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So, answering my own question, I've seen some successfull cases of people ordering outside of the U.S. but still I'm not gonna order it now. Probably going to wait and see the initial reaction. Besides, if they don't improve their product until WM, there's really no point in me supporting their wallets when WM (at least right now) is not something I'm craving to see. They need to get their shit together before I can even think about buying.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Smasher1311" data-cite="Smasher1311" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>LOL, yeah. My friends here in Brazil are doing it too.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Were they successful?</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>So has anyone's opinion on this Punk thing changed? Or do a lot of people still believe its a work? They didn't even mention his name. Also the fans started a small CM Punk chant to start but nothing to great and it died out fairly quickly. I'm still not sure what his deal was. He says that Triple H was not a big enough match for him at Wrestlemania....what did he WANT to do? He wasn't going to be in the main event even without Batista because this is Daniel Bryan's year. Dude has earned that shot through crowd reaction alone. So what exactly was Punk planning on doing as the number 3 babyface on RAW? I mean isn't this the same thing as Mankind refusing to wrestle Big Show at Wrestlemania XV because he was the number 3 face and deserved a "bigger match". It doesn't really make any sense. <strong>Cena's not pissed off about facing Bray Wyatt who is MUCH less of a star than Triple H.</strong> Anyway boring show the build up to Mania is going slooooooow I think I'm tuning out until the WWE Network launches even on fast forward these shows put me to sleep.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh sure. It's not like Cena has ever main evented WM, hogged the spotlight for a decade, burried the Nexus on his own initiative (acording to Y2J and Edge), participated in the disgusting Sandow burial (he tends to appear at several of these moments. Yet, I rarely hear a story that says "Cena did it, but adamantly. He did not want to do it."), and so on. He's on is way to beating Flair's recognized 16 world title record and he's pretty much done it all at this point, except for breaking the streak. Sure...he's not pissed about facing Wyatt. Then again, let's see how that match goes and we'll talk later.</p><p> </p><p> I might be a Cena hater, but the way you talk about Punk and even Danielson (washed up version? You mean: "I only like indy stuff so I'm gonna bash at the mainstream career of Bryan?). And I'm not even rambling just because I think you're wrong at everything you said. Most of your posts in this specific page are spot on. Raw is boring, i fell asleep watching it last night, the remarks you make about the storylines in your other post are also spot on. You are a smart guy, you know what you're talking about, I respect that. Just don't use Cena examples when I'm around, unless you plan to give Punk an unbiased treatment.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Comradebot" data-cite="Comradebot" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I demand a double clothesline that sends both men flying out of the ring from the most amazing dual overselling the world has ever seen.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> As Seth Rollins would say..."I can fall over a barricade to this!" <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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The Perfect Athtlete Shanna is awesome. And not just because she's Portuguese. In fact i have been criticizing my fellow Portuguese wrestling fans that are happy that she might sign with TNA (on a full time basis, since that isn't confirmed yet) just because of her nationality, when some of them haven't even watched a match or a promo of hers. It will be a good add to their women's division and I hope they keep her around permanently.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I just finished the Triple H documentary. Pretty good watch and funny. I have never been a big fan of him, but I am looking forward to when he takes over for Vince. <p> </p><p> One of the funniest lines was Batista saying Triple H is the Michael Jordan of wrestling. <img alt=":rolleyes:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/rolleyes.png.4b097f4fbbe99ce5bcd5efbc1b773ed6.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I like HHH, but Thy Kindgom Come has made nothing to change (or help a bit) the notion that already exists from him. The Batista comment saying he's the Michael Jordan of wrestling just makes it worse. All & all, it was a fun watch, and a good thing to see if you're a HHH fan, or if you're a fan of the mainstream style DVD's from WWE. But at the end of the day, no matter how many times HHH wanted to say he was "in love" with wrestling, blah blah blah, no one's really going to believe it. And I'm not saying it's not true. Just saying or implying it 50.000 times along 3 hours won't help him at all. Just my 2 cents.</p><p> </p><p> Ps: I can even imagine Hunter writting the hole thing and sitting on his director chair, instruting people on how to compliment him. Now that would be fun to watch. <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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And when he's not I'll remember that not only did you want him back but you were certain he would be back as well so him leaving is like the gift that keeps on giving.
Rest assured that whatever happens I will be sleeping like a baby!
