Mods By Fleisch

[Fleisch]

I think I may have finally fixed Japan (or at least to a point where it's now playable).

 

NOAH currently start at around 31/32 popularity and have workers at around 50 overness and below (with 2 exceptions being Minoru Suzuki and Masato Tanaka who are at 55). They are getting between 250-400 attendance.

 

AJPW is a bit different and I've still got a few tweaks to make. They are also doing around 250-400 mark in terms of attendance.

 

I have done something I really didn't want to do with NOAH (and will need to do with AJPW) and that is set wages based on roster position. Main Eventers in both promotions now have a rate between $750-$1000 per appearance (sliding scale down the roster there after). Whether that reflects real life or not, I don't know but it was the only way I could keep the companies in business at the start. It does mean you will probably get a lot of workers wanting more money or new contracts but then that's a player choice if you want to give them that money or see them walk away.

[Larrikn]

Have you updated the rosters for the Japan indies like Jiro in W1 should be an Upper Midcarder at least and there's the New Era group, Takuya Nomura should be a midcarder in BJW with Kamaitani as an upper midcarder , Konosuke Takeshita and Mike Bailey are DDT Tag champs, Takeshita should be a Main Eventer with Bailey as a midcarder just a couple examples, good job anyway I know Japan can be hard to keep up with

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Larrikn" data-cite="Larrikn" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Have you updated the rosters for the Japan indies like Jiro in W1 should be an Upper Midcarder at least and there's the New Era group, Takuya Nomura should be a midcarder in BJW with Kamaitani as an upper midcarder , Konosuke Takeshita and Mike Bailey are DDT Tag champs, Takeshita should be a Main Eventer with Bailey as a midcarder just a couple examples, good job anyway I know Japan can be hard to keep up with</div></blockquote><p> No because I was getting them balanced again first which so far has taken me almost 4 hours to do. Once I'm done balancing I'll try to update but I have no time to work on it until the new year now so February (earliest) is a rough estimate for the next release.</p>

[Filth]

Very minor thing, but War Machine has a lowercase M in the database. I.E. "War machine." I fix it myself each release but just thought I'd let you know! Thanks for the work, Fleisch!

[Gungner]

Why include people who have left the business (like Punk and Christian), who you can't sign to any role? Is it purely so they can be added to a HOF?

[DomNWO]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gungner" data-cite="Gungner" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Why include people who have left the business (like Punk and Christian), who you can't sign to any role? Is it purely so they can be added to a HOF?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well they're probably in there because TEW sometimes randomly puts them back into the business, and also so that people who want to use them can without having to make or import them.</p>

[MrCanada]

<p>Some CHIKARA stuff to correct/adjust if interested:</p><p> </p><p>

Wani is Kai Katana. Wrestles around the tri-state and was an alternate for the WWE CWC.</p><p> </p><p>

Rock Lobster also wrestles on the indy scene under the masked gimmick "Smiley."</p><p> </p><p>

Just to note, Kai & Smiley work a lot of the same non-Chikara shows. Makes me really assume Hermit Crab, Crawdaddy, & Some of the other unknown masked guys are working there unmasked too.</p><p> </p><p>

Kevin Condron & Jervis Cottonbelly are the same person. Note the physique and most convincingly, the moles/freckles. <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtUX6vyVMAAEV-_.jpg" rel="external nofollow">Condron</a> & <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwRsmfPUIAAEimE.jpg" rel="external nofollow">Cottonbelly</a></p><p> </p><p>

I'm not sure your stance on what to do with CHIKARA gimmicks outside CHIKARA. You seem to have most guys using their CHIKARA gimmicks as their main names, where I think doing the opposite seems to be better for sim purposes. Its really up to you obviously.</p><p> </p><p>

Silver Ant could be Tracy Williams (especially since he uses that gimmick way more)</p><p>

Hype Rockwell could be The Reason</p><p>

Race Jaxon could be Logan Easton LaRoux</p><p>

Kevin Condron could be Jervis Cottonbelly or Condron. I'd actually probably argue for Cottonbelly at this point.</p><p>

Blaster McMassive could be Thomas Stintson (or wait until him and Burke get proper names in Evolve and use them)</p><p>

Rock Lobster should be Smiley</p><p>

Missile Assault Ant could be RB Banks</p><p>

Arctic Rescue Ant could probably be Bullet Ant</p>

[Fleisch]

Some CHIKARA stuff to correct/adjust if interested:

 

Wani is Kai Katana. Wrestlers around the tri-state and was an alternate for the WWE CWC.

