Blackman Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Force push on Jed High ftw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remianen Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Historian" data-cite="Historian" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>While off the top of my head, I can only think of one that I know for sure has a written deal: Austin Aries, I know for a fact that ROH has written contracts, just not the same style of written deal as WWE. ROH's written contracts are not exclusive deals, they are deals that guarantee them the first crack at the individuals who have them. Meaning, if PWG wanted to book Austin Aries, he would have to make his ROH dates first. Also, it affects their ability to get signed by both WWE and TNA. I don't remember how it works for sure, but there are provisions to keep their written talent from signing with WWE, that's why both Nigel and Danielson did not re-sign their ROH written contracts and were just working your standard pay per appearance deals.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's a 'right of first refusal' type of deal. That's not what 'written deals' are currently considered when a reference is made to them. Written deal = exclusive. I didn't think I had to spell that out but there it is. ROH and TNA's contract setups that allow workers to take other bookings, unless they're structured as subcontracts (i.e. PWG would go to TNA and ask them if they can use AJ Styles and if permitted, PWG would pay TNA and TNA would then pay AJ), are not exclusive. Probably just semantics but it is an important distinction to make. Adding a non-exclusive exclusive contract type to TEW probably isn't in the cards.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I have heard alot of people confuse "writen" contracts and what remi is refering to. The only american company that gives most of it workers writen is wwe. You have your angle's in tna but not even guys like nash......foley.....and the main eventers have writen contracts as nash does do indepent dates alot. I don't even see hogan doing a writen as i don't see him giving up the hulkamania thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrookedRainJr Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 As cool as cult promotions being able to potentially get written contracts is, does anybody else think the seven million requirement seems a little.... high? If they have that much money, seems like they are probably national at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CrookedRainJr" data-cite="CrookedRainJr" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As cool as cult promotions being able to potentially get written contracts is, does anybody else think the seven million requirement seems a little.... high? If they have that much money, seems like they are probably national at least.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Or recently fallen. Or fallen-and-can't-peak again (six-years-into-game SWF being a common example).</p><p> </p><p> Whatever the case, they're at the top of the Cult ladder for certain.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="CrookedRainJr" data-cite="CrookedRainJr" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>As cool as cult promotions being able to potentially get written contracts is, does anybody else think the seven million requirement seems a little.... high? If they have that much money, seems like they are probably national at least.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I haven't really had enough experience with cult to have a personal opinion, but from what others are saying, 7 million seems to be a figure that shows your cult promotion is either top tier compared to other cults or has some really good business sense behind it. Both of which, if correct, make a good argument for the kind of promotion a worker might be interested signing a written with.</p><p> </p><p> I agree it does sound like a lot, but then I also handle my in-game finances completely recklessly, so I can't really speak <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjohnson105 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Is there any way TCW and SWF could have a working female division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Stranger Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="jjohnson105" data-cite="jjohnson105" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Is there any way TCW and SWF could have a working female division?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's achievable with work - I occasionally ponder a TCW women's division for the diary, but haven't gone for it yet.</p><p> </p><p> I'm not sure we'll see either have it by 2010, and to be honest it's a question for a different thread...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladamire Dracos Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Remianen" data-cite="Remianen" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's a 'right of first refusal' type of deal. That's not what 'written deals' are currently considered when a reference is made to them. Written deal = exclusive. I didn't think I had to spell that out but there it is. ROH and TNA's contract setups that allow workers to take other bookings, <strong>unless they're structured as subcontracts (i.e. PWG would go to TNA and ask them if they can use AJ Styles and if permitted, PWG would pay TNA and TNA would then pay AJ),</strong> are not exclusive. Probably just semantics but it is an important distinction to make. Adding a non-exclusive exclusive contract type to TEW probably isn't in the cards.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> From my understanding from what I've read and the promoters I've talked to, that's exactly how almost all of TNA's contacts work, with the few notable exceptions (Angle, Sting, etc.).</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatoneguy Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="alden" data-cite="alden" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I have heard alot of people confuse "writen" contracts and what remi is refering to. The only american company that gives most of it workers writen is wwe. You have your angle's in tna but not even guys like nash......foley.....and the main eventers have writen contracts as nash does do indepent dates alot. I don't even see hogan doing a writen as i don't see him giving up the hulkamania thing.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> WWE wrestlers can work with almost any promotion if they want. They aren't employees, they're...I think the wording was independent contractors. Regardless, while they get paid every month, they can work any shows they want if they so choose.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOnu Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Phantom Stranger" data-cite="Phantom Stranger" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Or recently fallen. Or fallen-and-can't-peak again (six-years-into-game SWF being a common example).