fullMETAL Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 I think Punk/Taker would be great and dramatic because Punk could draw on the one thing he has over Taker that just about nobody else (well, nobody currently active, at least) does: he made Undertaker tap out. And in a title match, no less. Just incorporate that little golden nugget into one of his promos and he'll instantly be able to make people think "Well, would Undertaker be able to return the favor when it counts? Or is an angry pipebombing Punk just too much for him again?" I happen to think that the Punk/Undertaker match at WM will probably turn out to be LEAGUES better than it really deserves to be considering the shape Taker's in at this point. I predict lots of near-falls and at least 2 or 3 dramatic rope-breaks of each of their submissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 So Heyman said, after ruining the delight of seeing NAO back on TV for a brief moment, that they've now destroyed the "last vestiges of DX". And I found out, after joking about him, that Sean Waltman signed a Legends contract four days ago. Curious if they'll make any use of him, or if it's just a merchandise deal (even though he was already in the last video game...). In other news: push Justin Gabriel. Please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 The African Werewolf just screams awesome purple and black merchandise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 Raw was epic! And no Cena! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted March 12, 2013 Share Posted March 12, 2013 I'm kinda torn on Raw. On the one hand, I think the whole punk insulting taker and kane's memorial service for Bearer led to great heat and kicked the storyline reasons for taker wanting a piece of punk from "meh" to this should be good. On the other hand, It always makes me uncomfortable, even when the families say it's ok, when WWE can't even wait for the body to be cold before they flip a death for heat. I felt the same way about Orton going after Eddie, even with Vicki signing off on it. But there's no denying that storyline has far more behind it now going into mania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justtxyank Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think Paul Bearer would have wanted his name used after death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 So Heyman said, after ruining the delight of seeing NAO back on TV for a brief moment, that they've now destroyed the "last vestiges of DX". And I found out, after joking about him, that Sean Waltman signed a Legends contract four days ago. Curious if they'll make any use of him, or if it's just a merchandise deal (even though he was already in the last video game...). In other news: push Justin Gabriel. Please? I'd bet there's going to be at least one full DX reunion before 'Mania. Kinda hoping it's at the philly show on MArch 25 :-) Because I'm going. In the VIP box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 On the other hand, It always makes me uncomfortable, even when the families say it's ok, when WWE can't even wait for the body to be cold before they flip a death for heat. I felt the same way about Orton going after Eddie, even with Vicki signing off on it. But there's no denying that storyline has far more behind it now going into mania. I remember the Orton one being a lot worse than this (I think). I get what you mean but I think they were careful to not overstep any mark. I think they hyped it up a lot but IIRC what he actually said there wasn't anything that disrespectful other than interrupting it, but the fact they'd giving such a good tribute at the start and throughout the show sort of negated that. I don't think any disrespect was shown to Bearer - fair enough if you disagree but I think it was presented in a way that it really wasn't as bad as Edit: I also completely get the "feeling uncomfortable", it was a bit like "what's he going to say next?" but as far as I'm concerned it wasn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 I'm kinda torn on Raw. On the one hand, I think the whole punk insulting taker and kane's memorial service for Bearer led to great heat and kicked the storyline reasons for taker wanting a piece of punk from "meh" to this should be good. On the other hand, It always makes me uncomfortable, even when the families say it's ok, when WWE can't even wait for the body to be cold before they flip a death for heat. I felt the same way about Orton going after Eddie, even with Vicki signing off on it. But there's no denying that storyline has far more behind it now going into mania. Honestly I don't even think you can compare the two. Punk never directly said anything derogatory about his death. Interrupting Undertaker and doing the whole urn thing was bad kind of but I don't think it should even be in the same sentence as saying Eddie Guerrero was in hell. I also wonder what would have happened had he not died. It just seemed like a natural storyline evolution and Punk is the first heel UT is facing in a long time (WM24) so the feud needed to be more than respect/streak/etc and despite the obvious coincidence, Bearer's death really made the story better than I thought it could have been. Overall I think WWE needs way more heels who are actual bad guys and not just the people that we don't like because the good guys fight them. Heels should be the ones you WANT to see get their ass kicked because they are doing bad things and in general making life hell for the babyface and then they eventually get their just due at the PPV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 13, 2013 Share Posted March 13, 2013 It has always been annoying when the GOOD guy does more evil things than the BAD guys. Don't want to double post but here's another good blog: http://g9zwwe.