 

Rock Lobster also wrestlers on the indy scene under the masked gimmick "Smiley."

 

Kevin Condron & Jervis Cottonbelly are the same person. Note the physique and most convincingly, the moles/freckles. Condron & Cottonbelly

 

I'm not sure your stance on what to do with CHIKARA gimmicks outside CHIKARA. You seem to have most guys using their CHIKARA gimmicks as their main names, where I think doing the opposite seems to be better for sim purposes. Its really up to you obviously.

 

Silver Ant could be Tracy Williams (especially since he uses that gimmick way more)

Hype Rockwell could be The Reason

Race Jaxon could be Logan Easton LaRoux

Kevin Condron could be Jervis Cottonbelly or Condron. I'd actually probably argue for Cottonbelly at this point.

Blaster McMassive could be Thomas Stintson (or wait until him and Burke get proper names in Evolve and use them)

Rock Lobster should be Smiley

Missile Assault Ant could be RB Banks

Arctic Rescue Ant could probably be Bullet Ant

 

I did think about reversing the names myself at one point so think I might do it for next release. I'll delete the Jervis already in the game and give Condron the gimmick. I also just found out about Smiley (didn't know he was Rock Lobster though) and was going to add him... now all I need to do is change Rock Lobsters starting gimmick! Bonus as it means less work.

[Bluestillidie00]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrCanada" data-cite="MrCanada" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><p> </p><p> Kevin Condron & Jervis Cottonbelly are the same person. Note the physique and most convincingly, the moles/freckles. <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtUX6vyVMAAEV-_.jpg" rel="external nofollow">Condron</a> & <a href="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwRsmfPUIAAEimE.jpg" rel="external nofollow">Cottonbelly</a></p><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wait what!? Need more information on this.</p>

[WillyWillyWilly]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Bluestillidie00" data-cite="Bluestillidie00" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wait what!? Need more information on this.</div></blockquote><p> There are two Cottonbellys </p><p> <a href="http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis</a></p>

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="WillyWillyWilly" data-cite="WillyWillyWilly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are two Cottonbellys <p> <a href="http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> TJ Cain no longer works as Jervis Cottonbelly. Hasn't done for many, many years.</p>

[Filth]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="WillyWillyWilly" data-cite="WillyWillyWilly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are two Cottonbellys <p> <a href="http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis" rel="external nofollow">http://www.cagematch.net/?id=666&search=jervis</a></p></div></blockquote><p> More than that, really. TJ Cain, Vin Gerard, and now whoever (it's Condron) is portraying Cottonbelly now.</p>

[PhenomenalPat]

<p>Fleisch, </p><p> </p><p>

how are ya man. I'm back from the dead! Atleast it felt like that at times. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p>

Just wanted to say I'm glad to see your still going strong, and that an all woman's Mod done by the likes of the great Fleisch, is the TEW equivalent of a wet dream for me. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[MrCanada]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>TJ Cain no longer works as Jervis Cottonbelly. Hasn't done for many, many years.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didnt know TJ Cain played Cottonbelly at one point, or that TJ Cain was even a person. I know Vin Gerard is generally accepted to be the guy who originally had the gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Much like Icarus was Thunderfrog originally, during the Wrestling Is... era. A good deal of the "fringier" Chikara gimmicks are typically actually just doubles. Much like Los Ice Creams were Hallowicked & Quackenbush. Unsure who they are now TBH. I've heard both that they seem to rotate the Los Ice Creams, but its still mostly guys already on the roster under the masks most of the time.</p>

[TheElTaco]

Someone mentioned it before and it was shut down, but I think some of the women in WWE need a bit of a pop boost. Alexa Bliss is an E- and she's the Women's champion of Smackdown, Bayley could use a boost too.

