[HYPE] War Of The Immortals 5

Sami_Zayniac · March 7, 2017

I would agree with Dragon Gate. However, it is by far the one I am most familiar with so that may be why.

vtechguy · March 7, 2017

Dragon Gate, a lot of great talent has come in and out of their doors.

Chikbot · March 7, 2017

Leaving out Dragon Gate is a sin tbh, so out of those 3, I say them most likely

The people that got famous strictly through NOAH can be relegated being FAs like Marufuji and KENTA(if you don't already have him in NXT) because all the people from there were made in AJPW

OPW doesn't need to be there, but like with NOAH, I'd like to be sure like Delfin, Ebbesan and Kamen were on the FAs at least

Can we see a list of the companies already in? That'd probably help people think of who would fit

ZakZero · March 7, 2017

Dragon Gate

mrkayfabe · March 7, 2017

Leaving out Dragon Gate is a sin tbh, so out of those 3, I say them most likely

The people that got famous strictly through NOAH can be relegated being FAs like Marufuji and KENTA(if you don't already have him in NXT) because all the people from there were made in AJPW

OPW doesn't need to be there, but like with NOAH, I'd like to be sure like Delfin, Ebbesan and Kamen were on the FAs at least

Can we see a list of the companies already in? That'd probably help people think of who would fit

Sir you think exactly like me. I agree NOAH is basically AJPW-Lite, OPW has most of its stars in the FA's anyway, buuuutt, Dragon Gate is the promotion I am least familiar with [this doesnt mean I wont go with the majority, or put 123487% into making the Company.

So with that all in mind your last question.....well I did state I didn't want to release the company list [i enjoy the anticipation, just like the Survivor Series 1990] but since you asked and basically by that I mean agreed with me ill put together a list, including Alliance's!

mrkayfabe · March 7, 2017

Front Page has Company List

And if someone would be so kind as to make a TITAN SPORTS Logo for me that would be amazing, the one in the info graphics at the front of the thread was just thrown together.

RaptorMcFly · March 8, 2017

Since you already mentioned alliances, can you give us an outline of the Alliance title plans? I hope each alliance gets a world, if not a tag or women's as well.

Chikbot · March 8, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrkayfabe" data-cite="mrkayfabe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sir you think exactly like me. I agree NOAH is basically AJPW-Lite, OPW has most of its stars in the FA's anyway, buuuutt, Dragon Gate is the promotion I am least familiar with [this doesnt mean I wont go with the majority, or put 123487% into making the Company. So with that all in mind your last question.....well I did state I didn't want to release the company list [i enjoy the anticipation, just like the Survivor Series 1990] but since you asked and basically by that I mean agreed with me ill put together a list, including Alliance's!</div></blockquote> Thanks, I'm sorry to ruin the surprise, but it helps people better decide who they want to be added Might I suggest EMLL as an option for the classic lucha flare? Or FMW too as well since they were basically the inventors of deathmatch wrestling,maybe combine it with WING*, Apache Army and Big Japan into a Japanese Deathmatch company Or to complete the Deathmatch alliance that exists IRL, maybe BJPW? if you don't add Big Japan, please give us the ability to sign guys from there because their Hardcore talent along with their big men are amazing.

The Celt · March 8, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrkayfabe" data-cite="mrkayfabe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Front Page has Company List And if someone would be so kind as to make a TITAN SPORTS Logo for me that would be amazing, the one in the info graphics at the front of the thread was just thrown together.</div></blockquote> Do you any kind of logo or the actual logo? Because I've looked but can't seem to find any instances of a real logo for them. Edit: <img alt="Titan_Sports_logo.jpg" data-src="https://s4.postimg.org/hehzvowl9/Titan_Sports_logo.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> For the meantime here's a stand in.