<p> </p><p> Whatever the case, they're at the top of the Cult ladder for certain.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Promotion momentum could be an issue to hand out written contracts though. At least for the first couple of months of the drop down.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alden Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="thatoneguy" data-cite="thatoneguy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25024" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWE wrestlers can work with almost any promotion if they want. They aren't employees, they're...I think the wording was independent contractors. Regardless, while they get paid every month, they can work any shows they want if they so choose.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I can not think of a single wwe full time wrestler *that is the important one remember, wrestler* who can pick and choose what company they wrestle for. Can triple h decide to one day work a roh show because he wants to? Can chris jericho up and contact chikira *cheap plug* and work a few shows? Nope, they all have writen contract that make them exclusive to wwe....fcw......or any other development company wwe might own. Certine times people like carlito are allowed to work for other companys *his fathers in this case* and guys like lawler who are not active wrestlers in the wwe take indy bookings.....but for the most part they can't. But back to the subject...........</p><p> </p><p> I think 7 mil is a little low in my opinion. Look at the starting capital for uspw in 08.....they are what 5 mil.......you can pull in around 200k a month...so that is 10 month and you get the 7 mil mark......easly done......I think the other two are going to be the fun part......having a locker room they want to be in will be intresting.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-619 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 This is an awesome feature, just what I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I must say I find it a little weird that the booker gets to tell the workers to end the match with a sick bump, as something like that is usually discussed and agreed by the workers in the match, not the booker. But that's not to say this bothers me at all, since it's entirely optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 <p>Sick Bumps, hell yeah!</p><p> </p><p> i would have liked to have an editable list of Sick Bumps to choose from, but I can see how that might get a bit cumbersome, so for now I guess I'll be happy with what we've all got back <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FINisher Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 #25: Sick Bumps YES! My WEXXV will never be the same again. Hello injury list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Sick Bumps, hell yeah! i would have liked to have an editable list of Sick Bumps to choose from, but I can see how that might get a bit cumbersome, so for now I guess I'll be happy with what we've all got back Just make it up, lol, like the rest of the match. Remember, the other feature is going to tell us how it went, so that's something to work with anyways:) I was really hoping for some game specific's on things like Regions and such. Perhaps they are staying the same? Either way, it would be nice to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I must say I find it a little weird that the booker gets to tell the workers to end the match with a sick bump, as something like that is usually discussed and agreed by the workers in the match, not the booker. But that's not to say this bothers me at all, since it's entirely optional. Hmm, really? I don't moonlight as a booker in real life or anything, but a sick bump seems to me like something you wouldn't want workers just pulling out of their asses without consulting you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hmm, really? I don't moonlight as a booker in real life or anything, but a sick bump seems to me like something you wouldn't want workers just pulling out of their asses without consulting you. Mick Foley did in the Hell in a Cell match and it pissed Vince off. Vince would have never agreed to it, since the bumps were beyond stupid. Courageous but stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr T Jobs To Me Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Sick Bumps! I can't wait for someone to cop a 'tude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Mick Foley did in the Hell in a Cell match and it pissed Vince off. Vince would have never agreed to it, since the bumps were beyond stupid. Courageous but stupid. However, we have other options for the road agent, that's not really a concern of the booker either... I'm going to say, I like it.... No matter if we decide or the worker's decide to upon themselves, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Mick Foley did in the Hell in a Cell match and it pissed Vince off. Vince would have never agreed to it, since the bumps were beyond stupid. Courageous but stupid. But is that common practice? And even if it is, does that mean that bookers never ask workers to take a sick bump for a match? Or that sick bumps are never thought out beforehand? There has to be some kind of precedence for it surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeemuFoundation Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 But is that common practice? And even if it is, does that mean that bookers never ask workers to take a sick bump for a match? Or that sick bumps are never thought out beforehand? There has to be some kind of precedence for it surely It wouldn't make any sense for the booker to downright order one of their workers to take a potentially life-threatning sick bump that could even end their in-ring career or at least significantly shorten it. But then again, it's TEW and it's all about You being the man in charge so I don't have a problem with this addition. I just don't see myself using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 It wouldn't make any sense for the booker to downright order one of their workers to take a potentially life-threatning sick bump that could even end their in-ring career or at least significantly shorten it. But then again, it's TEW and it's all about You being the man in charge so I don't have a problem with this addition. I just don't see myself using it. Don't forget to read the entire post, it isn't all poems about space cats you know! Workers can refuse to take sick bumps, based on personality and situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crayon Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Using sick bumps will also be another tool in a bookers chest to help avoid catching a repeated match penalty, if they've got it turned on. "Crap we're on our fifth match. How can I top the last one? Throw one of them off a balcony covered in chocolate sauce onto Rosie O'Donnell !" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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