Mootinie Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Tyler Breeze made an entertaining guest announcer. I love how snarky he was with Renee.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I disagree with that, they weren't calling the action and I found it to be quite distracting. Their argument was the kind of thing that would have made a great backstage segment, but it didn't belong during a great match like RVD vs Neville.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 <p><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Smackdown Review</span></strong><strong>:</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>The Great</strong> - Sheamus vs Bray, Cesaro & Del Rio vs Ziggler & RVD</p><p> <strong>The Good</strong> - BNB vs Ambrose (shame Barrett was injured after the match), Kane vs Reigns, Goldust & Stardust backstage</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Verdict:</span></strong> Good show</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killagy Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 <p>Damn, horrible news for Corey Graves fans: <a href="http://www.24wrestling.com/nxt-star-done-ring-career-suffering-second-concussion/" rel="external nofollow">NXT Star Done With In-Ring Career After Suffering Second Concussion</a></p><p> </p><p> And something bound to ruffle up a few feathers on the net: <a href="http://www.24wrestling.com/update-daniel-bryans-return-wwe-longer-viewing-main-eventer/" rel="external nofollow">Update On Daniel Bryan’s Return: WWE No Longer Viewing Him As Main Eventer?</a></p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKnifed72 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Killagy" data-cite="Killagy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Damn, horrible news for Corey Graves fans: <a href="http://www.24wrestling.com/nxt-star-done-ring-career-suffering-second-concussion/" rel="external nofollow">NXT Star Done With In-Ring Career After Suffering Second Concussion</a><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Just want to say, with all the stories we hear about the ***holes in wrestling, that I met Graves (then known as Sterling James Keenan) at an indy promotion his family used to run near Pittsburgh several years back...our band contributed a theme song to their promotion that they used on their website briefly...Keenan(Graves) and his family for that matter all truly great people, as well as SJK being a great performer...I'm sad to hear this, hopefully the WWE will find him a role for him in commentary/training/managing or somewhere 'cause he deserves it</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Killagy" data-cite="Killagy" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Damn, horrible news for Corey Graves fans: <a href="http://www.24wrestling.com/nxt-star-done-ring-career-suffering-second-concussion/" rel="external nofollow">NXT Star Done With In-Ring Career After Suffering Second Concussion</a><p> </p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I thought he was a pretty awful worker in NXT, but that does suck.</p><p> </p><p> Decent PPV, but I would've preferred anything to that ending.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I enjoyed the first tag match and the first MitB match, everything else just bored me out of my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoganRodzen Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="The Swanton825" data-cite="The Swanton825" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I enjoyed the first tag match and the first MitB match, everything else just bored me out of my mind.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Could not agree with you more. The opening tag match was really good and had me pumped for a good show. I'm glad WWE Network lets me pause and go do other things because I skipped the diva's and Rose/Sandow stuff, along with other stuff later in the night. The first MITB match was really good. Some awesome spots that I really enjoyed. Besides that the show was pretty blah (<img alt=":eek:" data-src="//content.invisioncic.com/g322608/emoticons/eek.png.0e09df00fa222c85760b9bc1700b5405.png" src="<___base_url___>/applications/core/interface/js/spacer.png" />).</p><p> </p><p> I had high hopes for the title match. I knew deep down that Cena was going to win... it was in Mass after all. I just hoped that WWE would go in a different direction. I truly wanted Bray Wyatt to win but I knew it wouldn't happen. In my opinion The Wyatt Family should have left last night with all of them touching gold.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaysin Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 The big rumor is that Lesnar is next in line to get the belt, so it would have sucked if Wyatt or Cesaro had won the title. Cena can absorb a loss to Lesnar no problem, Wyatt or Cesaro wouldn't be so lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Jaysin" data-cite="Jaysin" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>The big rumor is that Lesnar is next in line to get the belt, so it would have sucked if Wyatt or Cesaro had won the title. Cena can absorb a loss to Lesnar no problem, Wyatt or Cesaro wouldn't be so lucky.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I am going to go out on a limb and guess that a one and a half month reign followed by a hard fought loss to Lesnar will be better than what ever feud/story line that either gets involved in over that same time period. My big fear is the next PPV we get Cena beating Wyatt again. It is at the point I am hopping Battleground ends up Cena vs Orton or Cena vs Kane two matches I have no interest in at all just so no one who isn't already established gets hurt by the match. I know people will complain about the same old thing but it is better than the alternative. Also other big fear Cena vs Rusev, if you are going to build up a monster his first loss should actually benefit the baby face in someway.