mrkayfabe · March 8, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RaptorMcFly" data-cite="RaptorMcFly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Since you already mentioned alliances, can you give us an outline of the Alliance title plans? I hope each alliance gets a world, if not a tag or women's as well.</div></blockquote> <a href="https://ibb.co/nrhAGF" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="tumblr_inline_nb5hh38_U9_L1r54n0t.jpg" data-src="https://image.ibb.co/jtE1Ov/tumblr_inline_nb5hh38_U9_L1r54n0t.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a> <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chikbot" data-cite="Chikbot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Thanks, I'm sorry to ruin the surprise, but it helps people better decide who they want to be added Might I suggest EMLL as an option for the classic lucha flare? Or FMW too as well since they were basically the inventors of deathmatch wrestling,maybe combine it with WING*, Apache Army and Big Japan into a Japanese Deathmatch company Or to complete the Deathmatch alliance that exists IRL, maybe BJPW? if you don't add Big Japan, please give us the ability to sign guys from there because their Hardcore talent along with their big men are amazing.</div></blockquote> I have EMLL/CMLL in the National Wrestling Alliance. As for FMW, They were in WOTI4 and I do like a bit of the old ultraviolence myself sometimes, but alas they folded over the last 4 years [breaking kayfabe I felt that I wanted to shake things up a bit] this doesnt mean they might not make a comeback in a future edition. And this leads me on to Big Japan. I have some knowledge of BJPW, biut feel it would just be replacing FMW with BJPW. I will however look to add more workers from the company into the FA's. EDIT: Just remembered I started adding DG last night! <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Do you any kind of logo or the actual logo? Because I've looked but can't seem to find any instances of a real logo for them. </div></blockquote> Thank you Sir. As for the logo I have also scowered the internet for a logo of some sort. I have even thought about just screencapping some credits on the old Slammy Video release's. Ideally I would like to have a logo that is befitting the era so 1984 - 2003 is a long time, but more of a late 80's to mid 90's feel to a original logo would be fantastic. Also using the Font or something very similar from the Vinnie Mac press pass I used on the front page. The bottom line is, I will happily consider anything that people are willing to produce.

mrkayfabe · March 8, 2017

One more "idea"

What about splitting TNA into 2 companies.

<a href="https://ibb.co/b2wFiv" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="what.jpg" data-src="https://image.ibb.co/ezPPbF/what.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a>

Wait hear me out. So TNA has "grown" as a company since TEW2013, and by that I mean, much like your mum everyones been given a chance, and by that I mean the Roster could be massive and there is a distict difference between the old NWATNA and the new Impact Wrestling TNA.

So my vision is to have NWATNA as part of the NWA obviously, this would add more prestige onto the Alliance as well. Then have Impact Wrestling as an Independent.

<div style="text-align:center;">NWA-TNA

2002–2007

Owner- Jeff Jarrett/Dixie Carter

Booker- Scott D'Amore/Jeff Jarrett

Impact Wrestling

2008-2017

Owner- Dixie Carter/Billy Corgan

Booker- Dave Lagana</div>

Thoughts?

I understand that Dixie was there a long time before 2008 but Corgan doesnt really fit. As for the bookers. I understand that Lagana is a weak choice and people like Russo, Bischoff and Prichard were more in charge than Lagana, but they have bigger more important roles else where in the WOTI5 Universe, maybe even Lagana is better suited else where. So yeah what you saying people?

LBCEFC · March 9, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrkayfabe" data-cite="mrkayfabe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One more "idea" What about splitting TNA into 2 companies. <a href="https://ibb.co/b2wFiv" rel="external nofollow"><img alt="what.jpg" data-src="https://image.ibb.co/ezPPbF/what.jpg" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></a> Wait hear me out. So TNA has "grown" as a company since TEW2013, and by that I mean, much like your mum everyones been given a chance, and by that I mean the Roster could be massive and there is a distict difference between the old NWATNA and the new Impact Wrestling TNA. So my vision is to have NWATNA as part of the NWA obviously, this would add more prestige onto the Alliance as well. Then have Impact Wrestling as an Independent. <div style="text-align:center;">NWA-TNA 2002–2007 Owner- Jeff Jarrett/Dixie Carter Booker- Scott D'Amore/Jeff Jarrett Impact Wrestling 2008-2017 Owner- Dixie Carter/Billy Corgan Booker- Dave Lagana</div> Thoughts? I understand that Dixie was there a long time before 2008 but Corgan doesnt really fit. As for the bookers. I understand that Lagana is a weak choice and people like Russo, Bischoff and Prichard were more in charge than Lagana, but they have bigger more important roles else where in the WOTI5 Universe, maybe even Lagana is better suited else where. So yeah what you saying people?</div></blockquote> There should definitely be 2 TNA's, TNA as a company has changed so much between its founding and now and the focus has changed quite a lot as well

The Celt · March 9, 2017

WOTI has always been more of an America-centric mod anways, so having two eras of TNA wouldn't be insane.

