Prophet Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Here's my question on the whole team Cena thing ... why Khali? Bret Hart, I understand, the Nexus cost him a job. Edge and Jericho make sense, due to earlier that evening (so Cena wasn't working as hard as he'd have you believe.) Morrison has been beaten from pillar to post for weeks by the crew, so he makes sense. Even as a stretch, Truth coached Otunga, so he makes some sense, albeit not a whole lot. That leaves out Mark Henry who was beaten by the Nexus, and almost killed by Wade. Yoshi Tatsu who was decimated by the Nexus. Or, I dunno, maybe Evan Bourne, who was the first to run to Cena's aid when they started "fighting back" and was abused for it. I don't recall ever seeing Khali in the same frame as any Nexus member, and can't for the life of me figure out why he's there, unless they're mirroring. Like Cena to Barrett, Morrison to Gabriel, Edge to Sheffield, etc. Just think there's a better choice than the Punjabi Playboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eayragt Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Here's my question on the whole team Cena thing ... why Khali? Bret Hart, I understand, the Nexus cost him a job. Edge and Jericho make sense, due to earlier that evening (so Cena wasn't working as hard as he'd have you believe.) Morrison has been beaten from pillar to post for weeks by the crew, so he makes sense. Even as a stretch, Truth coached Otunga, so he makes some sense, albeit not a whole lot. That leaves out Mark Henry who was beaten by the Nexus, and almost killed by Wade. Yoshi Tatsu who was decimated by the Nexus. Or, I dunno, maybe Evan Bourne, who was the first to run to Cena's aid when they started "fighting back" and was abused for it. I don't recall ever seeing Khali in the same frame as any Nexus member, and can't for the life of me figure out why he's there, unless they're mirroring. Like Cena to Barrett, Morrison to Gabriel, Edge to Sheffield, etc. Just think there's a better choice than the Punjabi Playboy. It's the chance to put Khali in a big match. Where he doesn't have to wrestle for any more than two minutes. The real question is why they didn't involve Khali earlier, to make it make more sense. I know he's a dominating giant who you don't really want to see Nexys struggling to beat but... just have them shove him off the stage or something, knocking him out of action for a few weeks before returning with Team Cena. No? Is pushing someone off a stage onto some poorly hidden padding to extreme nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 No? Is pushing someone off a stage onto some poorly hidden padding to extreme nowadays? Maybe it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Here's my question on the whole team Cena thing ... why Khali? Bret Hart, I understand, the Nexus cost him a job. Edge and Jericho make sense, due to earlier that evening (so Cena wasn't working as hard as he'd have you believe.) Morrison has been beaten from pillar to post for weeks by the crew, so he makes sense. Even as a stretch, Truth coached Otunga, so he makes some sense, albeit not a whole lot. That leaves out Mark Henry who was beaten by the Nexus, and almost killed by Wade. Yoshi Tatsu who was decimated by the Nexus. Or, I dunno, maybe Evan Bourne, who was the first to run to Cena's aid when they started "fighting back" and was abused for it. I don't recall ever seeing Khali in the same frame as any Nexus member, and can't for the life of me figure out why he's there, unless they're mirroring. Like Cena to Barrett, Morrison to Gabriel, Edge to Sheffield, etc. Just think there's a better choice than the Punjabi Playboy. It helps show that the whole roster has a gripe against them, not just those who've had an interaction with them. And in a big assembly team Khali is the perfect role. Since he's a monster he can be made looking weak, and then powerful the very next second. A nice sidekick to hype things off. Nearly everyone else has likely other plans. I strongly believe Bourne will challenge for the US title, Henry would look so weak being revealed part of the team after being beaten by Barrett mere minutes before. And maybe that pushing off thing would've been too extreme... for Khali. Who knows what degree of bumps the big fella can take, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 From the booking sense, as in preparing the match, I totally understand it. Big dominating figure who is used in small spurts to "anchor" the team. I just meant in the flow of the story. Everyone else has a reason that we, on the outside, have seen. Some more obvious than others, but everyone has some semblance of legitimacy. Whereas Khali just appeared. That's why I mentioned alternatives. Although with Truth in the group, maybe Bourne will go for the US title, which wouldn't be a bad thing. Henry could've still been used, there's other names that Barrett could've underestimated weight wise and almost spiked into the ring apron. Khali just seems an awkward fit, since the week prior, his big thing was making out with Mama Brady. (Of which I envy, `cause even now, Florence Henderson looks good.