[vince123]

<p>Hey Fleisch,</p><p> </p><p>

Love playing all your mods but have two points about the RWC that you may consider looking at.</p><p>

First is Reigns Psychology. i don't now if you already changed this in the last one but as far as i remember he has a very low psych(in the 40's i believe). Sure he is no the best but i think that this is little low. i usually up it immediately to somewhere between mid 60-to low 70 because i think it is more reasonable.</p><p> </p><p>

the second thing is the Scouting levels. you probably never looked at this since starting the mod( completely understandable) but right now guys who have been in the world for years like Bray Wyatt are still at scouting level 1.</p><p> </p><p>

Thanks in advance for maybe looking in to this and whether or not you change anything just keep doing what you do and bring out these great mods.</p>

[Poputt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I did think about reversing the names myself at one point so think I might do it for next release. I'll delete the Jervis already in the game and give Condron the gimmick. I also just found out about Smiley (didn't know he was Rock Lobster though) and was going to add him... now all I need to do is change Rock Lobsters starting gimmick! Bonus as it means less work.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Maybe up his popularity by a few points in the Southwest USA Region since he actually wins matches in CWFH and had their tag belt for a long time. While you're at at, change his sexuality to bisexual. Don't ask.</p>

[hbkb9]

Just dropping in to say thanks for all the hard work that goes into this. To everyone who helps out.

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MrCanada" data-cite="MrCanada" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didnt know TJ Cain played Cottonbelly at one point, or that TJ Cain was even a person. I know Vin Gerard is generally accepted to be the guy who originally had the gimmick.<p> </p><p> Much like Icarus was Thunderfrog originally, during the Wrestling Is... era. A good deal of the "fringier" Chikara gimmicks are typically actually just doubles. Much like Los Ice Creams were Hallowicked & Quackenbush. Unsure who they are now TBH. I've heard both that they seem to rotate the Los Ice Creams, but its still mostly guys already on the roster under the masks most of the time.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah TJ Cain was the original Jervis Cottonbelly. Vin took over the gimmick shortly after TJ Cain headed back to the UK and then the gimmick was given to a couple of people who rotated into the role (like the Los Ice Creams gimmick). Now I guess it's Condron.</p>

[Poputt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah TJ Cain was the original Jervis Cottonbelly. Vin took over the gimmick shortly after TJ Cain headed back to the UK and then the gimmick was given to a couple of people who rotated into the role (like the Los Ice Creams gimmick). Now I guess it's Condron.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He's had it since 2011/2012 when he came out of the Wrestle Factory. I kinda feel bad about exposing this but it's apparently on track to being common knowledge now. Probably why they took Kevin off of commentary in Arizona, didn't wan't nerds like us starting "Jervis" chants.</p>

[Fleisch]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Poputt" data-cite="Poputt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>He's had it since 2011/2012 when he came out of the Wrestle Factory. I kinda feel bad about exposing this but it's apparently on track to being common knowledge now. Probably why they took Kevin off of commentary in Arizona, didn't wan't nerds like us starting "Jervis" chants.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wow. Didn't realise Condron had been under the mask that long. Honestly thought after Vin that it was a few of the other guys rotating. I might have to change Condrons debut.</p>

[Big Mark Smark]

