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[K-Nection]

Wow watching that makes me remember why I hate listening to Mauro Ranallo so much. I hate his lame attempts at humor.

 

You shouldn't be mad there is no party like an uppercut party because an uppercut party don't stop.

[Mootinie]

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</p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/3vVnHtDwuw0?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Superstars reenact Stone Cold's famous"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p>

In tears at Kofi in this. And Viktor's kicks ass too!</p>

[Blackman]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="BHK1978" data-cite="BHK1978" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wow watching that makes me remember why I hate listening to Mauro Ranallo so much. I hate his lame attempts at humor.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> He sounds an awful lot like Mike Goldberg, which isn't the best thing. <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p>

[mrwhippy]

<p>You've got to remember he is being fed lines, he was really good with Barnett in NJPW.</p><p> </p><p>

He's still streets ahead of Cole, at least he shows an interest in actually calling the match.</p>

[Ayden]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/3vVnHtDwuw0?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Superstars reenact Stone Cold's famous"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> In tears at Kofi in this. And Viktor's kicks ass too!</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The New Days full video is the best one...</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZcNm48Mw_BQ?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Kofi Kingston reenacts Stone Cold's famous"></iframe></div></div>

[CQI13]

Odds that Cena remains on Raw, with Roman heading to SD after the Wellness violation?

[mrwhippy]

It certainly makes it interesting. I think it was pretty nailed on for Shield on Raw and Cena/Styles on SmackDown. I'm betting they still go this way mind, makes too much sense creatively.

[K-Nection]

The New Days full video is the best one...

 

 

Wow if Kofi had just a tad bit more Texas draw that would have been perfect

[K-Nection]

<p>Sorry for double posting but I thought this was worth mentioning.</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_YJOXtfGHY" rel="external nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_YJOXtfGHY</a></p>

[-laz-]

<p>BBC iPlayer - Superstar Wrestlers (Behind the Scenes look at WWE)</p><p> </p><p>

UK only sorry</p><p> </p><p>

<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p03w4vty/superstar-wrestlers" rel="external nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p03w4vty/superstar-wrestlers</a></p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="-laz-" data-cite="-laz-" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>BBC iPlayer - Superstar Wrestlers (Behind the Scenes look at WWE)<p> </p><p> UK only sorry</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p03w4vty/superstar-wrestlers" rel="external nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p03w4vty/superstar-wrestlers</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Can you give a summary because I'm unfortunately not able to see it.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Anyone catch RAW I thought it was pretty decent. I didn't think they would actually turn the suspension into a story. I mean nobody would have truly missed Roman Reigns on TV. I thought they would have just put their head in the sand.</p>

[mrwhippy]

It's a good thing that they did. By playing it up to the fans they've got themselves a real hot de facto heel for the match. Rollins has stepped up his promo game another level since returning.

[crownsy]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Can you give a summary because I'm unfortunately not able to see it.<p> </p><p> </p><p> Anyone catch RAW I thought it was pretty decent. I didn't think they would actually turn the suspension into a story. I mean nobody would have truly missed Roman Reigns on TV. I thought they would have just put their head in the sand.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I watched most of the highlights, i thought it was ok. Random thoughts:</p><p> </p><p> Seems so odd for them to try to build up Owens - Zayn for a kinda meh PPV, but perhaps the story is going to be they get drafted away to different shows, so they want to finish this up by then. Thought Jericho was good as a enhancement to the fued, and taking the dual super kicks.</p><p> </p><p> The AJ - Cena fued continuing through them costing each other a spot in the championship match was predictable, but fine. </p><p> </p><p> Rollins was really good on commentary for the Main Event, selling that he wanted Dean to win and thought he was capable of it, but also mixed feelings.</p><p> </p><p> I-m not a fan of the "xavier is scared/ becoming a true believer" because I just don't see a positive outcome to it. If it's a New Day "con job" , then it's going to make the Wyatts look like morons when Xavier reveals that he was just fooling around.</p><p> </p><p> If Xavier IS going to Join the Wyatts, I feel like your breaking up a good uper mid card act in New Day right as you need them most with the brand split to provide content. We shall see, but right now while i like the mic work, it seems like a no win situation for the Wyatts - New day long term</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="crownsy" data-cite="crownsy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I watched most of the highlights, i thought it was ok. Random thoughts:<p> </p><p> Seems so odd for them to try to build up Owens - Zayn for a kinda meh PPV, but perhaps the story is going to be they get drafted away to different shows, so they want to finish this up by then. Thought Jericho was good as a enhancement to the fued, and taking the dual super kicks.</p><p> </p><p> The AJ - Cena fued continuing through them costing each other a spot in the championship match was predictable, but fine. </p><p> </p><p> Rollins was really good on commentary for the Main Event, selling that he wanted Dean to win and thought he was capable of it, but also mixed feelings.</p><p> </p><p> I-m not a fan of the "xavier is scared/ becoming a true believer" because I just don't see a positive outcome to it. If it's a New Day "con job" , then it's going to make the Wyatts look like morons when Xavier reveals that he was just fooling around.</p><p> </p><p> If Xavier IS going to Join the Wyatts, I feel like your breaking up a good uper mid card act in New Day right as you need them most with the brand split to provide content. We shall see, but right now while i like the mic work, it seems like a no win situation for the Wyatts - New day long term</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Xavier thing is interesting to me because New Day has run a little bit stale to me lately. They have dominated the tag division and I really think that each member needs to shine in the main event scenes. Kofi especially needs another shot at the main event scene because he wasn't ready 5 years ago when he was being pushed there.</p>