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not really 'in to' wrestling as most here, but if Triple H isn't the best bag guy I've ever seen in wrestling then I don't know who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not really 'in to' wrestling as most here, but if Triple H isn't the best bag guy I've ever seen in wrestling then I don't know who is. Flair, Kurt Angle, Jericho, you know, people who can be entertaining and still hate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brashleyholland Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Flair, Kurt Angle, Jericho, you know, people who can be entertaining and still hate them. I can't hate those guys, especially Flair. That crazy old man can do no wrong in my eyes :-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Different strokes for different folks I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 At the end of this video he's asking kids if they have heard of Gable, Nigel, Vince Russo, Dave Meltzer and each one is a resounding no. Then he hands these 8 year old kids a copy of the Observer. Personally thats kind of mean he might be destroying some kids fantasies. Its funny but kinda wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe Hunter Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I'm not really 'in to' wrestling as most here, but if Triple H isn't the best bag guy I've ever seen in wrestling then I don't know who is. I thought Orton was the "bag guy", and was hated for such... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I thought Orton was the "bag guy", and was hated for such... LOL! You just made me laugh harder then I have in weeks. Man, I needed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 At the end of this video he's asking kids if they have heard of Gable, Nigel, Vince Russo, Dave Meltzer and each one is a resounding no. Then he hands these 8 year old kids a copy of the Observer. Personally thats kind of mean he might be destroying some kids fantasies. Its funny but kinda wrong. Not like they'd ever read it. You could give an 8 year old a newsletter about exploding killer death robots and they still wouldn't read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 But I had to share. It's just a shame that the E doesn't produce segments half as entertaining as this one. They could have turned Helms into a huge star I think, he certainly had the entertainment skills and he has always been pretty good in the ring. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoe Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div> <div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-4_UO7iXXUQ?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Rock Sings About Canada And Trades Insults"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> But I had to share. It's just a shame that the E doesn't produce segments half as entertaining as this one. They could have turned Helms into a huge star I think, he certainly had the entertainment skills and he has always been pretty good in the ring. </p><p> </p><p> *sigh*</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> "Go get The Rock a cheeseburger: no ketchup!"</p><p> </p><p> Ah The Rock. How we miss you.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 The Rock circa 2003 may have been the most entertaining character of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 I agree those few months he came back from Feb till April he was untouchable. That was as clear as it had ever been that the Rock was simply too much for pro wrestling. The guy was just simply too good. You wanted to just watch The Rock for two hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampulator Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 That's why he's gone... and why the WWE will never ever let anyone get as big as the Rock or Stone Cold again, unless they have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shape Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's why he's gone... and why the WWE will never ever let anyone get as big as the Rock or Stone Cold again, unless they have to.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You really think they could? Those guys are genuine household names. With wrestling as it is now nobody can reach that.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 the line "You been smokin' them funny cigarettes, The Rock will fly and whoop that candy-ass--" after Hurricane's question and the pause will remain one of my favorite lines, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's why he's gone... and why the WWE will never ever let anyone get as big as the Rock or Stone Cold again, unless they have to.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Wouldn't they be BEGGING someone to get that big. Those guys alone are responsible for a lot of the attitude years being a success. </p><p> </p><p> You really think if they could get John Cena to have a segment 8.4 segment like The Rock did with this is your life that they'd sya "nah we can't let you do that John nobody can get bigger than those two"</p><p> </p><p> Not even in a they keep shooting themselves in a foot when they get a star that could be that big way. There isn't a single star in wrestling today that has half of what the Rock had in charisma. John Cena is good but he's not Rock good, Mr. Kennedy is entertaining but he's not Rock Entertaining.