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Devilb0y · April 4, 2016

I thought that was just a really weird Wrestlemania. Not terrible, not great, just odd.

It was full of good matches with very strange finishes: Jericho going over Styles (no idea why they'd do this, unless they're planning on ANOTHER match between them), New Day losing to the League, the women's match being this spectacular, balanced affair ending with a dumb interference spot, an improptu Rock match that seemed pointless to me. Just some odd choices from top to bottom.

The Battle Royale was what it was, it was never going to be very important although it was nice that Corbin won (although if you're going to debut a guy and have him win, why not give him an intro to show he's a big deal?). The IC Ladder match was great. Hell in a Cell was pretty good too.

Lesnar vs Ambrose was the biggest disappointment of the night for me. That match could have really cemented Dean as a top-level guy (even in defeat) but instead he just kind of lost, and neither he or Brock gained much from it.

I was on my phone for most of the main event because I just couldn't bring myself to care, but it does seem to highlight a problem in WWE as a whole where the fans will pay top dollar to pack out a stadium for an event that they know they might not enjoy but then expect their boos to move the needle more than their money. I just don't think it works that way. We all knew the main event was Triple H vs Roman. Why pay to go to Wrestlemania if you hate the main event as much as that crowd seemed to? Just feels weird to me to pay thousands of dollars to go to an event just to boo the big match.

Ayden · April 4, 2016

Here were my thoughts for the day

- I've never gotten the appeal with Ryback...yawwwwwwwwwn. Kalisto winning was the right move though

- God damn Lana looked amazing. That was literally all I paid attention to in the divas match

- I like the Dudleys but that match was terrible. If the payoff was to have the Dudleys get put through a table, why not let them win as the crowd still gets what they want anyway?

- The ladder match was crazy with everyone pulling their weight (special mention to that Frog Splash...damn) except The Miz. What did he even do in this one? I like Ryder winning but I am predicting Owens wins it back tomorrow

-Is it just me that thinks Jericho has lost a (or more than one) step? I just can't get into his matches anymore and the fact this rivalry is continuing upsets me

- Lesnar vs Ambrose told the best story for me in the buildup but the match was just kinda...ehh. They worked hard but I dont get what the point of it was

- The Divas triple threat was awesome up until the finish (which I didn't hate as much as some but still wasn't a fan). I feel bad for Becky though as she is just there to take the L almost every time and she deserves better

- Shane O Mac...holy shit! Crazy spots aside, what was the point of the match if McMahon wasn't going to go over?

- I really like Baron Corbin winning the Dre. What confused me is the fact Tatanka was in the match and NOBODY mentioned it for like a solid 5 minutes. Granted he was never a top star, it still should've been made to be a bit more of a big deal. Highlight was Corbin telling Tatanka to "go back to WWF" after eliminating him.

- I didn't see the Rock/Bray segment as Bray being buried. Granted, Rowan got beat in 6 seconds but Rock still talked Bray up and it was one of the greatest WWE stars of all time and the current top guy...hardly a burial in my mind

- The main event...yawwwwwwwwn. They tried hard but it just didn't work and I'm not down on Reigns like most people *cough* Warhawk *cough*. If Reigns doesn't turn heel on Raw then I think this reign is doomed.

I'd probably give it a solid 7/10

P.S. I'd like to give Steph a spear...if you catch my drift <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

Nathers7 · April 4, 2016

This was a bottom tier Mania for me and probably the worst post-2000. I actually thought the show wasn't too bad up until the end of the women's match. Everything after that point though was a complete trainwreck. Just the absolute dirt worst.

They might have put Jericho over Styles to build him as Roman's first challenger. That's the only logical explanation I have for that booking decision.

ThatChizzle · April 4, 2016

I skipped the pre-show. I guess I missed it somewhere, but I didn't know WrestleMania was a 5 hour show until I turned it on in the WWE Network.........

Mootinie · April 4, 2016

The Ladder Match was good and full of happy little moments. Zayn stood out and was over like crazy, Stardust got to pay tribute to Dusty, Sin Cara's senton spot was superb, Owens was insanely over and showed good fire and The Miz got to put somebody over and did a commendable job doing it (as per). Mega happy for Zack, nobody deserves it more.

I also loved the Women's title match, which was the clear match of the night for me. Super happy that three women making their Mania debuts went out and stole the show. Great performance from all three, you could tell they were nervous but they kept the pace up and worked with the urgency that the stage demanded. It was really the only match that showed signs they were looking to the future.