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 <p>My two cents about last monday's RAW:</p><p> </p><p> So...i assume Vince McMahon was meeting his creative teem to discusse ideas for wrestlemania and he said:</p><p> </p><p> - "Who should we put against The Undertaker at this year's Mania??</p><p> </p><p> Creative team in silence...Vince Continues:</p><p> </p><p> - CM Punk, that looks good. And how should we build up that feud?</p><p> </p><p> More silence from the rest of the staff...Vince goes on:</p><p> </p><p> - By making him lose to Kane, just a few weeks before his match with Taker. That will make everyone believe that he will certainly win The Undertaker. I'm glad we all agree!"</p><p> </p><p> Yeah...that's about it.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho Sam Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 <p>*facepalm*</p><p> </p><p> Didn't catch RAW...but why would Punk lose to Kane?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn michaels Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Psycho Sam" data-cite="Psycho Sam" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*facepalm*<p> </p><p> Didn't catch RAW...but why would Punk lose to Kane?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> You didn't lose that much. I event thought they could have done a better tribute to Bearer then they did. Putting guys like Ziggler and Kofi and Miz talking about it is fine, as they were probably fans at the time, but they could have collected statements from older guys that worked with him. Other than that, i liked the video tributes.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: He lost when Taker appeared in the ramp distracting him. Still, it's no way to build Punk up to potentially end a streak. The fans have to believe he will win, even if Punk loses, as he probably will.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Trask Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 <p>I don't dislike what happened?</p><p> </p><p> I mean, it's classic Taker. I don't think Punk is hurt by falling victim to Taker mindgames and he immediately got any heat he lost straight back by beating Kane up and then chickening out of fighting Taker, and then mocking his pose and all. *Shrugs*</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 <p>Smackdown was on top form this week. A few good matches, plenty of Shield action, progression of the Ryback/Henry feud, funny Ricardo/ADR skit.</p><p> </p><p> As for the Paul Bearer stuff: I was happy with the tribute and don't mind his use in the feud. Kane beating Punk was a nice nod of respect to Bearer (Punk probably would have won otherwise). Marks were given something to cheer and Punk still got heat when he stole the urn, beat-down Kane with it and mocked Taker.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crownsy Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Psycho Sam" data-cite="Psycho Sam" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*facepalm*<p> </p><p> Didn't catch RAW...but why would Punk lose to Kane?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I didn't mind that at all, Punk had interrupted their memorial for their father and insulted him. It was a good match, which punk dominated for the most part, and he lost because of taker.</p><p> </p><p> It's not like Kane came out and whooped him, Punk was in control the whole match until Taker distracted him and kane took advantage, and he beat the stuffing out of kane with the Urn right afterwards and mocked taker to keep his heat.</p><p> </p><p> I mean, they were in a tough spot there. You weren't going to have kane lose when the whole show was built around him trying to avenge his father's memory for a feel good moment.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Psycho Sam" data-cite="Psycho Sam" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>*facepalm*<p> </p><p> Didn't catch RAW...but why would Punk lose to Kane?</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> So it's more of a shock when CM Punk ends Undertaker's streak.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha Black Phenom Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <p>I still don't know why some people are still so fixated on wins and losses. I just watched the match and it wasn't even a clean victory for Kane, Punk was distracted. And Kane had fuel going into the match. People actin' like he lost to Zack Ryder.</p><p> </p><p> Is there anything hyped for tonight's Raw, I heard something about the HHH/Brock stip, baffled that they haven't announced that yet but hey. (haven't watched since before EC)</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <p>Punk losing was a one-night payoff thing. He interrupted the tribute to Paul Bearer ( I LOLed) and as a fitting send off to a television character, they had the Taker/Kane side look good for one night. And like previously stated, it was not exactly a clean one it was a distraction.