</p><p> </p><p> If Vince could make John Cena as big as The Rock was he'd do it tomorrow. The truth is there isn't a man in pro wrestling that has the charisma the Rock has.</p><p> </p><p> I get the whole they leave Pro Wrestling thing but honestly The Rock is the only guy to succesfully leave Pro Wrestling and have a mainstream career outside of it. Austin is in second rate movies for the most part or bit roles in big movies. The Rock is a leading man in Hollywood to some degree. Not even Hogan had any success outside of pro wrestling. I think they would welcome it because at the end of the day these guys have contracts, Vince had to let The Rock leave he didn't have to.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="ampulator" data-cite="ampulator" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That's why he's gone... and why the WWE will never ever let anyone get as big as the Rock or Stone Cold again, unless they have to.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> That's kinda ridiculous. </p><p> </p><p> "Unless they have to" makes it seem as if they have a choice in creating a star that big. If the E could duplicate the success of the Rock or Stone Cold they'd do it in a second. </p><p> </p><p> Even if that star left in a few years, the PPV buys and ratings they generate short term, and the revenue and exposure they create longterm, is totally worth it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <p>The Rock helped make Brock Lesnar, but who did Austin help make into a star? I'm drawing a blank. The guy literally up and left without giving back anything. Vince doesn't want to create a mega-star like Rock, Hogan, or Austin because of the ego that it creates. I can't think of one person who Austin helped make into a star and the guy could have rubbed off his popularity onto anybody. Maybe my brain is too screwy to remember correctly, but Austin was always in it for himself. <img alt="" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/redface.png.900245280682ef18c5d82399a93c5827.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> I'd imagine Vince doesn't want to create anything like that ever again.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHilton Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <p>First..you guys are high if you think Vince & Co don't want to create another giant megastar. </p><p> </p><p> That's like saying the Cleveland Cavs would never draft a top player like Lebron because he might leave in 7 years again.</p><p> </p><p> Second..Logan your brain is screwy because Austin put over The Rock big time early in their rivalry (although you could argue Rocky would've been a star regardless) and then, when Triple H made his jump to the main event in 01, it was his feud with Austin (specifically going over clean at No Way in that 2-of-3 fall match) that cemented him as a main eventer.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Stennick" data-cite="Stennick" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Wouldn't they be BEGGING someone to get that big. Those guys alone are responsible for a lot of the attitude years being a success. <p> </p><p> You really think if they could get John Cena to have a segment 8.4 segment like The Rock did with this is your life that they'd sya "nah we can't let you do that John nobody can get bigger than those two"</p><p> </p><p> Not even in a they keep shooting themselves in a foot when they get a star that could be that big way. There isn't a single star in wrestling today that has half of what the Rock had in charisma. John Cena is good but he's not Rock good, Mr. Kennedy is entertaining but he's not Rock Entertaining.</p><p> </p><p> If Vince could make John Cena as big as The Rock was he'd do it tomorrow. The truth is there isn't a man in pro wrestling that has the charisma the Rock has.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>I get the whole they leave Pro Wrestling thing but honestly The Rock is the only guy to succesfully leave Pro Wrestling and have a mainstream career outside of it. Austin is in second rate movies for the most part or bit roles in big movies. The Rock is a leading man in Hollywood to some degree.</strong> Not even Hogan had any success outside of pro wrestling. I think they would welcome it because at the end of the day these guys have contracts, Vince had to let The Rock leave he didn't have to.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> First of all, Autin didn't exactly leave. He would still be in the ring to this day if it wasn't for Owen and some other injuries. And the Rock...well,yes he is the only one having a succesfull career...but he is not a leading man to any extent and in any degree. A good career,but he's not the next Schwarzennegger. Not yet at least. And i doubt he'll get bigger. From now on...down is the way. And he will end up returning like they all do.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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