I make about my experience with this game really just sucks the urge to even boot the game up because obviously my game is completely bugged. I mean one of the foremost mod creators on here has the same issue, but obviously, I'm making my up or just too stupid to comprehend the game. Calm down. I simply responded to your statement that you've never seen popularity gains on tv in any of your games and simply told you that workers gain and lose overness on tv all the time. How that statement offended you is beyond my comprehension. Your screenshot doesn't prove anything, by the way. But just compare their overness before and after a tv show and you'll see that your wrestlers will gain and lose overness. Especially those with cocky or cool gimmicks will have pretty hefty popularity gains/losses, even on a tv show. And as jaysin already told you: They're not as big as on a pay-per-view event, but they're noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Nection Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Oh, the network is ESPN which in this mod Medium size and Big Coverage on Early Evening nearing a 1.00 rating (started in the low 0.50s). Btw, I get why Adam changed it. I'm fine with it. I was just responding to a legendary modder's comment about his similar struggle. It really fixes your card in place though unless you push someone really, really hard by doing some expensive matches (what I call those where you job a main eventer out to a midcarder so you have to pay them so they're not furious at you). I actually asked Adam if there has been anything that has been patched or changed that is causing what you are talking about. I don't think it's that hard to get somebody over on TV. How is Savage's momentum? How is his gimmick score? There is something that is affecting him not gaining very much. Are you making him win over the correct gimmicks in correlation to his? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I actually asked Adam if there has been anything that has been patched or changed that is causing what you are talking about. I don't think it's that hard to get somebody over on TV. How is Savage's momentum? How is his gimmick score? There is something that is affecting him not gaining very much. Are you making him win over the correct gimmicks in correlation to his?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's everyone on the roster that I was pushing in the game. That's why I included Lawler in my comment. People that are either cutting a great angle every show and/or winning a TV match. It's that way in every mod I've played in 2013. I run only a select few groups of gimmicks (mainly Brute, Cocky, Wholesome, and Cool with a rare Unique or Weasel). That's because I don't run Comedy high and Gimmicky doesn't work well at all with those gimmicks mentioned above. I just avoid the "I've just signed a superstar who is midcard and immediately job my over people to him" way of catapulting someone. If someone is at UMC or Main Event and not ancient or a lousy wrestler, I tend to keep them there (by only losing to other UMC or ME), and I was only 6 months into the game so no contracts were anywhere close to coming up.</p><p> </p><p> And to Kingster, the OP was clearly <strong>NOT</strong> talking about minute (0.0-0.4) pop gains or losses. So yeah, my post does prove that getting people over on TV is an issue for myself and Hive. 1-3 points per month for someone you're really pushing is pitiful. So yes, you are 100% right. I'm sure they've been gaining a measly few tenths of a point of pop per show. Yippee. That's what we weren't talking about, and you know it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> And to Kingster, the OP was clearly <strong>NOT</strong> talking about minute (0.0-0.4) pop gains or losses. So yeah, my post does prove that getting people over on TV is an issue for myself and Hive. 1-3 points per month for someone you're really pushing is pitiful. So yes, you are 100% right. I'm sure they've been gaining a measly few tenths of a point of pop per show. Yippee. <strong>That's what we weren't talking about, and you know it.</strong></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep, I know it. And I wasn't talking about it, either. I was talking about pop gains/losses that are visible in the actual game (as opposed to the editor). And believe it or not, I've seen plenty of those on tv shows. You saying they never happen is simply wrong.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep, I know it. And I wasn't talking about it, either. I was talking about pop gains/losses that are visible in the actual game (as opposed to the editor). And believe it or not, I've seen plenty of those on tv shows. You saying they never happen is simply wrong.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> And here we go again, I give you proof that I haven't been seeing it, and you call me a liar or a moron. Oh and 0.5 is all it would take to have it show up, which is just 0.1 more than what I posted. Instead of actually reading what I've posted and suggesting things, I am a liar or a moron. Great. Thanks for not helping. Guess it is just my "special" game. 3 points in pop over 3 months for people I'm actively super-pushing is pathetic. How about we discuss that? Can we even agree that that is pathetic, or is it just me being a moron? Have any advice for Hive since he's the one that brought it up? Nope. Guess he's got a "special" game too.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingster Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>And here we go again, I give you proof that I haven't been seeing it, and you call me a liar or a moron. Oh and 0.5 is all it would take to have it show up, which is just 0.1 more than what I posted. Instead of actually reading what I've posted and suggesting things, I am a liar or a moron. Great. Thanks for not helping. Guess it is just my "special" game. 3 points in pop over 3 months for people I'm actively super-pushing is pathetic. How about we discuss that? Can we even agree that that is pathetic, or is it just me being a moron? Have any advice for Hive since he's the one that brought it up? Nope. Guess he's got a "special" game too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yep. You're a liar and a moron. That was obviously what I was going to point out. And it's obviously a conspiracy against you.</p><p> </p><p> Seriously, you seem to just be looking for beef and you don't seem to accept that there are other players who made different experiences with the game. Plus, the discussion is going round in circles, so I'm out of here.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colby Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Kingster" data-cite="Kingster" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yep. You're a liar and a moron. That was obviously what I was going to point out. And it's obviously a conspiracy against you.