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Cena beating either Wyatt or Cesaro in a hard fought match would put them over just about as much as them jobbing to Lesnar would. Having a new guy win the itle isnt plausible right now when you have DB on the shelf and Punk gone. Cena was the only good choice to put the title on and Cena vs Lesnar is the biggest match that the E can put on right now. If you were running a promotion, with two of the most relevant wrestlers around both gone, would anybody really put the title on non draws like Cesaro or Wyatt to build towards the second biggest PPV of the year or would you put it on your cash cow to build towards a sure thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterded Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Cena beating either Wyatt or Cesaro in a hard fought match would put them over just about as much as them jobbing to Lesnar would. Having a new guy win the itle isnt plausible right now when you have DB on the shelf and Punk gone. Cena was the only good choice to put the title on and Cena vs Lesnar is the biggest match that the E can put on right now. If you were running a promotion, with two of the most relevant wrestlers around both gone, would anybody really put the title on non draws like Cesaro or Wyatt to build towards the second biggest PPV of the year or would you put it on your cash cow to build towards a sure thing?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> My first point was about the idea that Wyatt and Cesaro are better off not winning the title as it would have hurt them to lose to Lesnar something I believe is not true. I wasn't saying I didn't understand why WWE didn't do it.</p><p> </p><p> Wyatt losing on another PPV to Cena would hurt him. A 4 week program that gets dropped the second after the PPV is over never helps the loser. The only exception I could see is if it was someone like Cesaro losing to Cena with a long game leading to a face turn and feud with Lesnar.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="masterded" data-cite="masterded" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>My first point was about the idea that Wyatt and Cesaro are better off not winning the title as it would have hurt them to lose to Lesnar something I believe is not true. I wasn't saying I didn't understand why WWE didn't do it.<p> </p><p> Wyatt losing on another PPV to Cena would hurt him. A 4 week program that gets dropped the second after the PPV is over never helps the loser. The only exception I could see is if it was someone like Cesaro losing to Cena with a long game leading to a face turn and feud with Lesnar.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> If I may go into some fantasy booking, I could see a storyline where Bray keeps coming at Cena no matter what Cena does to him. No matter how many times Cena beats him, Bray knows he'll only go so far and that is his personal victory. That he ultimately will keep coming at Cena until Cena proves himself to be what Bray believes him to be. </p><p> </p><p> An awesome twist (which I know will NEVER happen) would be if Cena finally just destroys Bray to "finish him off once and for all". I could see them doing a great double turn where Cena pushes himself to the limit and goes too far, turning heel in the process and making the fans respect Bray even more. Of course this would depend heavily on the ring psychology of the two workers, which I know many of our friendly posters on this board are convinced Bray doesn't have enough of (yet) and Cena has even less of.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djthefunkchris Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <p>I think I would come up with another three man group, that is way more devious then the Wyatt's. Since they used Wyatt family, perhaps the Clanton Clan could be built up from three of their next prospects. I would make the Clanton Clan typical heel types, but all blatant about it. Win at all costs, cheating every single time, stealing things from others (belts, briefcases, etc.), push them so heavy as to have all good or bad, doesn't matter, they would all be afraid of them. Something like what went on back when no one had confidence in HHH, vote of no confidence, etc. Something similar, but when it comes down to revolt, have the Wyatts be the ones that take control of the situation. Obvously it would end up a turn, but they don't really have to change their characters... it would just end up the Wyatt's vs the Clantons... Familiar sounding rivalry. </p><p> </p><p> If they really pushed the Clanton Clan as menacing threats that take out talent left and right, especially the one's with titles, and get the whole roster talking about them and worried about them at every turn, escalating in them winning every single title (heck, include a women in the mix, and give her the Divas belt as well). Eventually leading into no one wanting to even compete for the title because they know they will get beat down every night before the match, and probably after it as well. Enter the Wyatts new agenda, crush the Clanton Clan, going just that much more darker and more menacing then the Clantons.</p><p> </p><p> Edit: In other words, if I were worried about hurting paybanks like Cena or Lesnar by having them lose, or worried about either or them burrying the Wyatts, this is the route I would go, using them to build up a new group, but having them go over in a way that elevates them without having to beat my paybanks.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stennick Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Anyone who thinks Cena doesn't have ring psychology doesn't have any idea what the meaning of the word is. He has been in some of if not the highest profile and just flat out best wrestling matches of the last five years easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takerlives77 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Zeb Colter is the man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Anyone who thinks Cena doesn't have ring psychology doesn't have any idea what the meaning of the word is. He has been in some of if not the highest profile and just flat out best wrestling matches of the last five years easily. Agreed. Bray's is pretty impressive too thus far. He still has some way to go overall but I feel he really knows how to put that character into the ring and keep it believable and interesting. I am really impressed with Cody Rhodes in this regard as well. From his Patrick Bateman-like character to the guy with the mask to the disappointed-in-himself tag team partner to Stardust... this guy has reinvented himself and gotten over and over again. He still needs help to reach that next level but something tells me he'll get there in time. I liked MitB btw. Michael Cole called Bray Wyatt a nutbag lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milamber Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Money in the Bank Review: Pre-Show - Bo Dallas cutting an inspirational promo on Daniel Bryan was worth watching. The Usos vs The Wyatts (Tag Ttiles) - Great match. Considering this feud has been going for some time, they really pulled out all the stops. I hope the Wyatts didn't get screwed over so The Ascension can get a big push with the titles after they debut. Naomi vs Paige (Divas