It honestly wasn't a bad show at all and nowhere near the worst Mania of all time. We still have WrestleMania's II, IV, IX, XI and XXVII for that status. But it was a weird show from top to bottom. I felt like, they really wanted to go nearly five hours so they dragged out everything for as long as they possibly could. Shane vs. Taker went 30 minutes, but who's going to remember anything but the last 5 minutes?

It was really a show that felt like it was made for a highlights package afterwards, full of "moments", most of which left me and a lot of other fans feeling a little empty I think.

20LEgend · April 4, 2016

Such a strange show, but I really enjoyed it. I think tonight's is going to be very interesting. It seems when a lot of people are discontented with the show (which I'm surprised by), they pull everyone back in. I can't help but think they know exactly what they're doing, maybe I'm giving too much credit, but I think tonight will go a long way to bring people back on board.

Of course, there were some decisions people will disagree with, but as a self contained show (which I think was the idea) I thought it was really good. The legends looked great and it was a brilliant moment for the League of Nations and the New Day. If the rumours/reports of Barrett leaving are true, I'll be disapointed, he looks like he's having so much fun with "The Lads" <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />.

lukess11 · April 4, 2016

Me and my friends were calling this Bizzaromania.

K-Nection · April 4, 2016

Honestly I don't think HHH vs. Roman should have been last....it just isn't the biggest draw and we would have had time to get that taste out of our mouth....what should have went on last? Either Taker vs. Shane or the Women's championship as far as crowd engagement was concerned.

Devilb0y · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Honestly I don't think HHH vs. Roman should have been last....it just isn't the biggest draw and we would have had time to get that taste out of our mouth....what should have went on last? Either Taker vs. Shane or the Women's championship as far as crowd engagement was concerned.</div></blockquote> You say that, but this show was WWE's highest grossing live event of all time (<a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/716821197196042240" rel="external nofollow">Source)</a>. As much as the internet wrestling fans might hate Roman and think the main event sucked, it doesn't seem to be hurting the WWE financially. Probably because a large amount of fans who complain about the product are also still buying tickets to WWE events and subscribing to the network.

Russelrules44 · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that, but this show was WWE's highest grossing live event of all time (<a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/716821197196042240" rel="external nofollow">Source)</a>. As much as the internet wrestling fans might hate Roman and think the main event sucked, it doesn't seem to be hurting the WWE financially. Probably because a large amount of fans who complain about the product are also still buying tickets to WWE events and subscribing to the network.</div></blockquote> Takes me back to the post about the three different levels of smarks, Clearly those guy must be the third level. As for the show? It was pretty good, lot of fun moments; moments I questioned and some really mark out moments, (Ryder and Corbin) probably should have not been over seven hours. Which ironically is what I'd rate it, 7/10. Probably will go over all the matches piece by piece when I get home. High school being high school and all.

The_CoC · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that, but this show was WWE's highest grossing live event of all time (<a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/716821197196042240" rel="external nofollow">Source)</a>. As much as the internet wrestling fans might hate Roman and think the main event sucked, it doesn't seem to be hurting the WWE financially. Probably because a large amount of fans who complain about the product are also still buying tickets to WWE events and subscribing to the network.</div></blockquote> Roman Reigns main evented the highest gate ever and highest grossing live event of all time.... <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />

RKOwnage · April 4, 2016

I'd give it a 5 or 6 out of 10. Not one of the worst, definitely not one of the best. Pretty much agree with what you guys have to say, mostly.

Except I don't at all mind Jericho beating Styles. Also, poor Sandow.

Also I saw this on r/SquaredCircle and thought it was kinda funny: "Kevin Owens, likely the heel-iest of the heels got less boos when he threw a Dusty Rhodes inspired ladder out of the ****ING RING than their current top face did winning the **********ING WHC against the self-serving, authoritative champion. Whew boy. "

bigtplaystew · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that, but this show was WWE's highest grossing live event of all time (<a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/716821197196042240" rel="external nofollow">Source)</a>. As much as the internet wrestling fans might hate Roman and think the main event sucked, it doesn't seem to be hurting the WWE financially. Probably because a large amount of fans who complain about the product are also still buying tickets to WWE events and subscribing to the network.</div></blockquote> Yea but the argument would be that they'd be doing even better if someone we -God forbid- liked was in the main event. Not a guy that's been getting booed for 18 months and a dude who booked himself to be champion.