[TheCrippler]

<p>"PWTorch is reporting that Vince McMahon wants to tell a redemption story with Reigns coming back better than ever after being suspended due to violating the wellness policy.</p><p> </p><p>

McMahon believes if he creates the story the way he wants to tell it the fans will finally buy into the character, universally. As opposed to the mixed reaction the former champion is receiving now."</p>

[mrwhippy]

<p>Interesting. Considering other reports said McMahon insisted on Reigns taking a clean pin from Rollins before Ambrose cashed in, whereas Triple H favoured him cashing in mid-match.</p><p> </p><p>

They've just had a white hot heel fall on their lap, they've got to run with it.</p>

[K-Nection]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="mrwhippy" data-cite="mrwhippy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Interesting. Considering other reports said McMahon insisted on Reigns taking a clean pin from Rollins before Ambrose cashed in, whereas Triple H favoured him cashing in mid-match.<p> </p><p> They've just had a white hot heel fall on their lap, they've got to run with it.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It's McMahon we are talking about here he wouldn't know white hot if it burned him personally.</p>

[shawn michaels]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="K-Nection" data-cite="K-Nection" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>It's McMahon we are talking about here he wouldn't know white hot if it burned him personally.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Oh he knows, trust me. He always knows. He just refuses to accept what he doesn't like and/or wasn't made or thought by him. Like Daniel Bryan. It's either his way or no way.</p>

[iruleall15]

 

The fact that Wyatt didnt win this feud shows how stupid WWE is... This segment might be one of the best segments Raw has ever had. The story telling everything about it. They should have pushed Wyatt to the moon after this.

[Russelrules44]

 

The fact that Wyatt didnt win this feud shows how stupid WWE is... This segment might be one of the best segments Raw has ever had. The story telling everything about it. They should have pushed Wyatt to the moon after this.

 

I'm probably one of the few people who thinks this, but I honestly never thought of Bray as a main eventer. Don't get me wrong, he is very charismatic and can work up a crowd; you can tell that he is very passionate about the character. And for what it's worth, he can be a good wrestler when it calls for it.

 

However; I think the main problem with Wyatt is that it's the right gimmick at the wrong time-frame. Think about it, Wyatt is supposed to be this cult-leader who leads people to do his bidding. It's awesome right? But, imho; it doesn't really fit with the current PG (or Reality Era if you want to be technical) landscape WWE is in right now.

 

Now i'm not saying that it would be impossible to have Wyatt in the main event, there have been attempts to do so before. Early into Wyatt's run he faced off against Bryan and Cena, and just last year he got to face The Undertaker. Who knows, maybe they had planned to make him a main eventer, however considering the quality of matches he had with Cena and Taker were either ok at best or just meh, (Except for that last Cena match, that was great) they might have decided to change plans.

 

If Bray were to be a main eventer, it would have to take a character restruction, (without destroying the core structure of the character) some seriously strong booking and maybe a face turn. We've seen this done before with TheLloyd's two WWE diaries, I see no reason as to how it couldn't be done in WWE. And maybe this is going to be like a fresh start for Bray Wyatt, you never know for sure. Maybe he will be a main eventer someday and i'll be proven wrong, however; I can't really imagine it happening anytime soon.

 

Now that I've said my two cents, i'm going to build myself a firewall for the inevitable backlash i'm going to receive.

[thecoolestjedi12]

After hearing KO on Guest Commentary, think I want him to be apart of the broadcast team when he isn't in angles or matches.