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We ended on a good note in agreeance but I wouldn't be me if I didn't point out the irony of you saying "we get it you don't like Punk" after I said I would enjoy him not being on my TV. Take that feeling when you wrote it and apply it to everytime you say similar things about Cena "We get it you don't like Cena". Not trying to argue it was just funny/ironic that you were on the other side of the eye roll this time. Although I will say that I didn't think I've said anything about not liking Punk but twice. Have I mentioned how overjoyed I am that he's gone though? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Your joy will be gone, and that will be my joy! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> He will be back. Don't worry! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>We ended on a good note in agreeance but I wouldn't be me if I didn't point out the irony of you saying "we get it you don't like Punk" after I said I would enjoy him not being on my TV. Take that feeling when you wrote it and apply it to everytime you say similar things about Cena "We get it you don't like Cena". Not trying to argue it was just funny/ironic that you were on the other side of the eye roll this time. Although I will say that I didn't think I've said anything about not liking Punk but twice. Have I mentioned how overjoyed I am that he's gone though? <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh yeah you did. Sadly i like the guy. But he will eventually go back.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Actually that turned out how I think this will. DB was in fact fired, he went to the indies for what six months? And when he didn't trash the company and the moment had died down he was brought back. However it wasn't a work and with that they DID talk about him not being with the company on TV. Wade Barrett said they kicked him out the next week. Anyway I don't care if its a work or not having Punk off of my TV is a plus for me I'll take it anyway I can.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah! I hope we can have more Batista time instead! Now that is what everyone wants! We get it, you don't like Punk.</p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sometimes being a fan of wrestling on the internet hurts my head. There seems to be a vocal minority (I think) that are calling work on this and that the dirt sheets in this case are no more in the loop than we are. <p> </p><p> However when those same dirt sheets tell us Triple H is evil and holding everyone down and doesn't like this guy or that guy we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us Daniel Bryan is being buried we believe it. When the dirt sheets tell us that CM Punk is really gone we DON'T believe it? </p><p> </p><p> I would have thought people would have learned their lesson from the Royal Rumble. The WWE told us he wasn't in the Rumble, Bryan told us he wasn't in it, the dirt sheets were saying there was never a plan for him to be in it and yet people STILL believed he was going to win it. I think a lot of times internet wrestling fans are actually afraid of being "worked". Same thing happened when Bryan was fired, people didn't want to believe it I'm guessing out of a fear of getting "worked" and now the CM Punk issue is the same way. Instead of coming on here or anywhere and saying "CM Punk you were my favorite wrestler you will be missed" or even "I hate that scumbag" its easier to be in denial of the whole thing so IF it was a work if that 1 percent chance that it was a work is true you could take solice in the the fact that a wrestling program still couldn't "get you". </p><p> </p><p> My question is for everyone calling work for this. When has it EVER been a work? It wasn't a work when HBK "lost his smile", it wasn't a work when Hart left after Wrestlemania 12, it wasn't a work when Austin walked out in 02, it wasn't a work when Bryan left (see the post above me describing how that would have made zero sense for it to be a work) and this isn't a work. When have we EVER gotten a report on the internet of someone "walking out on tv tapings" via just the dirt sheet. No promo, no wwe.com non sense just simply the Observer saying "this guy left". When has that ever resulted in a work? The answer never and yet for some strange reason this is the ONE story people don't want to accept from the dirt sheets. There could be an article below it about Triple H worshipping Satan and everyone would be like "I knew it" but an outspoken employee who's hurt, not getting featured in a big way, and says he's financially set walking about in frustration? Somehow thats an obvious work...</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Yeah, this! Stennick said it all in this one. No more words are needed in this subject.</p>
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Why would they do a work this way? Who would they even be working if nobody knows he's gone and they just sort of ignore it? I think its too early to tell what is going on. He probably just took him and his awful looking kicks and finisher and went home.
Yeah, those "awful looking kicks." Sure.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="lazorbeak" data-cite="lazorbeak" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah I also can't believe anybody would legitimately try to argue Monsoon over JR. Nobody but nobody could make a match feel special the way Ross did. He brought a real passion that came through in his play-by-play in a way that elevated what he was working with. <p> </p><p> And he loved skittles. </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/PFIewQRbu4M?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Jim Ross loves SKITTLES"></iframe></div></div></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Indeed. You see how he elevated those Skittles to the next level, how he puts them over? Those Skittles made it to the main event in just seconds. Those Skittles were automatically considered as the next WWE Champion. And "BY GAWD" they would eventually win the title in an epic match called by JR. Because they were frutty...and delicious!!! <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> :D <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>
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I can't believe this discussion is even happening. Gorilla vs. JR. Ross wins every day. That guy could do a match look 10 times better than it was. Gorilla was more bland and repetitive and kind of...dry...in lack of a better word. King/J.R. was definitely the best pairing to ever work at that desk on the WWE. In their prime that is. Cause King nowadays is...well, what we see. And he went to the Stone Cold Show and said (using other polite words) that a spot with Ziggler was what caused him is heart attack. What's that all about? I know he wasn't accusing him per se, he even gave him some compliments, but why talk about this now? It seems that the WWE is really betting on burrying Ziggles. Will we ever know what he actually said in that famous Axess interview that pissed them so much? (Not to mention the rumours he had a disagreement with Orton.)