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Punk DID bring the fight to Kane and looked pretty good if you watched the entire match, and didn't just judge it by the last 10 seconds.</p><p> </p><p> In the lead up to mania for the next coupe of weeks, Punk will probably look quite strong. But he's honestly been winning those big PPV matches by the skin of his teeth more than putting on dominating performances. So it's not like Punk cant lose a little bit here and there and still be a credible threat. But seriously, does anyone really think Punk wins at WM? Come on now. Be serious. He doesn't have to look particularly strong. He simply has to draw enough heat to make the fans want to see Taker pin him. Classic wrestling logic 101 here, folks.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEgend Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Tha Black Phenom" data-cite="Tha Black Phenom" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I still don't know why some people are still so fixated on wins and losses. I just watched the match and it wasn't even a clean victory for Kane, Punk was distracted. And Kane had fuel going into the match. People actin' like he lost to Zack Ryder.<p> </p><p> Is there anything hyped for tonight's Raw, I heard something about the HHH/Brock stip, baffled that they haven't announced that yet but hey. (haven't watched since before EC)</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> On WWE.com the main thing is Triple H responding to Brock's response - presumably saying yes <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /> I think they'll set up a contract signing NW.</p><p> </p><p> Also on Punk losing to Kane - it really doesn't matter, he came out on top at the end of the night and Taker cost him the victory.</p><p> </p><p> I'm also pleased that we don't know every stipulation and match, it's something I think they've done well this year. In previous years we've know the majority weeks and weeks in advance (or even a full year with Cena/Rock) and it can descend into filler. This year they're giving good content (at least so far) right until the PPV which gives it a bigger feel IMO.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 <p>That crowd last night gave not one single crap about HHH/Lesnar.</p><p> </p><p> Also, hasn't HHH retired already? Like, twice?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 That crowd was terrible. But it was fitting as most of Raw was terrible. The first half was wasted with squash matches and recaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 <p>They may be building a feud between Fandango and Chris Jericho.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: just found these </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://shop.wwe.com/CM-Punk-Gnome-Bench/W05033,default,pd.html" rel="external nofollow">http://shop.wwe.com/CM-Punk-Gnome-Bench/W05033,default,pd.html</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comradebot Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>That crowd was terrible. But it was fitting as most of Raw was terrible. The first half was wasted with squash matches and recaps.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I fell asleep halfway through or so (though I was really sick, still am a bit), and woke up long enough to see Wade Barrett win the triple threat.</p><p> </p><p> Really, that's all I needed to see, and nothing else could've passed it. Though I thought I remember hearing something in my slumber about Justin Gabriel, but maybe I was just dreaming that they were finally going to give him a push.</p><p> </p><p> EDIT: Yup, looks like I'm dreaming. I guess sick-sleeping with the WWE on me opens my mind to what an absolute mark I am.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdStringPG Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>They may be building a feud between Fandango and Chris Jericho.<p> </p><p> Edit: just found these </p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://shop.wwe.com/CM-Punk-Gnome-Bench/W05033,default,pd.html" rel="external nofollow">http://shop.wwe.com/CM-Punk-Gnome-Bench/W05033,default,pd.html</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> The Fandango-Chris Jericho skit was, for me, the highlight of this week's RAW. And now that you mention it, having those two feud could be interesting. Better to have Fandango (whose gimmick is getting stale, and fast!) feud with Jericho than with Great Khali... <img alt=":D" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/biggrin.png.929299b4c121f473b0026f3d6e74d189.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p><p> </p><p> Speaking of Khali, what happened to Hornswoggle? Do I smell future endeavors for Dylan Postl? <img alt=":p" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/tongue.png.ceb643b2956793497cef30b0e944be28.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" /></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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