Devilb0y · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yea but the argument would be that they'd be doing even better if someone we -God forbid- liked was in the main event. Not a guy that's been getting booed for 18 months and a dude who booked himself to be champion.</div></blockquote> That's probably true, but the point remains that for all the hatred Reigns gets he was still the main event of the highest grossing live event the WWE has ever put on. There might be money left on the table, there might not. I doubt the WWE care if they're already pulling good figures with Roman (a bird in the hand, and all that). Where is the motivation for the WWE to change things if that's the case? Fan's that pay to come and boo are still fans that pay to come. If I were in Vince's shoes I'd be looking at the bottom line and dismissing the boos as fans being contrary. I really don't care for Reigns, but I feel like a huge majority of modern wrestling fans delude themselves into thinking that they're making a difference by paying to show up and boo. The only time WWE will ever change is if they stop making money, and right now that's not happening, so neither will change.

Derek B · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's probably true, but the point remains that for all the hatred Reigns gets he was still the main event of the highest grossing live event the WWE has ever put on. There might be money left on the table, there might not. I doubt the WWE care if they're already pulling good figures with Roman (a bird in the hand, and all that). Where is the motivation for the WWE to change things if that's the case? Fan's that pay to come and boo are still fans that pay to come. If I were in Vince's shoes I'd be looking at the bottom line and dismissing the boos as fans being contrary. I really don't care for Reigns, but I feel like a huge majority of modern wrestling fans delude themselves into thinking that they're making a difference by paying to show up and boo. The only time WWE will ever change is if they stop making money, and right now that's not happening, so neither will change.</div></blockquote> To be fair, Wrestlemania tickets sell out before any matches are even announced for the show, so Reigns vs HHH in the main event means almost nothing with regards to ticket sales for this particular event. It's all about the spectacle of the show, with the hopes that the actual event will be good rather than any particular stars or matches being the draw value for the gate. That said, it would have a more pronounced effect on people watching around the world, but with the show being free on the WWE Network for new subscribers (aka anyone with the ability to use email) that's also going to be seriously misleading in terms of viewership. Anywho, I find myself largely agreeing with people in that the show was solid enough but I bemoan many of the booking decisions made. Hopefully Owens and Jericho are being set up to be challengers for Reigns but I can't help but feel there is going to be a lot more money to be made in a heel Roman Reigns vs babyface Ambrose and Rollins (when he returns) than there is just now... that may be the plan but the end result of Wrestlemania is pretty much more of the same, and while I like many of the talents on the show I didn't like seeing the likes of Wyatt, Ambrose, the League of Nations, New Day, Styles and others being very much on the losing end of all their exchanges tonight. The world was watching and the world saw the next generation of top guys fall short on all fronts except Roman Reigns. I'm sure I'll rewatch the show again this week at some point to see if there is anything I like more on a second viewing, but this show was lacking something and seemed very strange. Though I must say, I did love that they made a big deal of the women's title match. It's been growing for a while, the girls involved worked hard and they got entrances to fit being a top level match. More of that please. <img alt=":)" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/smile.png.142cfa0a1cd2925c0463c1d00f499df2.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png"> Also, lots more Kevin Owens, more New Day, more Sami Zayn and generally less of the rising stars losing. More Tatanka also wouldn't go amiss. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png">

Devilb0y · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Derek B" data-cite="Derek B" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I didn't like seeing the likes of Wyatt, Ambrose, the League of Nations, New Day, Styles and others being very much on the losing end of all their exchanges tonight. The world was watching and the world saw the next generation of top guys fall short on all fronts except Roman Reigns.</div></blockquote> The sheer irony of having New Day give the rub to the League, only to have a bunch of retired veterans come out and remove any heat they had by beating the tar out of them, leaving both New Day and the League worse off than when the match started... I couldn't handle it when I saw it. Of all the silly booking decisions last night, that one might be the worst.

bigtplaystew · April 4, 2016

Roman hasnt even really had a solid run with the title yet. So maybe it'll be cool. I'm sure he stands to grow not regress in popularity. By how much remains to be seen of course.

With Kevin Owens losing the IC title i can see him getting a shot at roman down the road. Seth's coming back soon. And there's always a good opponent for him in Dean. And Cena. I dont know about you guys but those are all big matches that I personally want to see.

So he's got a bright near future..