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I don't like that the Shield listened to Triple H. I feel like it goes against their gimmick.
I'm sorry. You mean The "Shiled Guys" as HHH called them. Yeah, that was bad.
Out of gimmick, indeed. But the segment was good. Still, the reasoning behind Triple H's actions....meh...expected a little more. -
Although I already confirmed it to Ray, ANDA is freeware. That doesn't mean I won't be releasing a new version when I comeback full time, but I don't mind people using it as a base at all. That is actually why I made it in the first place, because there weren't that many bases for a recente RW mod at that time. I've always though that the "Can't use it" approach is mostly wrong, but hey, everyone does with their work what they want. Glad to see that after so many years, we finally got to a better place.
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Rumours last week were that Hulk Hogan would be fired, now the Rumours are that Brook might have already been fired, or is on the verge of leaving. It seems that TNA is finally cleaning house. With Bischoff out the door soon, things could become better, if we weren't about to see the neverending reigns of Jarrett as WHC. Cause I would bet some Money that he will at least try to get involved in the importante storylines. It's how he always booked himself. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />
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If they had promoted Wrestlemania with these type of feuds (like the 2 big ones) they would have had much more buys. This is a good card, with the 2 main storylines being promoted in an excelente way, which is more than enough to sell the PPV, since the rest of the card supports it. As for Punk-Lesnar and Cena-Bryan, it's anybody's ball game at this point. Especially on the Bryan-Cena match, that has a "zillion" of possibilities to end it. This has been a good ride, and the WWE has definitely improved it's product. Let's hope they can keep doing so. And even though TNA still has better wrestling matches on their TV show than WWE's average, WWE is also improving on that. I will definitely be watching Summerslam.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Anyone else really into Summerslam this year? The past few years have felt like "just another PPV" but with Bryan being as hot as he is and Punk/Lesnar I really feel like it's a big deal again.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm definitely in. They haven't worked most of the other stories that good or at all,some were even clearly last minute decisions, but they did a great job with the 2 main events. And to me, that is a good enough reason to watch it. The Bryan-Cena and Lesnar-Punk are putting Summerslam back on the map. Let's hope it's a good PPV.</p>
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That ship has sailed for Wade sadly. He could still be a strong midcarder but he won't be a world champion ever.
Then again he hasn't sunk to losing to Hornswoggle like Ziggler was doing at one point so there is (slim) hope if Ziggy came back from that
A lot of people still think that ship hasn't sailed. I agree with you Show. Sad, but true. the guy deserved a little more imo.
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Speaking of actual WWE stuff, am I the only one thinking that Christian needs to start telegraping his new finsher? The rollup?
Also, the booking of Del Rio as a champ by this point, seems pretty bad. Is there anyone who won't beat him? I loved the Bryan shirt, that was funny. But I feel that being a barber was Barrett's biggest push in a while, which is sad.
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Just to be clear the guy I'm debating this with other than you that "agrees" with you is either YOU or knows you personally in the "real" world. I went back through and looked at his posts and almost everything this guy does on the boards involves you in some way. The first three posts he ever made were all replies to something you posted. He's the one "outraged" that your show didn't get nominated for DOTM so he goes as far as to try and get you some sort of "loophole" to get you nominated. Then you come in all surprised like. So lets not pretend like you don't clearly know this guy outside of this forum at the very least and there is a good chance you might be that guy. So yeah sorry I can't accept him as a credible person. Other than that nobody has came on here and said "I know for a fact I could never like a single thing John Cena ever does". So nice try but not good enough. Next time try not to make everything so obvious. I'm also not the only one that has noticed. Two other good posters on this board hit me up on PM to alert me to the fact. I simply did five minutes of research. I wonder if I went back and broke down his posts what percentage of them would involve you I don't have that amount of free time luckily for you but I'd wager a good amount of 50 percent of them involving you.
