Tuf 10

[rodzillahotrod]

Leg kicks aren't just for wearing someone down. If you are going to discredit someone for doing one thing over and over again I beg of you to never judge a fight. If he scores with the leg kicks and the other guy doesn't do anything (ie, this fight) he wins. Leg kicks can also end fights just view any number of fights where leg kicks have forced a stoppage.

 

2 times, I'd suggest you watch a third. There is no conceivable way anyone could score the second round for Wes Shivers. 0% chance of that.

 

ive said it before i really just started watching mma and im still trying to get through watching all of the ufc events i think i got to 15 before i stopped but i think ive seen enough by now and i do understand the leg kick i havent seen it end a fight though but to me it looks like a great set up move, and im not putting him down for doing multiple leg kicks im just saying thats all he did imo.

 

The second round there was no action at all. I call it a coin flip. They stood there looking at each other most of the time. Shivers got a takedown in the second and controlled from the top. McSweeney landed a handful of leg kicks, couldn't defend the takedown, and stood around idle as much as Shivers. It was a boring round, I think the takedown and top control are about on par with the leg kicks. Regardless of the second, I don't see how you give the first round to McSweeney. Takedowns, domination on the ground, close submission attempts, etc. And Shivers looked better standing too. He used his range, and was scoring enough on his feet that McSweeney was turning his back away from the shots.

 

After watching it again, I think I would score the first for Shivers, the second for McSweeney and have them fight a third round. I certainly didn't see any way to give McSweeney the first round.

 

i think the take down, mount and submission temp was good enough and iirc didnt he do this in the second round as well? i could go for a third round myself but it would of really killed the fight they both was tired as hell but i still think shivers won

 

Honestly this fight was horrible all around really unfortunate that during the

most watched season of TUF ever this was the kind of fight that went down.

 

With that said however I think you can make a good case for either guy in the first. Shivers got a takedown and got to mount but he did nothing with that position. He landed a some decent shots standing but he was so gassed half way through the round Mcsweeney was able to come back and tag him with quite a few jabs and some nasty leg kicks.

 

Im not going to fault anyone for scoring the first in either direction it was a close round. No way Mcsweeney doesnt win the 2nd if anyone gives that to Shivers you dont know how to properly score a MMA fight. If anyone scores it a draw I can understand but you should feel thankful you didnt have to sit through another round of that lol.

 

only thing i could say mcsweeny did in the second round was a close knockout but he didnt follow up and end it he was still running most of the fight imo the guy was only connecting kicks really and was getting countered almost ever kick

[brashleyholland]

Bouts are scored on damage, aggression and octagon control. Shivers lost on all three counts in both rounds.

 

It was an appaling, sloppy, boring fight. It was also a close fight. That doesn't change the fact that awarding it to Shivers would have been daylight robbery.

 

To the guy to said Shivers dominated: What fight were you watching?

[brashleyholland]

So how does Roy Finish him guys Ko or submission? Anybody want to make the bold prediction that Kimbo makes it out of the 1st?

 

I'm not going to make a prediction because unfortunatelly I know the result of the fight. I cover MMA for a big site based out of the UK.

 

What I will say is that the rumours that have been going around for the past few weeks are untrue, to an extent.

 

Nobody predicted that Nelson would fight Kimbo if I remember rightly, but at the same time there are only a small number of potential outcomes. Kimbo gets KO'd or submitted, Nelson gets KO'd or submitted or one of them gets a decision.

 

The 'spoilers' that are out there are well educated guesses. Looking at the quality of the guys we've seen so far, it's not hard to make an educated guess.

 

I'm writing an interview that's going to be done with Kimbo and put on our site next Tuesday, before TUF airs. I'll throw a link up here if anyone is interested.

[Anderz]

so what we've had two fights thus far and none of the fighters involved have looked anything better than average..

 

Wagner looked ridiculously out of his depth.. Madsen shouldve ended that fight long before the decision.. hardly an impressive fight from him.. Shivers was gassed after 2 minutes.. and despite a decent takedown, he didnt look like he knew what to do when he was down there.. McSweeney looked gassed almost as early, but kept going to the leg kicks to secure the win..

 

not sure whether Madsen and McSweeny were deliberately sandbagging so they dont show all that theyve got before it really matters.. but at the moment, ive not seen a 'UFC-calibre' fighter yet..

 

and next week we get Big Roy vs. Kimbo - which will hopefully be a fight worthy of the billing as 'best TUF ever'.. im looking forward to it personally.. Roy should win but you never know.. Kimbo seems to be taking this thing seriously, and I get the impression Roy thinks hes better than it all..

 

only time will tell i guess..

[brashleyholland]

but at the moment, ive not seen a 'UFC-calibre' fighter yet..

 

You probably wont see many more either. If you look at the show's history, they take fewer and fewer guys every year. They've even stopped giving cast members fights on the TUF Finale...last time only Nick and Frank got that privilage, and only Nick has stayed on.

