lazorbeak Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 WWE.com article about ROH http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-of-honor-influence-26179913 Cool article. Interesting to hear from Cabana, who hasn't really done anything in WWE. I know he was going up to New York for some project after hearing about it on Austin's show. What did that end up being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Cool article. Interesting to hear from Cabana, who hasn't really done anything in WWE. I know he was going up to New York for some project after hearing about it on Austin's show. What did that end up being? He's had some announcing tryouts recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>Although I record ROH every week I barely ever watch it. I remember those first two "generations" of guys that came through ROH seemingly all made it big. Now days you don't hear about anyone creating a buzz in ROH. Aren't one of the Briscoes champions and some Adam Cole guy is a contender. I saw a promo the other day. Anyway I know the Briscoes because they've been around since the start of the thing (after seeing one of their twitter rants I now see why they'll NEVER be in a WWE ring). Now days though there isn't anyone "new" there that has a buzz like Daniels, or Danielson or Joe or Punk or even Kendrick, London, Nigel, etc. </p><p> </p><p> I've heard through various people that their business is down, I know they're on their third owner I believe, Feinstein, to Silky, to Sinclair sounds right. I know people have been saying TNA is on their death bed for years but the honest truth is as long as they can produce shows in Orlando and more importantly as long as Spike keeps them on TV they'll never die. ROH I don't know if its people over reacting or if business is down with them. </p><p> </p><p> On one hand I think its awesome when the WWE uses them as a farm club but doesn't own them because if they did they wouldn't be ROH and couldn't be ROH not under the corporate umbrella. On the other hand sometimes people that follow ROH then see those guys turn up in the WWE and get all ragey and butt hurt when they "aren't being used right" instead of just appreciating this guy went from bingo halls to six figures in a lot of cases. Very cool to see the article though I love their slight nods to ROH.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>ROH is in a tough place because they've been trying to expand but it's hurt their product in the process.</p><p> </p><p> They have to run more shows which leads to crowd burnout</p><p> They have weekly TV which is watered down (for obvious reasons)</p><p> The Jim Cornette experiment set the company back a bit as he tried to book modern wrestling with old school elements and it just fell flat</p><p> It has been trying to have a more mainstream feel which means falling into the same traps as the big companies (insert mega heel stable here)</p><p> A lot of little nuisances that weren't there before have suddenly popped up like extremely inconsistent commentary quality (Steve Corino most of the time is unlistenable)</p><p> </p><p> Their production values are head and shoulders above the rest of the non WWE/TNA companies but even then they've had issues with iPPV recently as well. ROH is on the upswing now and they still have tons of talent (Elgin is a top 3 big man in the business, Adam Cole is amazing, Kyle O'Reilly, etc) but Gabe Sapolsky's new projects (since 2010) have been basically doing with ROH used to do as well as PWG which is quite easily the best US company and contending with New Japan as the best in the world. It shows too because since 2012 the following guys were signed to WWE</p><p> </p><p> Brodie Lee/Luke Harper</p><p> Pac/Adrian Neville</p><p> El Generico/Sami Zayn</p><p> Sami Calihan/Solomon Crowe</p><p> Samuray del Sol/Kalisto</p><p> </p><p> All have came from PWG and/or DGUSA/Evolve. The only minor exception is Generico who worked in ROH but he had been in PWG for 3 or 4 years before even working for ROH. They are pretty much the go to indy companies for new talent these days because they work similar to how ROH used to during their best period in the mid 00s.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>and some Adam Cole guy is a contender</div></blockquote><p> Adam Cole is the champion now, actually, and has a world of potential. I fully expect him to get signed by WWE within the next 5 years and have a career that surpasses any ex-ROH guy outside of Punk and Bryan.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Roguey Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Final Countdown" data-cite="The Final Countdown" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Adam Cole is the champion now, actually, and has a world of potential. I fully expect him to get signed by WWE within the next 5 years and have a career that surpasses any ex-ROH guy outside of Punk and Bryan.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I agree, he's a complete package. Looks, skill, attitude. He's got it all!</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I've yet to see Cole cut a promo that didn't make me change the channel. In the ring the guy's amazing, I'll give him that. I also haven't seen every ROH show or anything to say there's no way he's a promo guy. If anyone can find some solid mic work from him, share a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>Does this do it?