1. You're right there is nothing wrong with it. However I just like to point out how without fail if someone mentions John Cena you come running with the torches and pitchforks. Google Mark David Champman sometime and you'll know the exact vibe I get from you.
2. Your second point is the same as your first. You don't like the guy, you never will. I realize this believe me I realize this however I like to point out to you every chance I get how insane you sound and how it has gone from being "SM82 doesn't like him" to "Cena needs a restraining order"
3. So you think John Cena spends hours and hours and hours of his personal time doing this charity work because he's a good company man? I really don't even know what you're saying here. I guess you're saying maybe he's evil....maybe he's not. Which can be said for every human being thats ever been on this planet.....so thank you Captain Obvious?
4. You say that you didn't fly into a rampage over Cena and you weren't talking to me? You realize that Comeradebot wasn't talking to you when YOU went on to point out why you hated John Cena. So let me understand this right. Comeradebot wasn't talking to you but you can still debate him on anti Cena thoughts, but you weren't talking to me and I can't debate you on your thoughts..................because science?
5. My biggest issue is that you HATE John Cena. LIke seriously man I've never hated a proffesional wrestler or anyone that didn't do me great harm in my personal life. I'd like to think that when you say "hate" you are over reacting but you have said it multiple times that you HATE John Cena. I think its obvious that this is more than just wrestling for you. You have a deep seeded, very rooted hatred of a man that you have never met. I realize you will now come in here and say you don't mean hate and that you were just saying the word to be dramatic or full of hyperbole or whatever else. The truth is though that you do indeed hate the guy, you have mentioned it on numerous occasions.
At the end of the day Comradebot wasn't talking to you but you still rushed in here to give a paragraph on your hate to John Cena. However you get all whiny when I come in here and dismantle every reason you have for hating the guy outside of "I hate the character John Cena plays on television" of course now you've learned how silly that is so now you just hate the "performer" as well. Even though you specifically stated you hated him because he has "been pushed down our throats" you didn't say you hated him because of his performance until after the fact. Once I dismantled the "pushed down our throats" argument you went onto other avenues. At the end of the day you don't know why you hate John Cena. I get what you feel towards John I really do. I hate when you see this guy on television every week and you can't stand anything about him. You hate to see him in matches....I felt the exact same way about King Kong Bundy....when I was four years old. So congratulations SM82 you have the rationale of a four year old.
As far as never talking to you about it again. I can do that, as long as you never post another hate ridden speech about the guy on here. But wait thats your RIGHT to talk about you hate John Cena but its not my RIGHT to reply to your hate about John Cena with well thought out, documented counter points......because....................science?
Stay classy SM82 and somebody give Cena a heads up next time he heads to Portugal.
All got from your post was that you needed two guys to pm you before you realized akujy knows me. Of ourse he does. He once had to post here that my account wasn't working. That itself was a pretty good sign that we get along. The fact that he nominated me was a surprise, especially because I hadn't posted a show yet. I never asked him to comment or even read it in the first place. Much like I din't even asked him to come here and talk about it. The fact that you think I would, makes me wonder if you actually think I'm that kind of person. Between all the arguments we ever had, there alway some mutual respect, even when things got heated. So i always thought you could at least think I'm not that kind of person. I'm pretty sure most of his posts follow mine, since we do get along. Tha doen't make his opinion void. I am one of the main reasons he posts here, as he is the reason I post in some other places. The fact users are sending you pm's about me or my friends is pretty much amusing to me. I feel honoured.
Funny thing about DOTM nominations? Check the poles and see how many guys vote for their friends. I never thought that to be weird. It is likely to happen.
Moving on to your actual post, you basically ignored the fact that I, once again, said I don't dislike the man, but the performer. And you keep insisting that I do. I did solid arguments explaining that sometimes people will hate someone's work for illogical reasons. I have those, I also have logical ones. All fine and dandy. And if you do feel the same about some peformer, you wll most likely know how that is like, and that sometimes we will do some exagerated posts. I feel that this discussion has ran it's course in here. But we can always continue it privately. As always it was a pleasure. Until the next time (there will most likely be one) I respectfully (as always) bid you fairwell.
Ps: I will keep hating John Cena. Funny thing about that? It's not as irrational as I make it sound sometimes, but it's pretty interesting to see how so many people considered my posts, or my friends posts to be that important to even PM about them. I never actually PM'ed about anyone's posts, much because I respect everyone's opinion. The bottom line here, I will never stop disliking Cena. So can we move on from this? You seem to take my posts personally, I have no idea why! I sometimes agree with you, others I don't. But unless you were here insulting me, I don't take opinions personally. Now can we agree to disagree on this? If we don't, I feel this discussion might return, and that is pointless.