Championsihp) - Good match aside from the botch. Marked out for the RamPaige. After Naomi's performance I'm a little disappointed she didn't win the title. If AJ isn't returning soon are they going to keep this feud going while they build up Summer as a threat? Sandow vs Rose - OK match, much better than it should have been. Both guys are working hard to get over with difficult gimmicks. The crowd had fun with it. MITB Ladder Contract Match - Great match. So many crazy brutal-looking spots. The focus on Ambrose and Rollins made for a good story. Shame they had to involve Kane in the finish. Rybaxel vs GoldStar - Solid match. They need to rename Cross-Rhodes "Star-Crossed." Rusev vs Big E - Rusev's longest match to date and it was solid. Big E also made The Accolade look legit. Summer vs Layla - OK filler match. Fandango's ref shirt A non-NXT diva locks in an Indian Deathlock and the crowd chant "CM Punk." Disgraceful. MITB WWE Championship Match - Good match (even with the predictable finish) but it lacked the "holy crap" spots of the 1st ladder match. Verdict: Good PPV. Only negative was the predictable results. http://37.media.tumblr.com/1b292b88901f9471cdc75736fa8442a7/tumblr_n7yjvowyHh1rnjfjfo1_r2_400.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swanton825 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="milamber" data-cite="milamber" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><strong>Naomi vs Paige (Divas Championsihp)</strong> - Good match aside from the botch. Marked out for the RamPaige. After Naomi's performance I'm a little disappointed she didn't win the title. If AJ isn't returning soon are they going to keep this feud going while they build up Summer as a threat?</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Really? Paige got in like, four moves and continued to look like a fluke champion. Seriously, what is the point of even showing us NXT if nothing about the characters carry over?</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtplaystew Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Raw was fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teh_Showtime Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <p>Just an aside, the superplex spot in the divas match clearly wasnt a botch</p><p> </p><p> Paige never uses the top rope for her superplex so when she used it to step over to the fall I thought it was obvious that it was a planned spot. Though I dont know if that's saying they are good or if people think they are bad that a lot of people assume it was a botch</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Teh_Showtime" data-cite="Teh_Showtime" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Just an aside, the superplex spot in the divas match clearly wasnt a botch<p> </p><p> Paige never uses the top rope for her superplex so when she used it to step over to the fall I thought it was obvious that it was a planned spot. Though I dont know if that's saying they are good or if people think they are bad that a lot of people assume it was a botch</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> It just means smarks are sucked in easily for that sort of thing. You could tell it was a planned spot because you can basically see Naomi's brain remembering spot to spot where she needs to be at all times, so I think completely screwing up a potentially dangerous spot would've caused more of a break while the ref talks to her to get her back on track/make sure she's not dead. She really is a pretty impressive athlete though. The sooner she can separate from Cameron and her dumb gimmick, the better.</p><p> </p><p> Also I may be in the minority opinion, but I wasn't excited to see AJ return and win the belt like that. She's got a good character and has gotten over, but she's still pretty mediocre in the ring. I'd much rather see her chase Paige for a month or so first and see if AJ can have a decent match when she's not in a never-ending feud with the roster of Total Divas.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpoolez Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <p>I also wasnt a fan of AJ coming back and winning the title. They should've built up towards the moment. Having Paige lose like that just makes her look like a rookie.</p><p> </p><p> I also didnt like Miz getting Codebroken by Jericho, although this may be biased since I am a Miz fan and enjoyed his promo. It'd be worth it if Miz were to feud with Jericho but that looks like its not gonna happen. Wyatt/Jericho sounds like a very promising feud in terms of microphone work and Jericho is more than skilled enough to get a good match out of Bray so this is something that I want to see.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazorbeak Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 At this point they have to re-build Miz from the ground up. Absolutely nobody cared about him in that segment, and the crazy pop for the Wyatts showing up in the ring with Jericho really highlighted just how far from relevance Miz is right now. I still think he has the potential to be a great midcard heel, but his babyface run the last year or two has just been an unmitigated disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKOwnage Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <p>I've gotta say, I loved RAW last night. The opening segment with Cena and HHH was actually pretty good. Swagger/Rusev was awesome, I'm surprised to see both guys pretty over. Although I'm not sure if Rusev just has X-Pac heat/it's still mostly just Lana, but I actually like him a lot, thought his match with Big E was good last night.</p><p> </p><p> Cesaro for IC Champ.</p><p> </p><p> Surprised Steph didn't fire Sandow for impersonating McMahon. That would've been a fitting way to get rid of him, since he's obviously going nowhere besides the crater left by 3MB. :/</p><p> </p><p> Wyatts/Jericho is cool. AJ beating Paige was cool, I guess. Hopefully Paige makes a full heel turn.</p><p> </p><p> Also, Ambrose is now my favorite along with Bo Dallas. Ambrose has been handled <em>perfectly</em> so far.</p><p> </p><p> It really, really sucks about Barrett though.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mootinie Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dpoolez" data-cite="dpoolez" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="25169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>Having Paige lose like that just makes her look like a rookie.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I think that was probably their intention.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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