<p>Hi Fleisch, big fan of the mod! I opened the latest (December 2016) file to do a TNA save and the gimmicks & dispositions were a bit surprising. Also some other stuff like EC3 having an average body type, but mainly the gimmicks. Notes follow:</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>"Broken" Matt Hardy: Currently Crazy (Below Average). Hardy's "Broken Brilliance" has been critically acclaimed this year so I'm baffled by the low rating. Considering the success of the Broken gimmick, I would have expected a custom gimmick, or at least Charismatic Enigma.<p> </p><p> Abyss: Monster (Very Good). Sure.</p><p> </p><p> Aiden O'Shea: Bad Ass (Below Average). Bad Ass seems to have been a default setting for TNA's roster. The O'Shea character has actually been operating as Billy Corgan's Sidekick since his introduction. This act carried on after Corgan left TNA, with O'Shea doing vignettes with workers going in to see "the boss". He would probably fit SIDEKICK (Unique) better.</p><p> </p><p> Al Snow: Staff Member (Average). Snow's character of late hasn't been a backstage member of staff. He's been an on-screen character as the manager of the Tribunal and an occasional wrestler. After his face turn, Snow is probably working a LEGEND (Unique) gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Allie: Cocky (Above Average). She never worked a cocky gimmick in TNA. Allie was introduced as an ANNOYING sidekick for Maria Kanellis, but she's since made her face turn and her act is probably best described as a FORCED HEEL gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Andrew Everett: Cocky (Below Average). Probably fine.</p><p> </p><p> Aron Rex: Genius (Below Average). This isn't Rex's gimmick. He's working as an OLD SCHOOL HEEL, complete with a dubiously taped fist used for knockout blows and a towel with some sort of irritant in it.</p><p> </p><p> Baron Dax & Basile Baraka: Bad Ass (Below Average & Great respectively). These guys were introduced as Evil Foreigners, but after turning on Al Snow the "Tribunal" they have been played up as judge, jury, and executioner. They're probably closest to LAW ENFORCER.</p><p> </p><p> Bram: Bad Ass (Average). After being repackaged as part of the DCC, Bram's gimmick is probably MAN ON A MISSION. It's not really clear what the DCC want but James Storm's rambly promos indicate that they have some sort of great goal to achieve. (Arguably they're Anti-Authority but RWC has that as a Face gimmick.) One option for the DCC is ANONYMOUS, as the DCC gimmick is clearly derived from the internet organisation of the same name.</p><p> </p><p> Brandi Rhodes: Old School Face (Very Good). Yep.</p><p> </p><p> Braxton Sutter: Old School Face (Average). This is about right.</p><p> </p><p> Brother Nero: Crazy (Average). In a similar boat to Broken Matt and clearly helped to develop the Broken gimmick, but his on-screen performance isn't as out there. Really could stay with Charismatic Enigma as it's a Generic gimmick in RWC.</p><p> </p><p> Caleb Konley: Arrogant Heel (Above Average). He hasn't really featured on Impact, so - sure?</p><p> </p><p> Cody: Old School Face (Very Good). Cody's TNA act was Second Generation - his theme starts off with the line "There is more than one royal family in wrestling".</p><p> </p><p> Crazzy Steve: Weirdo (Great). A lot of Weird and Crazy gimmicks are in the zone of what Steve's doing right now and this is as good as any.</p><p> </p><p> Davey Richards: No Gimmick Needed (Average). We haven't seen Davey in ages, but it's probably right.</p><p> </p><p> Dixie Carter: Authority Figure (Legendary). If you can read that without laughing, leave it as it is.</p><p> </p><p> DJZ: DJ (Average). I guess? His current entrance is kinda Daft Punk, but beyond that he's not really pushing the DJ angle.</p><p> </p><p> Drew Galloway: Old School Face (Above Average). He hasn't been a face for some time, having turned shortly after Aron Rex's debut. His current gimmick is BITTER as his promos often reference the ungrateful fans and how he never should have stood up for them.</p><p> </p><p> Eddie Edwards: No Gimmick Needed (Poor). Eddie's gimmick transitioned to UNDERDOG during his feud with Lashley and that act has defined his championship run.</p><p> </p><p> Eli Drake: Old School Heel (Above Average). The Eli Drake character doesn't cheat that often. He's much closer to the Arrogant Heel/Obnoxious gimmick, constantly insulting the babyfaces and fans.</p><p> </p><p> EC3: Cocky (Average). Maybe. EC3's face act is practically a Sting tribute, so I would tend to think of him as a Fan Favourite or Old School face.</p><p> </p><p> Gail Kim: Old School Face (Below Average). Once it was announced that she would be inducted into the HoF, and perhaps a bit before that, Gail was being given the LEGEND treatment.</p><p> </p><p> Grado: Fun Babyface (Great). Maybe in Scotland. In TNA, he's a Comedy character and "Fun Foreigner" is a much better fit.</p><p> </p><p> Gregory Shane Helms: Cocky (Below Average). It's not a bad fit but really he's an Old School Manager in almost all of his appearances of late. (Apocalypto was the exception and that really doesn't count.)</p><p> </p><p> Jade: Fan Favourite (Very Good). Probably right.</p><p> </p><p> James Storm: Bad Ass (Below Average). Should share a gimmick with Bram and Kingston.</p><p> </p><p> Jessie Godderz: Cocky (Average). He hasn't been Cocky since reforming the Bro-Mans. Jessie's current gimmick is probably Old School Face.</p><p> </p><p> Kingston: Bad Ass (Above Average). Like the rest of the DCC, he's part of an invading faction rather than a stand-up ass-kicker so he should have the same as Bram & Storm.</p><p> </p><p> Lashley: Legitimate Athlete (Great). Not since his turn. Lashley is an ARROGANT HEEL these days.</p><p> </p><p> Laurel Van Ness: Old School Heel (Poor). Laurel's TNA gimmick is pretty entertaining and definitely cocky. I'd probably put her down as THE FUTURE.</p><p> </p><p> Madison Rayne: Old School Face (Very Good). Sure.</p><p> </p><p> Mahabali Shera: Fun Babyface (Great). Still accurate.</p><p> </p><p> Mandrews: Underdog (Above Average). He's just turned Heel so the next update should reflect that. Short of any further appearances, I'd say that the's JEALOUS of DJ Z's success - that was certainly the story of his turn.</p><p> </p><p> Maria Kanellis: Bitch (Below Average). This is adequate but EGOMANIAC would be closer to Maria's "FIRST Lady of Professional Wrestling" gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Marshe Rockett: Thrill Seeker (Above Average). Marshe works as a Cocky Heel in TNA. He has proclaimed himself as THE FUTURE of the X-Division, so that's probably the best gimmick.</p><p> </p><p> Marti Belle: Cocky (Below Average). Maybe? Her post-Doll House character is probably closer to BITCH.</p><p> </p><p> Mike Bennett: Chosen One (Very Good). Bennett doesn't act alongside an authority figure the way that Chosen One would imply. He's probably just an ARROGANT HEEL.</p><p> </p><p> Moose: Dual-Sport Superstar (Average). Yep.</p><p> </p><p> Raquel: Old School Face (Average). Her character in TNA is totally looks based. She's using BABE.</p><p> </p><p> Rebel: Arrogant Heel (Above Average). This is OK but I think she's been released. (No longer on Cagematch's TNA roster.)</p><p> </p><p> Reby Hardy: Bitch (Realistic). She's doing the same Broken gimmick as the Hardy Brothers, though not nearly as entertainingly. Again, short of making a new custom gimmick, she could have Charismatic Enigma.</p><p> </p><p> Robbie E.: Cocky (Average). Robbie has been doing COMIC RELIEF angles with Grado for weeks.</p><p> </p><p> Rockstar Spud: Turncoat (Very Good). Spud's current gimmick is probably COMIC RELIEF as he is routinely the butt of the joke.</p><p> </p><p> Rosemary: Weirdo (Great). Sure.</p><p> </p><p> Sienna: Bitch (Above Average). This is probably on target now. She was doing a Brute gimmick as Maria's enforcer, but with Laurel coming in Sienna seems to be doing her own thing.</p><p> </p><p> Tigre Uno: Thrill Seeker (Below Average). I think he's been released (again, Cagematch), but this is fine.</p><p> </p><p> Trevor Lee: Cocky (Average). Not particularly. I could buy Trevor's TNA character as a HILLBILLY or SLOB, but he's not really a braggart.</p><p> </p><p> Tyrus: Bodyguard (Great). He's not acting as Matt Hardy's muscle any more, though this gimmick isn't far off what he's doing as "The Fixer". I think Tyrus's Face act is probably Bad Ass at the moment, short of a more specialised gimmick like "Gun for Hire".</p></div></blockquote>