I'm done with this subject.Take care.
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>One last time to clarify and I won't mention it again (until the next time). If you want to discuss the matter further please feel free to PM me I'm more than open to continuing to talk about this matter until you completely understand. So here it is I will walk through the debate with you. <p> </p><p> </p><p> The debate this time around started atleast my involvement of it started with Comeradebot saying this...</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> so again let me walk you through that. Comradebot's argument is that no matter what John Cena does as a character it will not matter people will not like him no matter what. </p><p> </p><p> Then Shawnmichaels82 followed that up with THIS</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> the rest of what he says is typical non sensical SM82 ranting on John Cena because thats what he does. However his bolded part is what I was and am arguing. </p><p> </p><p> So in case you're having a hard time following this line he's saying that to quote him even if John Cena had the greatest gimmick ever he would still hate John Cena, even if John CEna were a completely different character.</p><p> </p><p> My argument is that 99.9999 percent of people don't feel this way. My argument is that people hate the CHARACTER of John Cena so why in the blue hell would someone hate John Cena if he was playing a DIFFERENT character, especially if it was "the greatest character of all time". </p><p> </p><p> You're saying you don't like John Cena and thats fine. However what you're not grasping or understanding here in your delusion and short sightedness is that you think I'm saying people don't hate John Cena. Thats NOT what I'm saying. What I'm saying is its clear people hate John Cena the CHARACTER but if John Cena became a new character and that character was "the greatest character in the world" that people wouldn't hate John Cena anymore becuase why would you then hate him? If you only hate the character and he's not that character anymore then why would you hate him? There would be no reason. </p><p> </p><p> So if I'm wrong....which I'm not by the way explain to me how exactly it makes sense to hate someone's character and then STILL hate them even if they switched to another character, one that you would like if it weren't being played by John Cena. How does that make any sense what so ever? Its so backwards and unimaginable that you can't possibly explain it with any coherency. "I don't like John Cena because the character he plays has been shoved down our throats for ten years, so the WWE changes his character so something completely new, fresh, exciting and cool and I still don't like John Cena because.................science?"</p><p> </p><p> THAT is the argument. SM82 is saying that no matter what John Cena does in this life he will hate him. All I'm simply saying is that to call yourself a wrestling fan and say without a shadow of a doubt there is NOTHING a WRESTLER can do to change how someone feels about him is just ignorant. I could go down the list of wrestlers that all had lame CHARACTERS....which by the way thats what John Cena is he's a CHARACTER. John Cena is no different than Hunter Hearst Hemsley the blue blood, or Steve Austin the Ringmaster or The Rock as Rocky Maivia, or Sting as Blade, or any other number of guys who had a character that the entire world said "man this guy sucks he's never goign to get anywhere as that character" only to CHANGE characters and become great. Thats my exact point here. Its impossible to say "I don't like this guy because he'll never play a character I enjoy seeing" because Wrestling proves you wrong of this. And if you liked every character your favorite wrestlers of all time ever played then you're a liar. </p><p> </p><p> As I said I won't respond in here again because if you don't understand my argument and why I believes that 99.99999999 percent of the world including you disagree with SM82 refusing to ever like anything John Cena does no matter it is or how cool it might be is ignorant, delusional, short sighted and above all else just plain weird and crazy. Feel free to PM me to continue the discussion but you won't because you'd rather post in here so that the masses can read your four word reply and so that you can counter with such posts as "say no to drugs" which is such a riveting debate counter.</p><p> </p><p> On another note </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> This is exactly it. Think about it. John Cena has been on tv more than any other superstar in history. RAW, Smackdown, Velocity, Heat, NXT, ECW, Main Event, Superstars, 15 pay per views a year. And he's appeared on them ALL. During the Attitude Era up until 1998 it was just RAW and for quite a while it was a one hour show. Then Heat came and it was just one more hour. It wasn't until the END of 1999 that Smackdown even came about. The Rock was gone to Hollywood less than two years after the debut of Smackdown and Steve Austin only wrestled on Smackdown for around a year and a half before he retired. (since he got hurt in 99 and didn't come back until the end of 2000 and was gone in the summer of 2002.)</p><p> </p><p> So no wrestler on the planet has had the exposure that John Cena has had. Even Steve Austin by the time 2004 rolled around and he waas doing the Sheriff Austin schtick people didn't care about him. Hogan got big in 1983 by the time 1990 came along people were bored with him and back then there wasn't even a weekly wrestling show that he was featured on. You saw him a few times a month at best. The reason for most of the Cena backlash is character, over pushing, over saturatian, and the stale product. You're 100 percent right though that the product and just the sheer massive length of time he has been on television screens since his debut and him not being a heel in ten years I think has hurt him.