Splitting the roster might be a bit tricky, but it'd doable. Make NWA:TNA the real original roster with guys like Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, while Impact would be guys like the Pope, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Robbie E, Zemi Ion etc. Not sure who'd get AJ Styles; you might have to give him to Impact to make up for the fact Impact won't have Jeff or Matt Hardy if the Attitude era retains them. Or even put him in both.

I think adding another era of TNA makes more sense than adding Japanese promotions. I can't imagine too many people actually play Japan in WOTI, because A) There's not all that much going on in Japan in WOTI and B) Japan isn't loaded up with Legends the way America has been in WOTI.

I guess NWA:TNA would get the Spike TV slot while Impact Wrestling would be on Pop.

vtechguy · March 9, 2017

Oh yeah, TNA/Impact Wrestling has come a long way from the Asylum days.

Chikbot · March 9, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WOTI has always been more of an America-centric mod anways, so having two eras of TNA wouldn't be insane. Splitting the roster might be a bit tricky, but it'd doable. Make NWA:TNA the real original roster with guys like Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, while Impact would be guys like the Pope, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Robbie E, Zemi Ion etc. Not sure who'd get AJ Styles; you might have to give him to Impact to make up for the fact Impact won't have Jeff or Matt Hardy if the Attitude era retains them. Or even put him in both. I think adding another era of TNA makes more sense than adding Japanese promotions. I can't imagine too many people actually play Japan in WOTI, because A) There's not all that much going on in Japan in WOTI and B) Japan isn't loaded up with Legends the way America has been in WOTI. I guess NWA:TNA would get the Spike TV slot while Impact Wrestling would be on Pop.</div></blockquote> I agree with this if you want to be america centric 2 TNAs is fine

Markw · March 9, 2017

WOTI has always been more of an America-centric mod anways, so having two eras of TNA wouldn't be insane.

Splitting the roster might be a bit tricky, but it'd doable. Make NWA:TNA the real original roster with guys like Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, while Impact would be guys like the Pope, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Robbie E, Zemi Ion etc. Not sure who'd get AJ Styles; you might have to give him to Impact to make up for the fact Impact won't have Jeff or Matt Hardy if the Attitude era retains them. Or even put him in both.

I think adding another era of TNA makes more sense than adding Japanese promotions. I can't imagine too many people actually play Japan in WOTI, because A) There's not all that much going on in Japan in WOTI and B) Japan isn't loaded up with Legends the way America has been in WOTI.

I guess NWA:TNA would get the Spike TV slot while Impact Wrestling would be on Pop.

I'll be very sad if AJ Styles or AMW aren't in NWA:TNA.

As somebody who went off TNA around 2007, I'm definitely a big fan of the idea of splitting TNA in two like that.

RaptorMcFly · March 9, 2017

I think NWA TNA would be better fit on Fox Sports and the 2008 to present would be better fit on Spike.The Spike era was "bigger" as having Hogan and EB involved and they dropped the NWA name in 2007. Obviously Hogan and Bischoff have bigger runs so I wouldn't expect them to be in TNA. Maybe there is enough for a 3rd TNA?

Jeff Jarrett, Monty Brown, AMW (or just Chris Harris), Petey Williams, Michael Shane, Kid Kash, Chris Sabin, Lance Hoyt in NWA TNA

Samoa Joe, Kaz, Daniels, Roode, Alex Shelley, Morgan, LAX in Spike Era

Wes Brisco, Garrett Bischoff, DJ Z, Joseph Park, Crimson, Rob Terry, EC3, Crazzy Steve in 3rd

NWA TNA: 2002 - 2005

Spike 2006 - 2011

Pop 2012 to Present

Thoughts?

The Celt · March 9, 2017

IMO, A 3 way split probably wouldn't work out.

What you have to take into account is that the 5 guys working on top of TNA from 2005 to 2015 were: Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Sting, Kurt Angle and Jeff Hardy. 3 out of those 5 are unlikely to be in a TNA promotion: Sting is a lock for WCW:nWo and Angle likely to be in either the WWF Attitude Era or WWE Ruthless Aggression. Jeff is also likely to be in WWF Attitude.