</p><p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/eKCDBFRbZoA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 Battle of Los Angeles winner - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZCvs_HLkY_U?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 BOLA - Adam Cole calls out Kevin Steen"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/u4cLYjjEwM8?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Adam Cole - RunSteenRun"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/38X1ps6VEl0?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - Failure to Communicate - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/_oGwgG0jF2s?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="FEAR IS A POWERFUL EMOTION"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> And for fun</p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CU8F_vLDwDA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG BOLA 2013 -"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/R7jpnYKY9CU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Greatest Stunner Of All Time!"></iframe></div></div><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk</a></p><p> </p><p> PWG is seriously the best</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Elgin is a top 3 big man in the business</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Great powerhouse for sure, but hardly a big man in WWE terms.</p><p> </p><p> Got to agree on the PWG love. I would say NJPW are top right now for wrestling, but PWG are putting on the most entertaining shows right now (including great wrestling), the atmosphere and wrestling coupled with the less serious spots they do make for great shows.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="1234" data-cite="1234" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Great powerhouse for sure, but hardly a big man in WWE terms.<p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Well he's not massive, but his size is easily comparable to Big E and Bray Wyatt. He's not Henry or Kane but he's well above average</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Rickymex" data-cite="Rickymex" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>WWE.com article about ROH<p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-of-honor-influence-26179913" rel="external nofollow">http://www.wwe.com/inside/the-ring-of-honor-influence-26179913</a></p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Read it, and lolled. Not a word about Punk. Seriously, guys? Is this how you repay him? Couple of months of radio silence?</p><p> </p><p> But to be honest. I haven't watched ROH in a while now.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well he's not massive, but his size is easily comparable to Big E and Bray Wyatt. He's not Henry or Kane but he's well above average</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I wouldn't have guessed Bray and Big E were anywhere near the same height. I'd have guessed Big E was 5'8, and Bray 6'4.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Final Countdown Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Blackman" data-cite="Blackman" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Read it, and lolled. Not a word about Punk. Seriously, guys? Is this how you repay him? Couple of months of radio silence?<p> </p><p> But to be honest. I haven't watched ROH in a while now.</p></div></blockquote><p> He did get mentioned at least a couple of times.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Self" data-cite="Self" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I wouldn't have guessed Bray and Big E were anywhere near the same height. I'd have guessed Big E was 5'8, and Bray 6'4.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Apparently Big E is 5'11 (probably the height from his weightlifting days instead of WWE), Bray is billed at 6'3 and Elgin is billed at 5'11</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <p>I just checked wikipedia myself. I don't believe it. I've stood next to enough indy wrestlers (Davey Richards, Sami Callihan) and then seen footage of them next to other wrestlers, to not trust wikipedia for heights. If Daniel Bryan is 5'10 I'll eat my hat. </p><p> </p><p> Although if EVERY wrestler adds 2-3" to their height, I guess Elgin isn't as far off Big Man standards as I thought.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm 6'0 and when I met Daniel Bryan I'd say I was around 2 inches taller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrows Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Does this do it?<p> </p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/eKCDBFRbZoA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 Battle of Los Angeles winner - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/ZCvs_HLkY_U?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - 2012 BOLA - Adam Cole calls out Kevin Steen"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/u4cLYjjEwM8?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="Adam Cole - RunSteenRun"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/38X1ps6VEl0?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG - Failure to Communicate - Adam Cole"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/_oGwgG0jF2s?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="FEAR IS A POWERFUL EMOTION"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><p> And for fun</p><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="150" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/CU8F_vLDwDA?