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Since you, by this point, have already started debating this with other people that agree with me - the ones you said you would never see, remember? - it is time for me to clarify some of your own nonsense.</p><p> </p><p> The human mind doesn't always folllow a chain of logical reasoning. This is why a lot of people hate wrestler, actors or any other kind of performers all the time. Most of those people don't known them personally, so they don't hate the persons behind the characters, but they dispise the performers and all their work. This is why a lot of people hate everything someone does. They don't like their manerisms, voice, look, or the whole thing they have to offer as performers. That's why people hate - for exemple - Robert Pattinson and Kirsten Stewart, and will continue to do so, even if one day they come to put on brilliant, academy award winning performances. There isn't always logic to the human mind, and the ways it works.</p><p> </p><p> This is basicly how I feel about Cena. I don't know Cena the man, but I dislike Cena the performer. A lot of things about him are things I dislike. Some may be considered out of the logic realm, like hating his voice - especially when screaming "The Champ is heeeere!" - his manerisms, and things like that, others are logical, like hating his work that has been shoved down my throath for years. Combine them, and that is why I hate John Cena the performer, not the man. Some people will agree, some won't.</p><p> </p><p> Also, when you decide to come down from you pedestal, the one you always seem to be when defending Cena, you will also realise this:</p><p> </p><p> 1: There is nothing wrong with me stating I will probably never like anything he does. If everything about him ticks me off, it's very reasonable that I am aware that no matter how excelente his work may become one day, I will never like it.</p><p> </p><p> 2: I have never - ever, ever, ever - wasted my time, in these discussions we have, trying to tell you: "You need to hate Cena because I do!" In fact, if you ever come here and say to me that you dislike Shawn Michaels (Na exemple) as much as I dislike Cena, I could not care less. That would be your constitutional right, and you would be free to think that. So stop trying to show me any possible good things about him, I couldn't care less about that, I will never like him! Respect that! I don't care if you agree with my disliking, but you need to be pretty arrogante not to agree with my liberties. </p><p> </p><p> 3: I don't care how much of a nice person John Cena can be. I don't hate the person, I hate the performer. What he does in his personal time is his problem. But let me say that Make-a-Wish appearances and charity donations doesn't mean he is a great guy. How many evil men and corporations have already donated to charity since the begining of times? A lot. That doesn't make them good. And most of Cena's work around charity is a promotional tool to the WWE, and the WWE uses it that way. But even if he is the most nice man in the world, I could not care less.</p><p> </p><p> 4: The fact that you even began this discussion when my op post wasn't even adressed to you, mostly shows that if I am in some kind of rampage against John Cena (which I am not, just against his character and him as a performer) you seem to be on a ramapge to defend him. Do you love the man, or his character? Good for you! I don't care! I won't argue that, you are entitled to do so. As I am entitled to dislike him.</p><p> </p><p> 5: Like I said, the human mind isn't always logical in it's reasoning - emotions come to play in a lot of situations - and so a lot of people in this world hate performers that are considered skilled by others. I am not the only person doing this, nor is John Cena the only subject of these kinds of discussions in this world. That is why it is called OPINION. I also don't understand people who dislike Jennifer Lawrence's performance in Silver Linings Playbook, and I don't write mega huge posts trying to make them change their minds. I know it won't happen.</p><p> </p><p> So for the love of god, stop trying to debate something that isn't even debatable. I am entitled to hate Cena, I am entitled to express my dislike of him. You don't like it? Don't even comment. I wasn't even talking to you. DON'T EVER ADRESS ME ABOUT THIS! EVER AGAIN!</p><p> </p><p> Having said this, and like I already said a millions times before, I have no problems with you and I always respected you as a person, as well as your opinions. And I will always be willing to talk to you and listen to your opinions, and sometimes even ask to hear them. Just not on this subject.</p><p> </p><p> I hope I made myself clear. Take care.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Because you don't...</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Precisely. So I don't hate the man. I hate the character. I've said this a million times. When I speak of hating Cena, I'm talking about hating his character.</p>
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<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>UGH....</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Why are you always assuming that I actually don't know him personally?</p>
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