Mootinie · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The sheer irony of having New Day give the rub to the League, only to have a bunch of retired veterans come out and remove any heat they had by beating the tar out of them, leaving both New Day and the League worse off than when the match started... I couldn't handle it when I saw it. Of all the silly booking decisions last night, that one might be the worst.</div></blockquote> It's funny how so many of these Hall of Famers talk about the importance of putting people over, passing the torch and being thankful for their opponents doing the honours and yet, they're all happy to go out there and have their little moment burying young talent.

K-Nection · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Devilb0y" data-cite="Devilb0y" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You say that, but this show was WWE's highest grossing live event of all time (<a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/716821197196042240" rel="external nofollow">Source)</a>. As much as the internet wrestling fans might hate Roman and think the main event sucked, it doesn't seem to be hurting the WWE financially. Probably because a large amount of fans who complain about the product are also still buying tickets to WWE events and subscribing to the network.</div></blockquote> heh...fake emails can get you free subscriptions....How do you think I watched? I think someone already made the point that the tickets were mostly sold way before the main event was announced. Technically I could have bought tickets to next year's wrestlemania last month. I knew this was going to be a crap match in January and I was waiting for some brilliant swerve to redeem the match like last year....nope we got revenge from the old senial promoter. Roman at this point is starting to have go away heat from me and I actually like his ring work. It's the shoddy booking I can't get past at this point. WWE didn't get a dime of my money and they won't until they book a main event scene that is way more plausible. There is no going back with this guy because not even the top heel of the past 2 decades can get you to cheer him. Roman needs to do something mildly heelish and he will have nuclear heat with little to no effort.

RKOwnage · April 4, 2016

Maybe I'm part of the problem, but I loved the League (and Woods) getting their ass kicked and Stunned. In a cold, hard rational sense it's bad for them, but come on. Austin lit that place on fire. EDIT: <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Roman needs to do something mildly heelish and he will have nuclear heat with little to no effort.</div></blockquote> I also don't agree with this - the second Reigns turns heel is the second the fans explode for him.

Kitarzu · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's funny how so many of these Hall of Famers talk about the importance of putting people over, passing the torch and being thankful for their opponents doing the honours and yet, they're all happy to go out there and have their little moment burying young talent.</div></blockquote> It's more funny since the man known for http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/ThePhenominalAfro/1329188942633.gif has tried everything to put over his opponent.

kingjames · April 4, 2016

You know, I doubt NXT makes a profit of note, and it seems possible it might lose money. So if awkward, middling WrestleManias subsidize outstanding NXT Takeovers, then sure, why not? I got my thrills on Friday, Sunday having things worth watching (which it had some) was a bonus.

smurphy1014 · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I also don't agree with this - the second Reigns turns heel is the second the fans explode for him.</div></blockquote> The crowd exploded last night when he speared Steph. Granted, they went back to booing shortly afterwards.

AfRoMaN36 · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="RKOwnage" data-cite="RKOwnage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> I also don't agree with this - the second Reigns turns heel is the second the fans explode for him.</div></blockquote> Wouldn't that be the point? Turn him heel so you can turn him face when he gets over? It worked wonders for the Rock. Imagine if the WWF covered their ears and put the title on Rocky Miavia despite mega go away heat.

Devilb0y · April 4, 2016

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>heh...fake emails can get you free subscriptions....How do you think I watched? I think someone already made the point that the tickets were mostly sold way before the main event was announced. Technically I could have bought tickets to next year's wrestlemania last month. I knew this was going to be a crap match in January and I was waiting for some brilliant swerve to redeem the match like last year....nope we got revenge from the old senial promoter.</div></blockquote> It doesn't really matter when the tickets were sold though, because I'm not claiming that Roman is the guy that drew the crowds, I'm just saying that him being on top isn't turning crowds away as so many people seem to think. You can argue until you're blue in the face that Roman is terrible, but the numbers show that at the very least he's no worse than Rollins or Lesnar. No one is claiming that Reigns is a mega-draw, but the gross at WM32 and house show figures while he's been on top make it impossible to argue that he's hurting the company, because by all those figures they're doing pretty good. Fans can boo who they want. Vince doesn't care so long as they're still putting money in his pocket, which they have demonstrably been doing while Roman has been on top. Now if you want to say that - from a booking perspective - Roman should be a heel, then yeah, I think he should. But the company is making money off of him without doing that, so the chances of it happening are very low.

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