Any version of TNA is going to be a regional company, and therefore won't be able to keep high level guys on a contract. So even if a TNA started with a Kurt Angle, the AI from the other companies would just immediately snatch him.

Scott Steiner, Ken Kennedy and Bully Ray were another group of top card guys, and you're only going to get one of those if you're lucky: Hiring Bully Ray from ECW, if he's not immediately snatched up on a written contract by a bigger company.

If you split TNA 3 ways, you split the roster 3 ways and water it down too much.

There's enough of a difference between the NWA:TNA days and Impact wrestling days to justify a split: Because there was a decade between them the rosters, broadcasters and even owners are all very different.

Also TNA didn't leave Spike until 2015. The post-Spike years aren't really a whole era yet, and the roster is a constant state of flux, very hard to represent.

Chikbot · March 9, 2017

Yeah, TNA will be missing plenty people if we seperate it into two companies

We won't have Matt Hardy on IMPACT

Joe will probably be in ROH by default

The Dudleys will be in ECW by default

Daniels might be in ROH

AJ will probably be there

Christian will be in WWF Attitude like the last WOTI

To be honest, seperating it into 2 rosters is watering it down

mrkayfabe · March 9, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Celt" data-cite="The Celt" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WOTI has always been more of an America-centric mod anways, so having two eras of TNA wouldn't be insane. Splitting the roster might be a bit tricky, but it'd doable. Make NWA:TNA the real original roster with guys like Low Ki, Jerry Lynn, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, while Impact would be guys like the Pope, Bobby Roode, James Storm, Robbie E, Zemi Ion etc. Not sure who'd get AJ Styles; you might have to give him to Impact to make up for the fact Impact won't have Jeff or Matt Hardy if the Attitude era retains them. Or even put him in both. I think adding another era of TNA makes more sense than adding Japanese promotions. I can't imagine too many people actually play Japan in WOTI, because A) There's not all that much going on in Japan in WOTI and B) Japan isn't loaded up with Legends the way America has been in WOTI. I guess NWA:TNA would get the Spike TV slot while Impact Wrestling would be on Pop.</div></blockquote> Sir you are on the money, Tommys original WOTI didnt include Japanese promotions and I added this in with WOTI 3 onwards, same with Mexico. This being said I am still adding DG and going ahead with the TNA split. With This happening the Company count will reach 56, so I might add 4 more companies. Maybe FMW, what about niche companies like Hoodslam, Incredible Strange Wrestling and even DDT and/or HUSTLE could make a come back? <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="vtechguy" data-cite="vtechguy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Oh yeah, TNA/Impact Wrestling has come a long way from the Asylum days.</div></blockquote> Too true, but ironically they have regressed below the Aslyum days? <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Markw" data-cite="Markw" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'll be very sad if AJ Styles or AMW aren't in NWA:TNA. As somebody who went off TNA around 2007, I'm definitely a big fan of the idea of splitting TNA in two like that.</div></blockquote> Im not too sure what you'll do when you get your hands on WOTI5! <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RaptorMcFly" data-cite="RaptorMcFly" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I think NWA TNA would be better fit on Fox Sports and the 2008 to present would be better fit on Spike.The Spike era was "bigger" as having Hogan and EB involved and they dropped the NWA name in 2007. Obviously Hogan and Bischoff have bigger runs so I wouldn't expect them to be in TNA. Maybe there is enough for a 3rd TNA? Jeff Jarrett, Monty Brown, AMW (or just Chris Harris), Petey Williams, Michael Shane, Kid Kash, Chris Sabin, Lance Hoyt in NWA TNA Samoa Joe, Kaz, Daniels, Roode, Alex Shelley, Morgan, LAX in Spike Era Wes Brisco, Garrett Bischoff, DJ Z, Joseph Park, Crimson, Rob Terry, EC3, Crazzy Steve in 3rd NWA TNA: 2002 - 2005 Spike 2006 - 2011 Pop 2012 to Present Thoughts?</div></blockquote> This is something that will happen if WOTI6 is made <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Chikbot" data-cite="Chikbot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, TNA will be missing plenty people if we seperate it into two companies We won't have Matt Hardy on IMPACT Joe will probably be in ROH by default The Dudleys will be in ECW by default Daniels might be in ROH AJ will probably be there Christian will be in WWF Attitude like the last WOTI To be honest, seperating it into 2 rosters is watering it down</div></blockquote> Correct Maybe Correct Incorrect Where? Ask His Peeps