[Filth]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Big Mark Smark" data-cite="Big Mark Smark" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Hi Fleisch, big fan of the mod! I opened the latest (December 2016) file to do a TNA save and the gimmicks & dispositions were a bit surprising. Also some other stuff like EC3 having an average body type, but mainly the gimmicks. Notes follow:</div></blockquote><p> The very first one you mention a problem with the low rating. Gimmick rating is set to random.</p>

[Poputt]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Fleisch" data-cite="Fleisch" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41205" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wow. Didn't realise Condron had been under the mask that long. Honestly thought after Vin that it was a few of the other guys rotating. I might have to change Condrons debut.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yup. I'd put it January 2012 for simplicity's sake.</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EUU196Fq25U?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="GentleMania I - Check. Your. Pulse."></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/obZmP8GPOsU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Wrestling Is Awesome: Dutchess of Fairfield"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> Also, I don't think he should be on the CHIKARA roster anymore. He's been working (as Cottonbelly) exclusively in CWFH/CWFA this year save a few events. Enough about Jervis though, when are you going to give Sasha Banks A* popularity?!?!!?!?! <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[nutt2252]

a few things to note:

 

• Ryder's torn patella tendon will keep out at minimum til' April or May, September 2017 at the latest.
  
• Quiet Storm tore his bicep and will have surgery to repair it. He will miss 6-9 months.
  
• Super Porky (Brazo de Plata) stated he will miss eight months (roughly August 2017 return) as he is having gastric bypass surgery and will also have knee surgeries during that time frame.