<p> </p><p> Seriously, you seem to just be looking for beef and you don't seem to accept that there are other players who made different experiences with the game. Plus, the discussion is going round in circles, so I'm out of here.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Might as well give up bro, this guy is impossible. Constantly starting ignorant arguments about what he feels the game mechanics should be. As I've said before, post it in the suggestions forum as it clearly isn't a glitch; the game is working properly. Every time I fire up TEW I have various issues I encounter that I dislike, however as opposed to trolling the forums I just start a word doc of "wants/suggestions" or just post it right into the forum.</p><p> </p><p> Gaining popularity on TV has been set up to be more difficult then it was in the hey-day of television to push wrestling in the 80's and early 90's when PPV was just growing. As it's a simulation of the wrestling scene circa roughly 2013. Based on your size of fed, visibility and booking...everything seems in line. As people have tried to explain. I think the overness settings are pretty in-line with real-life and aren't high on my priority of upgrades if we get a new TEW.</p><p> </p><p> Regardless of "era" specific settings that are currently un-editable, everything seems to work well for me after a few years. However... not everything can be perfect, thus I hope we eventually get another iteration of this great series. Example being, specifically something as small as TV ratings and how they work. 10,000 per "1.0" rating (per the default, in real-life it's a million per "point") and the in-ability to change how few people seemingly see a television product each week regardless of size and fed overness, really bothers me and it's almost purely cosmetic. For example you can have your WCW/WWF "M.N.W." shows produce realistic "point" sized ratings (e.x. "5.0") but it only translates to roughly 500,000 people even after editing your ratings settings to 100,000 per "point".</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smartman Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Colby" data-cite="Colby" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Might as well give up bro, this guy is impossible. Constantly starting ignorant arguments about what he feels the game mechanics should be. As I've said before, post it in the suggestions forum as it clearly isn't a glitch; the game is working properly. Every time I fire up TEW I have various issues I encounter that I dislike, however as opposed to trolling the forums I just start a word doc of "wants/suggestions" or just post it right into the forum.<p> </p><p> Gaining popularity on TV has been set up to be more difficult then it was in the 80's, 90's, heck probably even the early to mid 00's. As it's a simulation of the wrestling scene circa roughly 2013. Not everything can be perfect, thus I hope we eventually get another iteration of this great series.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well, I was going to edit my post, but why bother now. Glad Colby that you read the entire thread including the multiple times I said that I was fine with the change to the game Adam made between 2010 and 2013. I understand why it was in there. I have absolutely no problem with this! I'm not a huge fan of it when it produces results like this though, and pointing it out shouldn't result in a slamfest on the person pointing it out.</p><p> </p><p> I do have a problem with people that completely disregard my experiences with the game and call me a liar just because they've experienced something different. Oh and again, I am not the person that started this thread!!! So exactly why are you ripping me for posting about this in this thread? And again, just because it never happens to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to someone else. The want-to-be board police (as opposed to the actual mods who do a good job) on here is just ridiculous. "Post it here or we're going to rip you!" "Know exactly how we do things and never step out of line, ever, or we'll rip you!" You do realize why new people are few and far between on this board, right? That's why.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colby Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="smartman" data-cite="smartman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="40377" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well, I was going to edit my post, but why bother now. Glad Colby that you read the entire thread including the multiple times I said that <strong>I was fine with the change to the game Adam made between 2010 and 2013. I understand why it was in there. I have absolutely no problem with this! </strong><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">I'm not a huge fan of it when it produces results like this though, and pointing it out shouldn't result in a slamfest on the person pointing it out</span></em></strong><strong><em>.</em></strong><p> </p><p> <strong>I do have a problem with people that completely disregard my experiences with the game and call me a liar just because they've experienced something different.</strong> Oh and again, I am not the person that started this thread!!! So exactly why are you ripping me for posting about this in this thread? And again, just because it never happens to you doesn't mean that it doesn't happen to someone else. The want-to-be board police (as opposed to the actual mods who do a good job) on here is just ridiculous. "Post it here or we're going to rip you!" "Know exactly how we do things and never step out of line, ever, or we'll rip you!" You do realize why new people are few and far between on this board, right? That's why.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's because of idiots like you, no one has ever liked this board or the .400 board that came before it. When someone stated your over-reactions are un-true or false, no one said you were a liar. We can't handle your exaggerations and non-sensical ramblings however. Your attitude is horrendous. Stop trying to put words in peoples mouths. Get over it, go outside and enjoy life <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> Have a good day pal!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condors Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I am not sure if there is any penalty or not for TV but i can assure you that you can get workers over on TV. I have a complete roster that have gotten 0-90+ popularity in regions and there only exposure there is from TV. (still no ppv deal). Just book smart and give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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