The Celt · March 10, 2017

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrkayfabe" data-cite="mrkayfabe" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="41237" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sir you are on the money, Tommys original WOTI didnt include Japanese promotions and I added this in with WOTI 3 onwards, same with Mexico. This being said I am still adding DG and going ahead with the TNA split. With This happening the Company count will reach 56, so I might add 4 more companies. Maybe FMW, what about niche companies like Hoodslam, Incredible Strange Wrestling and even DDT and/or HUSTLE could make a come back? </div></blockquote> Two things though: Firstly, The more companies in the game, the slower games advances due to the amount of decisions the AI has to make for each company. You wind up with a lot of lag. Secondly the more companies in the game, the more each company gets sapped during regional battles. It's more difficult and difficult if you're playing as a smaller company. IMO WOTI is more about the All-Stars of (American) wrestling locking horns, rather than miscellaneous promotions. The two current main RW mods for TEW2016 don't even include ISW or Hoodslam, and they try and cover most of everything current. If anything, one or two promotions could be dropped. Personally I'm not sure why APW is even in WOTI, nevermind bigger than PWG in the same area, when outside of appearing in Beyond the mat, APW has never really been that influential.

mrkayfabe · March 10, 2017

Two things though: Firstly, The more companies in the game, the slower games advances due to the amount of decisions the AI has to make for each company. You wind up with a lot of lag. Secondly the more companies in the game, the more each company gets sapped during regional battles. It's more difficult and difficult if you're playing as a smaller company.

IMO WOTI is more about the All-Stars of (American) wrestling locking horns, rather than miscellaneous promotions. The two current main RW mods for TEW2016 don't even include ISW or Hoodslam, and they try and cover most of everything current.

If anything, one or two promotions could be dropped. Personally I'm not sure why APW is even in WOTI, nevermind bigger than PWG in the same area, when outside of appearing in Beyond the mat, APW has never really been that influential.

You are right that 60 would probably be too much load time.

As for WOTI ethos, well yeah you are sorta correct. WOTI is about having [like it says on the tin] all the immortals waring against each other. As the series has progressed I have added to this idea by trying to represent "era's" or "genre's" of wrestling. So for example, in WOTI4 I including FMW not just to add to the Japanese scene, but also it represented a certain style and era of wrestling. OVW is a defining era of wrestling, it is the time before WWE cared about developmental and words like NXT and Performance Centre are way way off. So this brings me to APW, firstly yes you are correct PWG does need to be more popular than APW and this and many other popularity ratings are something that will be addressed in WOTI5. But to say it doesnt really "deserve" to be in WOTI is off the mark sir. Firstly yes APW gained fame through Beyond the Mat [bTM], and this is one reason why its in the mod. BTM is a important "moment" in pro wrestling history IMO. Also APW is in WOTI to show the American Indies before the likes of PWG, Chikara and CZW,. Basically before indy promotions were hip. It could be replace with a promotion like Jersey All Pro Wrestling. ECWA is argueable the "weakest" immortal.

As for the suggestion of Hoodslam its just a very different concept. Maybe even Kaiju Big Battel. Incredible Strange Wrestling was a crazy company from the mid 90s

ZakZero · March 10, 2017

Anything you may need help with to get the release out sooner?

vtechguy · March 11, 2017

Ditto, we got about 5 people on Skype willing to help you ASAP.

mrkayfabe · March 15, 2017

Right lets talk Titles,

Firstly TNA Titles.

So NWA-TNA and TNA Impact Wrestling now exist in WOTI5, here is the rough draft of the title situation.

<div style="text-align:center;">NWA-TNA

NWA World Heavyweight Championship [NWA Alliance]

NWA World Tag Team Championship [NWA Alliance]

TNA X-Division Championship

TNA Super X Cup Tournament [Tournament]

TNA World X Cup Tournament [Tournament]

TNA Impact Wrestling

TNA World Heavyweight Championship

TNA World Tag Team Championship

TNA Women's Knockout Championship

TNA Television Championship</div>

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