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="PWG BOLA 2013 -"></iframe></div></div><p> </p><div class="ipsEmbeddedVideo"><div><iframe width="200" height="113" src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/R7jpnYKY9CU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" title="The Greatest Stunner Of All Time!"></iframe></div></div><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk" rel="external nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrWGULIhlDk</a></p><p> </p><p> PWG is seriously the best</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I really should find somewhere to watch PWG.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1234 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Well he's not massive, but his size is easily comparable to Big E and Bray Wyatt. He's not Henry or Kane but he's well above average</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> For some reason I had it in my head Big E was taller than I have now realised he is. Would be curious to see Elgin in a WWE ring now to get a grasp on how big he looks compared to some of the roster.</p><p> </p><p> On Bryan, I have heard 5'8 in the past, although I can't remember where. Pretty sure WWE bill people 1 or 2 inches above their actual height.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Bryan is roughly the same height as Jericho so 5'8 or 5'9 sounds right. Jericho seems to wear larger than normal lifts though since he is eye to eye with Punk when in the ring while Bryan is a good bit shorter and Punk I think is a legit 6' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delv213 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I'm 6'0 and when I met Daniel Bryan I'd say I was around 2 inches taller.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> His mop of hair should add an inch or two, also were you standing up straight? Byan is 4 or so inches taller then the legit 5'3 Rey Mysterio in this match.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxfkck_daniel-bryan-vs-rey-mysterio-04-02-13_sport" rel="external nofollow">http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxfkck_daniel-bryan-vs-rey-mysterio-04-02-13_sport</a></p><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Bryan is roughly the same height as Jericho so 5'8 or 5'9 sounds right. Jericho seems to wear larger than normal lifts though since he is eye to eye with Punk when in the ring while Bryan is a good bit shorter and Punk I think is a legit 6'</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Haha, I'm sure you heard about Kane wrestling for years with huge lifts in his boots because he needed to be "larger" than The Undertaker in order to get over how much of a "Mastodon" this guy is!.. Sorry I've been watching too many WWF Vader matches, Vince jizzed his pants everytime he thought of that name.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 <p>I watch PWG from time to time they are pretty great. Don't come around to philly too much though and I don't buy iPPVs that i haven't seen built so I don't catch it as much as I'd like. </p><p> </p><p> As far as NJPW is there English commentary available? I'd actually purchase some of it but I can't watch wrestling if I don't understand the commentary. To me it's like eating a cake without icing. Commentary is such a huge part of wrestling and storytelling that I can't deal without it when I'm watching it on TV. There's a different level of immersion when you're seeing it live, so I get that. But I DID catch when njpw did their tour over here and that was pretty awesome, but I had the benefit of my japanophile friend telling me what had been going on. Ironically when I watch stick and ball sports I almost do better without commentary.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 There are plans to do english commentary in the future and they just added spanish for their most recent ippvs on Ustream. I assume they added spanish first because they work closely with CMLL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sweet I did enjoy the wrestling from them I saw. Really cool stuff. So do you guys just watch it on the internet and are cool without the commentary or do you find you get the gist of it after you watch it for awhile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickymex Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>There are plans to do english commentary in the future and they just added spanish for their most recent ippvs on Ustream. I assume they added spanish first because they work closely with CMLL</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I need to check out the Spanish commentary. If it's anything like the WWE one then I rather wait until they do English commentary to follow as closely as I would like.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="bigtplaystew" data-cite="bigtplaystew" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Sweet I did enjoy the wrestling from them I saw. Really cool stuff. So do you guys just watch it on the internet and are cool without the commentary or do you find you get the gist of it after you watch it for awhile?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I dont speak a lick of Japanese but after watching for a while you get used to it. The only thing I can understand is the wrestler names and when they call moves but it doesn't really bother me. In long matches I can kinda zone out though</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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