 

Tons of good fighters are rejected from the show for two reasons:

 

1) Not TV material - UK stand-out Abdul Mohamed schooled everyone at the UK tryouts for TUF nine (including a couple of the guys who made the cut) but was turned away because his 'personality' wasn't right.

 

2) They're too good - Dennis Hallman was asked to leave the tryouts last year because he was tapping everyone with wierd, unorthadox submissions...all while dressed as a masked wrestler with a superman outfit on (seriously). Having him in there would have made the show uncompetetive.

 

TUF is for good TV, and little else. If they get 2-3 semi-decent guys out of a season, then great.

 

 

I get the impression Roy thinks hes better than it all..

 

He is. Remember, TUF 10 is the Kimbo show. There were two ways they could have gone with him:

 

1) Put him up against an absolute scrub in the hope that he'll get a good looking KO. This is dangerous as Kimbo himself is a bottom of the barrell HW with a suspect chin and no ground experience (training doesn't count, fighting does).

 

2) Put him up against the best guy you can find who wont absolutly crush him. That way a loss isn't so bad because hey, he lost to an amazing fighter he had no business being in the cage with.

 

Number 2 is where Roy Nelson comes in, and is why Todd Duffy was taken out of the potential cast and sent straight to the UFC. Duffee would have smashed Kimbo to bits on the feet or the matt. Nelson will likely swing a few punches then take him down and submit him...it's easier to bring him back from that.

 

Of course, this is MMA and anything can happen...maybe Kimbo catches Roy and they pull him out of the show due to 'injury' before his next fight. Everyone;s a winner that way.

[rodzillahotrod]

u got some good points i've always thought they was going to have nobodys kimbo can beat so they can have another star for one ppv then i see kimbo either getting destroyed again or them have him face off with people a lil better then him that he can knock out too so they can cover him up maybe even build him up against brock...but i still think kimbo rules and hoping for a lot of great knock outs to me kimbos another brett rogers who really has no chance of being in the mma league but for some reason is surviving and is inspiring people to try out. there both ok stand ups with ko power imo but would be smashed against anyone with a ok stand up and better ground game.

[Anderz]

He is.

 

Im not denying that at all, but I got the impression that he thought he didnt need to work at his game at all.. If he was as good as he thinks he is he wouldve been in the UFC already..

 

My money is still on Big Roy anyway.. I was just saying..

[RennikKain076]

u got some good points i've always thought they was going to have nobodys kimbo can beat so they can have another star for one ppv then i see kimbo either getting destroyed again or them have him face off with people a lil better then him that he can knock out too so they can cover him up maybe even build him up against brock...but i still think kimbo rules and hoping for a lot of great knock outs to me kimbos another brett rogers who really has no chance of being in the mma league but for some reason is surviving and is inspiring people to try out. there both ok stand ups with ko power imo but would be smashed against anyone with a ok stand up and better ground game.

 

We dont know about Rogers yet, it's true his ground game and how well he can take a shot are unknown to us at the moment but stand up wise he's much more dangerous than Kimbo. Just watch each guys fight with James Thompson and you'll see what im saying.

[RennikKain076]

Im not denying that at all, but I got the impression that he thought he didnt need to work at his game at all.. If he was as good as he thinks he is he wouldve been in the UFC already..

 

My money is still on Big Roy anyway.. I was just saying..

 

He couldve went straight to the UFC but he decided to do TUF because he would get much more fan exposure.

[MattitudeV2]

Ok,so the big fight is this week as Kimbo Slice vs. Roy Nelson I like this fight because both look like to me that they are more of brawlers but the thing that I'm going to watch is if Roy's chin can take the wild bombs of Kimbo.

[brashleyholland]

Ok,so the big fight is this week as Kimbo Slice vs. Roy Nelson I like this fight because both look like to me that they are more of brawlers but the thing that I'm going to watch is if Roy's chin can take the wild bombs of Kimbo.

 

Nelson is the best technical fighter on the show. He has better stand up than Kimbo and has defeated guys like Jeff Monson in grapping matches.

 

He's also got a great chin. It's Kimbo's you should be worried about

[brashleyholland]

Im not denying that at all, but I got the impression that he thought he didnt need to work at his game at all.. If he was as good as he thinks he is he wouldve been in the UFC already..

 

Roy's problem recently has been his look. The UFC have been very concious of their image and the image of their fighters in recent years. Roy mentioned in an interview a while back that the UFC was interested in bringing him in if he got rid of his belly.

 

He's yards ahead of some of the guys like McCully, Struve, Hardonk etc...but the UFC doesn't want a 'stud' to get beat by 'the fat guy', because the mainstream news outlets that are picking it up would run headlines like "Ultimate Fighter beat by Fat Guy".

 

 

As for the training on TUF, as I saw it, Roy was unhappy about having to go through the basics with the guys on his team, some of whome are amateur level MMA fighters.

 

The whole season is filmed in just over two and a half weeks, so it's not like anyone is learning anything. Put yourself in Roy's position, you have 2 and a half weeks to win a golden ticket into the UFC...what benefit is there from basic training drills?