[Mootinie]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>However; I think the main problem with Wyatt is that it's the right gimmick at the wrong time-frame. Think about it, Wyatt is supposed to be this cult-leader who leads people to do his bidding. It's awesome right? But, imho; it doesn't really fit with the current PG (or Reality Era if you want to be technical) landscape WWE is in right now.</div></blockquote><p> Yeah, pretty much. They're moving further and further away from "characters" and more into realistic personality-types presented in a sports-like fashion. They want guys that can pose in Tapout gear, appear on ESPN and/or sell t-shirts to kids. Cena, Styles, Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Owens and Zayn are the guys they're looking at and all of them are wrestlers, not superstars. Bray is charismatic and he certainly has a place as a top-tier heater to put over faces, but he's just not talented enough to be the exception to these new rules unfortunately.</p>

[Russelrules44]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Mootinie" data-cite="Mootinie" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Yeah, pretty much. They're moving further and further away from "characters" and more into realistic personality-types presented in a sports-like fashion. They want guys that can pose in Tapout gear, appear on ESPN and/or sell t-shirts to kids. Cena, Styles, Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Owens and Zayn are the guys they're looking at and all of them are wrestlers, not superstars. Bray is charismatic and he certainly has a place as a top-tier heater to put over faces, but he's just not talented enough to be the exception to these new rules unfortunately.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You can make the claim that things were beginning to change when CM Punk was running things back from 2011-2012, but really started to pick up when Daniel Bryan won the WWE Championship back at WrestleMania 30. I think now, more than ever it's become obvious: The PG Era is (for the most part) gone. Ever if they keep the rating, The PG Era is done. </p><p> </p><p> It's the Reality/New/NXT/People Power/WWE Universe/Whatever We End Up Calling It Era now. And in this brave new world, characters need to be relatable. Yes, they can be faces or heels; but they need to be relatable too.</p><p> </p><p> It's a brave new world in WWE, for the first time in a while; it feels like that only the ones that can adapt will survive. That's why Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Baron Corbin and in a way Bray Wyatt are floundering. They haven't adapted. Or at least, haven't yet. Will they find a way to adapt, maybe. But it might take some time in doing so</p>

[iruleall15]

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Russelrules44" data-cite="Russelrules44" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>You can make the claim that things were beginning to change when CM Punk was running things back from 2011-2012, but really started to pick up when Daniel Bryan won the WWE Championship back at WrestleMania 30. I think now, more than ever it's become obvious: The PG Era is (for the most part) gone. Ever if they keep the rating, The PG Era is done. <p> </p><p> It's the Reality/New/NXT/People Power/WWE Universe/Whatever We End Up Calling It Era now. And in this brave new world, characters need to be relatable. Yes, they can be faces or heels; but they need to be relatable too.</p><p> </p><p> It's a brave new world in WWE, for the first time in a while; it feels like that only the ones that can adapt will survive. That's why Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, Baron Corbin and in a way Bray Wyatt are floundering. They haven't adapted. Or at least, haven't yet. Will they find a way to adapt, maybe. But it might take some time in doing so</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I will agree with Sheamus and ADR. Corbin was failed from the start. They need to stop putting guys against Ziggler. It failed with Breeze and now it failed with Corbin. Not to mention when is the last time he was on Raw? He wasnt ready yet to be called up IMO.</p><p> </p><p> But Bray is hitting it out of the park. He is flourishing IMO. His mic ability is better than anyone in the company outside of Heyman with KO being right behind him. Wyatts downfall is how he is being booked. If they booked the Wyatts properly they would b so godly over it wouldnt be fair. Its not the Wyatts that are failing. Its the booking. Bray needs to be a manager more or less. Make the family do the work with Bray only wrestling on big PPVs. Make him a "must see" guy. When he wrestles you know its serious. Treat Rowan, Harper, and Strowman like proper beasts like they should be. Especially Strowman. He needs to be booked like the tank he was when he took out Reigns and Ambrose by himself.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Wyatts would be amazing faces I think. The crowd loves them. This is an era where the bad guys are thecool faces and the Cena and Reigns (kissing babies, shaking hands, ect) are no longer wanted or welcomed. Everyone wants the Austin types not the goody 2 shoes guys. Wyatt is that type of guy. There is no Heel or Face anymore with fans. Its who we like or who we dont.</p>

[K-Nection]

Randy Orton vs. Brock Lesnar.....it's a different opponent for Brock....kinda sad they are going to squash Randy's momentum out of the gate as soon as he returned. I really think they should have built Randy up before feeding him to Lesnar. Maybe this should have happened at Hell in a Cell or Survivor Series.