[i effin rule]

Roy's problem recently has been his look. The UFC have been very concious of their image and the image of their fighters in recent years. Roy mentioned in an interview a while back that the UFC was interested in bringing him in if he got rid of his belly.

 

He's yards ahead of some of the guys like McCully, Struve, Hardonk etc...but the UFC doesn't want a 'stud' to get beat by 'the fat guy', because the mainstream news outlets that are picking it up would run headlines like "Ultimate Fighter beat by Fat Guy".

 

 

As for the training on TUF, as I saw it, Roy was unhappy about having to go through the basics with the guys on his team, some of whome are amateur level MMA fighters.

 

The whole season is filmed in just over two and a half weeks, so it's not like anyone is learning anything. Put yourself in Roy's position, you have 2 and a half weeks to win a golden ticket into the UFC...what benefit is there from basic training drills?

 

I'm pretty sure it is 6 weeks.

[jesterx7769]

I'm pretty sure it is 6 weeks.

 

Agree.

[Anderz]

The whole season is filmed in just over two and a half weeks, so it's not like anyone is learning anything. Put yourself in Roy's position, you have 2 and a half weeks to win a golden ticket into the UFC...what benefit is there from basic training drills?

 

whats the benefit in pissing off your coaches?

[Tag01]

I'm kind of in the middle. I see where Nelson si coming from, but he obviously came on the show with a superior air. Nelson is a great fighter, underrated, was shafted in the Arlovski fight, and is great all around. But are you really telling me he can't learn something in six weeks from Greg Jackson's crew? It's his opportunity to squander.

 

Not to mention, TUF is how he will build his reputation with the casual fan. I don't know that it's going to help him much if he ends up as "the lazy guy" on the cast, win or lose.

[CapCee]

I'm kind of in the middle. I see where Nelson si coming from, but he obviously came on the show with a superior air. Nelson is a great fighter, underrated, was shafted in the Arlovski fight, and is great all around. But are you really telling me he can't learn something in six weeks from Greg Jackson's crew? It's his opportunity to squander.

 

Not to mention, TUF is how he will build his reputation with the casual fan. I don't know that it's going to help him much if he ends up as "the lazy guy" on the cast, win or lose.

 

There was "the lazy guy" from season 2, ended up doing pretty well for himself.

[Tag01]

There was "the lazy guy" from season 2, ended up doing pretty well for himself.

 

Fair. Doesn't mean he's not squandering an opportunity though.

[CapCee]

Fair. Doesn't mean he's not squandering an opportunity though.

 

Haha I know. I wasn't disagreeing. It's just funny that his coach is the lazy guy from a previous episode

[brashleyholland]

I'm pretty sure it is 6 weeks.

 

Eugh, massive brainfart there! Where I pulled that number from I have no idea...fighting three times in two and a half weeks, D'Oh!

 

They wrapped on the 8th of July, but the last week or so is used for talking head and filler material, giving them about 4 and a half to 5 weeks in the actual house.

 

The point still stands, what's a guy like Roy going to learn doing basic drills in 5, 10 or even 20 weeks of basic drills?

[brashleyholland]

But are you really telling me he can't learn something in six weeks from Greg Jackson's crew? It's his opportunity to squander.

 

 

Absolutly. It's not Jackson's crew that he's training with...there's three guys there. Jackson's team is as good as it is because there are a plethoria of specialist coaches, nutritionalist, strength and conditioning experts, sports psychologists etc living and working together for months on end.

 

If you could 'get good' by going to Jackson's for 5 weeks, everyone would do it. 5 weeks in the TUF gym, with only your TUF teammates to roll with, isn't going to get you very far.

 

Having interviewed a couple of guys from this season and previous seasons, most of the stuff they work on is conditioning (becuase most of the guys turn up in aweful shape) basic striking/grappling workouts/spars and specific drills for when they know who they are fighting. 14 fights taking place in 5 weeks, there's no time for anything else.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Rampage did some extra work with Kimbo!! They showed like 30 seconds of it.

[MattitudeV2]

Nelson is the best technical fighter on the show. He has better stand up than Kimbo and has defeated guys like Jeff Monson in grapping matches.

 

He's also got a great chin. It's Kimbo's you should be worried about

 

True very true he is the former IFL Champion so he is a better fighter but don't doubt Kimbo for lack of skills his punches can knock out anyone in the blink of an eye no matter how good someones chin also I personally don't like Nelson he seems likes a talker who can't back it up.

[rodzillahotrod]

True very true he is the former IFL Champion so he is a better fighter but don't doubt Kimbo for lack of skills his punches can knock out anyone in the blink of an eye no matter how good someones chin also I personally don't like Nelson he seems likes a talker who can't back it up.

 

i dont know if kimbo can knock out anyone but i agree and im sure everyone else agrees he has power, i like the guy every since watching him on you tube. i really think hes going to beat nelson but u never know nelson could easily pull it over and win within minutes compared to how i see kimbo winning

[Tag01]

That ended predictably.